"Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??

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Marymog

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That is completely FALSE. Life begins at conception, and that is exactly what the Bible reveals.
Hmmmm....Please show me in scripture where it says life begins at conception. I can't find it.

I have given my scripture proof that life begins when we take our first breath...."breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being." "The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

The Holy Spirit guides me when I read scripture. Who guides you??

Mary
 

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Why are most abortions performed? Let's face it, we know why. It is to get out of the responsibility for another human being. Whatever the motive... fear... laziness... desire not to be tied down... whatever, the intent is the same. We deliberately want to stop that specific child from being born into this world. We want to stop the creation of a life that will affect our own life.

It makes no difference how many hairs we try to split about whether or not we "technically" murdered that life God was building inside, because of a particular timetable we either did, or didn't violate. The fact remains that God intended for a new life to be created, and we intercepted the fulfillment of His plan for that spirit.

We terminated the birth. Period! And we really need to be even more thankful to Jesus that He terminated His own life so that we would not have to answer for doing that
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Hmmmm....Please show me in scripture where it says life begins at conception. I can't find it.
As I said before, we never find the things we are NOT looking for, and that's why you could not find it.

On the other hand we can take just one example from Scripture to prove that you are totally off base.

And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren...And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost ... For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. (Luke 1:36,41,44)

SOME CRITICAL QUESTIONS
1. Was John still in Elisabeth's womb at 6 months after conception? Absolutely

2. Was John able to respond to Mary's salutation? Absolutely

3. Did that establish that life began at conception, and that an unborn baby could actually respond to an external stimulus? Absolutely.

So now it is time for Marymog to repent in sackcloth and ashes!
 
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I can't agree with that final assessment, Enoch. Yes, it is time to end the rationalizations and face up to painful truths. But God does not want a display of groveling. (Sackcloth??? Good grief!) I think what He desires is a thankful heart that no matter what EACH ONE OF US HAS DONE (and we ALL have a ton of baggage), we NOW have Jesus to hold us in His arms as we cry.
 

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As I said before, we never find the things we are NOT looking for, and that's why you could not find it.

On the other hand we can take just one example from Scripture to prove that you are totally off base.

And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren...And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost ... For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. (Luke 1:36,41,44)

SOME CRITICAL QUESTIONS
1. Was John still in Elisabeth's womb at 6 months after conception? Absolutely

2. Was John able to respond to Mary's salutation? Absolutely

3. Did that establish that life began at conception, and that an unborn baby could actually respond to an external stimulus? Absolutely.

So now it is time for Marymog to repent in sackcloth and ashes!
You are talking about a baby moving in the womb. Muscles being moved.

I am talking about life; when the soul enters the body. (God) breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being." "The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

Can you not see how you are totally off base???

Who gave you authority over me to suggest I have to repent??? Repent for what??? Because I don't accept YOUR INTERPETATION of Scripture?What happens to me if I don't repent???


The Holy Spirit guides me when I read scripture. Who guides you??

Mary
 

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A Lebanese Catholic wrote these words in a poem he penned. These words helped guide me to God.

Then one of the judges of the city stood forth and said, “Speak to us of Crime and Punishment.”
And he answered saying:

It is when your spirit goes wandering upon the wind,
That you, alone and unguarded, commit a wrong unto others and therefore unto yourself.
And for that wrong committed must you knock and wait a while unheeded at the gate of the blessed.

Like the ocean is your god-self;
It remains for ever undefiled.
And like the ether it lifts but the winged.
Even like the sun is your god-self;
It knows not the ways of the mole nor seeks it the holes of the serpent.

But your god-self does not dwell alone in your being.
Much in you is still man, and much in you is not yet man,
But a shapeless pygmy that walks asleep in the mist searching for its own awakening.

And of the man in you would I now speak.
For it is he and not your god-self nor the pygmy in the mist, that knows crime and the punishment of crime.

Oftentimes have I heard you speak of one who commits a wrong as though he were not one of you, but a stranger unto you and an intruder upon your world.
But I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you,

So the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.
And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree,
So the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all.
Like a procession you walk together towards your god-self.
You are the way and the wayfarers.

And when one of you falls down he falls for those behind him, a caution against the stumbling stone.
Ay, and he falls for those ahead of him, who though faster and surer of foot, yet removed not the stumbling stone.
And this also, though the word lie heavy upon your hearts:
The murdered is not unaccountable for his own murder,
And the robbed is not blameless in being robbed.

The righteous is not innocent of the deeds of the wicked,
And the white-handed is not clean in the doings of the felon.
Yea, the guilty is oftentimes the victim of the injured,

And still more often the condemned is the burden-bearer for the guiltless and unblamed.
You cannot separate the just from the unjust and the good from the wicked;
For they stand together before the face of the sun even as the black thread and the white are woven together.

And when the black thread breaks, the weaver shall look into the whole cloth, and he shall examine the loom also.
If any of you would bring judgment the unfaithful wife,
Let him also weight the heart of her husband in scales, and measure his soul with measurements.
And let him who would lash the offender look unto the spirit of the offended.

And if any of you would punish in the name of righteousness and lay the axe unto the evil tree, let him see to its roots;
And verily he will find the roots of the good and the bad, the fruitful and the fruitless, all entwined together in the silent heart of the earth.

And you judges who would be just,
What judgment pronounce you upon him who though honest in the flesh yet is a thief in spirit?
What penalty lay you upon him who slays in the flesh yet is himself slain in the spirit?
And how prosecute you him who in action is a deceiver and an oppressor,
Yet who also is aggrieved and outraged?

And how shall you punish those whose remorse is already greater than their misdeeds?
Is not remorse the justice which is administered by that very law which you would fain serve?
Yet you cannot lay remorse upon the innocent nor lift it from the heart of the guilty.
Unbidden shall it call in the night, that men may wake and gaze upon themselves.

And you who would understand justice, how shall you unless you look upon all deeds in the fullness of light?
Only then shall you know that the erect and the fallen are but one man standing in twilight between the night of his pygmy-self and the day of his god-self,
And that the corner-stone of the temple is not higher than the lowest stone in its foundation.
 

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Thank you Chris. Lovely story and very graceful of you. From your response I can't tell if you believe abortion is a sin or not a sin?

It seems to me you are suggesting that God will judge Marymog harshly when I stand before Him since you talk about being responsible and accountable and ultimately judgment. I feel like you are suggesting (judging me) that I am not being responsible and I will be held accountable on judgment day for my irresponsible decision. Is that what you are suggesting?

As I have shown you from scripture life doesn't begin until one takes their first breath. One can only be deprived of life AFTER they have taken their first breath. Then it is called murder.

God has already made the decision. It is in scripture. Life doesn't begin until we take our first breath.

Mary
Hello Mary,

If we continue to discuss abortion, we will derail the subject of the thread, which is,' "Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??'. I thought the subject of abortion was only raised as an example of a subject which can create strong feelings within those who discuss it, and can unfortunately result in personal abuse and slanderous accusation. Another such subject is that of 'Hell and eternal conscious punishment'.

* Perhaps at another time in another thread.

With love in Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 

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Hello Mary,

If we continue to discuss abortion, we will derail the subject of the thread, which is,' "Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??'. I thought the subject of abortion was only raised as an example of a subject which can create strong feelings within those who discuss it, and can unfortunately result in personal abuse and slanderous accusation. Another such subject is that of 'Hell and eternal conscious punishment'.

* Perhaps at another time in another thread.

With love in Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
Thank you Chris.

You could join me on this thread: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/abortion.26449/

I look forward to your response.

Love, Mary
 

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Hello Mary,

If we continue to discuss abortion, we will derail the subject of the thread, which is,' "Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??'. I thought the subject of abortion was only raised as an example of a subject which can create strong feelings within those who discuss it, and can unfortunately result in personal abuse and slanderous accusation. Another such subject is that of 'Hell and eternal conscious punishment'.

* Perhaps at another time in another thread.

With love in Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

I wouldn't waste my time with Marymog. She says she is always eager and awaits your response, yet she does nothing. She expects you to provide all the information and she just provides her rant.

For what it is worth.

Stranger
 
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I wouldn't waste my time with Marymog. She says she is always eager and awaits your response, yet she does nothing. She expects you to provide all the information and she just provides her rant.

For what it is worth.

Stranger

Lol
It doesnt surprise me that you know her tactics
Birds of a feather...
 

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I don't mind if I "waste my time" with all sorts of people. Sometimes I don't understand it, but it seems God feels we are all worth a little extra effort.
 
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You are talking about a baby moving in the womb. Muscles being moved.
No God is presenting to us A CONSCIOUS RESPONSE by an unborn baby and you are choosing to ignore that to support your nonsensical position, and then distorting the truth by talking about *muscles*. Shame on you.
 

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No God is presenting to us A CONSCIOUS RESPONSE by an unborn baby and you are choosing to ignore that to support your nonsensical position, and then distorting the truth by talking about *muscles*. Shame on you.
Her position is not "nonsensical". It is protective, and makes all the sense in the world if we try to look through Jesus' eyes.
 

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Anyone that does not understand the word "attack" is far beyond my help!!

If a Methodist hold a Mass and you say that they are being Catholics, and they consider that as slander and thus a personal attack.. is it?

If believers preach a receiving of the Holy Ghost by the evidence of tongues while others preach a receiving of the Holy Ghost by the evidence of confusion... is it really slander to say that modern day tongue speakers are the same as those who seek the Holy Spirit by signs of confusion?

How can tongues without interpretation and thus assumed for private use cannot be seen as the same as those other evidence of confusion when they are both gained by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation?
 

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Her position is not "nonsensical". It is protective, and makes all the sense in the world if we try to look trough Jesus' eyes.
If we wish to look through the eyes of Jesus -- who is God -- then there can be no question whatsoever that the body, soul, and spirit come into existence at conception. We could delve into many Scriptures but one should suffice.

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. (Luke 1:15)

In order for John the Baptist to be filled with the Holy Ghost "even from his mother's womb" would mean that his soul and spirit were very much alive from conception. The PERSON of John the Baptist came into existence at conception, NOT when he took his first breath outside the womb.

That fallacy is an abortionist's fallacy which has been repeated over and over again, and as propagandists will tell you, if you repeat a lie over and over again, it finally comes to be accepted as the truth.
 

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If we wish to look through the eyes of Jesus -- who is God -- then there can be no question whatsoever that the body, soul, and spirit come into existence at conception. We could delve into many Scriptures but one should suffice.

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. (Luke 1:15)

In order for John the Baptist to be filled with the Holy Ghost "even from his mother's womb" would mean that his soul and spirit were very much alive from conception. The PERSON of John the Baptist came into existence at conception, NOT when he took his first breath outside the womb.

That fallacy is an abortionist's fallacy which has been repeated over and over again, and as propagandists will tell you, if you repeat a lie over and over again, it finally comes to be accepted as the truth.
Not surprisingly, you probably have no idea what I was talking about. It isn't what she said, it's what she didn't say.
 
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