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Talking about 'hate Israel', is rubbish.
None here 'hates' those people who live in the State of Israel. I,for one admire them for their incredible work of making their Land productive and their military prowess.

But we also read what the prophets say about them and what the Lord has planned for that area of the world, His holy Land.
A dramatic change is about to come upon all the world, a reset of civilization of a similar magnitude to Noah's Flood.
Be ready and prepared physically and spiritually!
 
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Id would choose your friends wisely

Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

They are Gods chosen people and He wont change His mind for any of you.
 

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It is hard to believe that there are Christians who don't seem to know where Israel is today.

Here, I will give you a tiny hint:

You do not bear the root...the root bears you..
If God was to break His promises just because of mans disobedience than none would be saved. Some seem to think that God is a man that changes His mind, or a liar that wont keep His promises, it is amazing to think even so it is today.

Go argue with God if you are foolish enough to do so, You wont win.

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

It is Gods plan, He wont change it for you.
 

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What we are saying and what some people don't understand, is that the true, righteous Israelites are Christian believers. Sadly, only a very small proportion of Jews are Christian.

Remember how ancient Israel separated into 2 Kingdoms? Then the Northern Kingdom was exiled by Assyria and 135 years later, Judah too was exiled.
Judah came back from Babylon and they were in the Land until 70 AD, then in 1948 they re-established their nation, wrongly calling it Israel instead of Judah.
But the Northern ten tribes remain scattered among the nations to this day. It is them who have become the main group of Christians and have spread the Gospel to the nations.
Christians are the 'nation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 21:43 are the 'lost sheep' in Matthew 15:24

Soon after the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun, the great rejoining of the House of Judah and the House of Israel will take place as described in Ezekiel 37. They will then move into all of the holy land, where the Lord promises to bless them with peace and prosperity. Isaiah 35:1-10
 

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Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

But I will believe God who said He will do and so it will be.
 

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Romans 11:25-32 is exactly what I believe too.
It is your false belief that the Jews are all Israel. Jesus and the Apostles made it clear that true Israelites are believers in God and Jesus. This actually cuts out most Jews, Isaiah 22:14 ...assuredly your wickedness will never be wiped out, you will die for your sins. Luke 19:27
 
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heretoeternity said:
Before you get all gushy over the nation of Israel...yes true Jews are the apple of God's eye..but let's not forget John 14.6 Jesus says No man comes to the Father but by Him...so if Jews do not embrace Jesus as their Messiah and Saviour, then what?
Jesus called the Pharisees and religious authorities "snakes" and on numerous occasions dumped all over them..why?..could it be they were "talmud" following Jews? These are the Jews that hate all gentiles (non Jews) and denigrate and blaspheme Jesus our Lord and Saviour in the most profane manner in their talmud book teachings. Read it for youself while it is still on line..just search Talmud..and see for yourself..so one must be careful not to get caught up in this Jewish thing...before 1948, there were Jewish people farming along side all other Arab peoples and they got along wonderfully...these are real Biblical Jews, and they had no( problems with others..(the Bible refers to the whole area of Israel, etc as Palestine)...but who actually flood back to Palestine in 1948...study up on Khazarian Jews from eastern Europe...these are not real Jews but control Israel today...Anyway research it for yourselves...
Shalom, heretoeternity.

Robert Michaels said:
Before you get all gushy over the nation of Israel...yes true Jews are the apple of God's eye..but let's not forget John 14.6 Jesus says No man comes to the Father but by Him...so if Jews do not embrace Jesus as their Messiah and Saviour, then what?
Jesus called the Pharisees and religious authorities "snakes" and on numerous occasions dumped all over them..why?..could it be they were "talmud" following Jews? These are the Jews that hate all gentiles (non Jews) and denigrate and blaspheme Jesus our Lord and Saviour in the most profane manner in their talmud book teachings. Read it for yourself while it is still on line..just search Talmud..and see for yourself..so one must be careful not to get caught up in this Jewish thing...before 1948, there were Jewish people farming along side all other Arab peoples and they got along wonderfully...these are real Biblical Jews, and they had no( problems with others..(the Bible refers to the whole area of Israel, etc as Palestine)...but who actually flood back to Palestine in 1948...study up on Khazarian Jews from eastern Europe...these are not real Jews but control Israel today...Anyway research it for yourselves...

[SIZE=10pt]I concur with this sensible comment, and want to back it up with this comment: " [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]I never read in the Bible anywhere that we are supposed to worship ‘the Father, Son and holy Israel’ – have you? And yet this seems to be the attitude of at least some Christian leaders up till this day – the adoration of all that is Jewish is obviously a major point with many of them, and if you don’t keep on going along with it, well you must be a back-slider, and have to be avoided – since you don’t give so much honour to “God’s chosen people” (by which thinking they are also putting themselves down) - ..." See more here: [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]http://why-do-you-call-yourself-a-truth-seeker.bravesites.com
Shalom, Robert Michaels and heretoeternity.

There are far more Jews who believe in Yeshua` than you might realize. Messianic Jews have been growing world-wide. Check out the Paul Wilbur concert events!
 
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Evangelicals are the strongest supporters of Israel, so it is particularly disturbing when a group from within their midst aligns with the Palestinians – even going so far as to support acts of violence against Jews while accusing Israel of violent crimes. Yesterday, while the conference was at its peak, five terror attacks were perpetrated against Israelis.
This was precisely what happened this week at the fourth biennial Christ at the Checkpoint Conference in Bethlehem, in which over 300 attendees gathered from all over the world in an Evangelical-led hate-fest against Israel and the Jews.
The organization’s website states the purpose of the four-day gathering is to “challenge Evangelicals to take responsibility to help resolve the conflicts in Israel/Palestine by engaging with the teaching of Jesus on the Kingdom of God”. This claim is deceptive since there were no representatives of Israel to engage in dialogue. Israeli Messianic leaders were also notably absent. However, the conference was attended by Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders, who were free to make spurious charges against Israel unopposed.
The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) reported some of the more ridiculous claims made at the conference. Hanna Amira, chairman of the Higher Presidential Committee for Christian Affairs for the PA, accused the IDF and settlers of killing Palestinians, “in particular, the children and the young and the women,” while at the same time the Palestinians are “giving a historic example of coexistence and the rejection of violence and hatred.”
And Christian groups support the abolishment of Jewish Israel is deeply troubling. The modern Zionist movement emerged in response to 19th-century anti-Semitic pogroms often caused by the anti-Jewish incitement of Christian clergy. Israel was subsequently established in the immediate aftermath of the Holocaust, the road to which was pave by centuries of anti-Semitic Christian teachings.

Following the Holocaust, a number of the world’s leading Christian theologians began a comprehensive reconsideration of Christianity’s attitudes toward Jews and Judaism. They undertook a process of renouncing and reformulating centuries of Christian teachings that led to anti-Jewish violence over the centuries.

Yet in the last two decades, some churches have partnered with anti-Israel activists to reverse these theological reforms, by introducing a “Palestinian liberation theology”—a fusion of Palestinian nationalism and Christian theology. This ideology seeks to undermine Jewish claims, religious or historical, to sovereignty in any and all parts of the Land of Israel.
These are very sick people calling themselves Christians.

The word Holocaust is not true in this case, it's truly called Genocide in fact.

Holocaust means a burnt offering and such is only used by Satanist, why ? because to say that the Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis and their Talmud Zionist mates who controlled the whole thing and that the Nazis were only dupes to a game at play, that wiped out 60 million goyim.
So 60 million people killed could be seen as Genocide as well, but it's not to most, but when one knows how the game was played out, well yes it was in fact Genocide of 60 million Goyim.

As for the Jews 6 million were killed in Genocide as well but to say it was a Holocaust that in fact means that God was the author of such ? and that's a fact !

So that's where I have to draw the line and point out that it was just a cunning man made satanic work of art by non other than Talmud Zionist Satanist who were killing the real Jewish people who opposed the Satanic Zionist Socialist who were in bed with the Nazi Socialist leadership.

All Socialist are Satanist ! and are of a mans works madness ego trip that thumbs it's nose at God and they always have other gods that must be idolised, like the Political Correctness god that must be obeyed at all cost or vengeance and furry will come down on all who do not fall into line, this PC game play was first use in Russia to bring in Communism about and the second use of PC game play was use in Nazi Germany, it works a treat in destroying freedom of speech, it's a work in progress of kicking others around and undermining all who stand up to them, with a team of spin doctors who work a treat in fooling the simple masses. we are under Mk 3 of political Correctness game plays nowadays with the same bunch of Satanist working to brainwash simple minded who do not comprehend the working of Satan let alone know the meaning of the word.

In fact nothing is truly correct about political, so how can you have the term Political Correct ? and when one looks into the depth of this deception, we see that it's just a Titchy witchy idol that works to rot ones brains out with just nonsense.

Anyone who looks to anything other than Jesus Christ is a Satanist working to lead the whole world astray, not to mention such are going to Hell, but then again Satanist do not believe in hell do they, so of cause they persist in there cunning works trying to turn the whole of Christianity up side down in everyway that they can and that's what is going on here with all this Talmud Zionist Idolising we see nowadays, it's just pathetic to see fools turn away from Christ to idolise filthy Anti-Christ bastards who openly hate our Jesus Christ.
Anyone who looks up to the Talmud Whore is going to Hell and such idiots never knew Jesus Christ, that's for sure.
 

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Evangelicals are the strongest supporters of Israel, so it is particularly disturbing when a group from within their midst aligns with the Palestinians – even going so far as to support acts of violence against Jews while accusing Israel of violent crimes. Yesterday, while the conference was at its peak, five terror attacks were perpetrated against Israelis.
This was precisely what happened this week at the fourth biennial Christ at the Checkpoint Conference in Bethlehem, in which over 300 attendees gathered from all over the world in an Evangelical-led hate-fest against Israel and the Jews.
The organization’s website states the purpose of the four-day gathering is to “challenge Evangelicals to take responsibility to help resolve the conflicts in Israel/Palestine by engaging with the teaching of Jesus on the Kingdom of God”. This claim is deceptive since there were no representatives of Israel to engage in dialogue. Israeli Messianic leaders were also notably absent. However, the conference was attended by Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders, who were free to make spurious charges against Israel unopposed.
The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) reported some of the more ridiculous claims made at the conference. Hanna Amira, chairman of the Higher Presidential Committee for Christian Affairs for the PA, accused the IDF and settlers of killing Palestinians, “in particular, the children and the young and the women,” while at the same time the Palestinians are “giving a historic example of coexistence and the rejection of violence and hatred.”
And Christian groups support the abolishment of Jewish Israel is deeply troubling. The modern Zionist movement emerged in response to 19th-century anti-Semitic pogroms often caused by the anti-Jewish incitement of Christian clergy. Israel was subsequently established in the immediate aftermath of the Holocaust, the road to which was pave by centuries of anti-Semitic Christian teachings.

Following the Holocaust, a number of the world’s leading Christian theologians began a comprehensive reconsideration of Christianity’s attitudes toward Jews and Judaism. They undertook a process of renouncing and reformulating centuries of Christian teachings that led to anti-Jewish violence over the centuries.

Yet in the last two decades, some churches have partnered with anti-Israel activists to reverse these theological reforms, by introducing a “Palestinian liberation theology”—a fusion of Palestinian nationalism and Christian theology. This ideology seeks to undermine Jewish claims, religious or historical, to sovereignty in any and all parts of the Land of Israel.
These are very sick people calling themselves Christians.


Is it possible to have compassion for people who suffer (as human beings) without hating they who make them suffer? It is obvious that the Palestinian authority is responsible for much of the suffering of oit's own people. But there is also the heavy handed responses of the Israeli government that retaliates on a very large scale so as to endanger the innocent.

But the innocent will always be the victims.

So then compassion on these in the face of violence on both sides, I think, is reasonable.
 
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And Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. So, the prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are “spiritualized” or “allegorized” into promises of God's blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God, and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1900 years?
The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is completely different and distinct from Israel, and the two are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings are valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God's program during these past 2000 years of dispersion.
After the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), God will restore Israel as the primary focus of His plan. The first event at this time is the tribulation (Revelation chapters 6-19). The world will be judged for rejecting Christ, while Israel is prepared through the trials of the great tribulation for the second coming of the Messiah. Then, when Christ does return to the earth, at the end of the tribulation, Israel will be ready to receive Him. The remnant of Israel which survives the tribulation will be saved, and the Lord will establish His kingdom on this earth with Jerusalem as its capital. With Christ reigning as King, Israel will be the leading nation, and representatives from all nations will come to Jerusalem to honor and worship the King—Jesus Christ. The church will return with Christ and will reign with Him for a literal thousand years (Revelation 20:1-5).


This idea of "replacement theology" is propaganda. Unless one sees Jesus as a "self-hating Jew" as Zionists put it.

But this is all based on a false labeling of things.

1: Modern "Israel" is not Israel...that is a misnomer meant to garner sympathy for a political cause. It should be called Judea as in the time before the Roman destruction. Jesus did not live in Israel. Jesus lived in Galilee and visited Judea. There was no place called Israel in the time of Jesus. Many Christians are ignorant of this and let propagandists re-interpret history for their own political agenda.

2. Jesus rejected the nation called Israel in favour of a spiritual Israel which is by the Holy Spirit. All have been rendered sinners and failed so that all are now admissible to the kingdom of God...first the Jew and then the Nations. How can one compare that which is natural with that which is spiritual? First comes the natural (Israel) THEN come the spiritual (Israel)

1 Cor. 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

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The kingdom of God is not against anyone...but is accessible to all...first the Jew but also the nations. To see that as anti-Semitic is to fail only to glorify the flesh. But henceforth we are not to know anyone according to the flesh. So our eyes are blind as to whether a person is Jewish or Gentile. All are the same in Christ. SO then the human Zionist agenda is futile and something that stands against the unity of the Spirit. Zionists are racist against anyone who isn't them....as all racists are.
 

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This idea of "replacement theology" is propaganda. Unless one sees Jesus as a "self-hating Jew" as Zionists put it.

But this is all based on a false labeling of things.

1: Modern "Israel" is not Israel...that is a misnomer meant to garner sympathy for a political cause. It should be called Judea as in the time before the Roman destruction. Jesus did not live in Israel. Jesus lived in Galilee and visited Judea. There was no place called Israel in the time of Jesus. Many Christians are ignorant of this and let propagandists re-interpret history for their own political agenda.

2. Jesus rejected the nation called Israel in favour of a spiritual Israel which is by the Holy Spirit. All have been rendered sinners and failed so that all are now admissible to the kingdom of God...first the Jew and then the Nations. How can one compare that which is natural with that which is spiritual? First comes the natural (Israel) THEN come the spiritual (Israel)

1 Cor. 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

3.
The kingdom of God is not against anyone...but is accessible to all...first the Jew but also the nations. To see that as anti-Semitic is to fail only to glorify the flesh. But henceforth we are not to know anyone according to the flesh. So our eyes are blind as to whether a person is Jewish or Gentile. All are the same in Christ. SO then the human Zionist agenda is futile and something that stands against the unity of the Spirit. Zionists are racist against anyone who isn't them....as all racists are.

fwiwThe words in this post are very familiar to me because of my circle of brothers who say the same thing almost verbatim. Thanks.

Lord Jehovah, my heart is not lifted up neither are my eyes lifted up, neither have I walked in a pretense of things greater than I. But my soul is humbled like one weaned of his mother, and my soul is like one weaned of me. Let Israel hope in Lord Jehovah from now and unto eternity. Ps131:1-3
 
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God's Israel has not been 'replaced' by....it is part and parcel of what God's Church IS. Made One in Him.

Much I do not understand, or have any firm opinion on.
It does seem that God because of His close *'friendship' with Abraham and David...still has His eye on natural Israel.

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"Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?"
2 Chronicles 20:7, KJV

"But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend."
Isaiah 41:8, KJV

"And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
James 2:23, KJV
 

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This idea of "replacement theology" is propaganda. Unless one sees Jesus as a "self-hating Jew" as Zionists put it.

But this is all based on a false labeling of things.

1: Modern "Israel" is not Israel...that is a misnomer meant to garner sympathy for a political cause. It should be called Judea as in the time before the Roman destruction. Jesus did not live in Israel. Jesus lived in Galilee and visited Judea. There was no place called Israel in the time of Jesus. Many Christians are ignorant of this and let propagandists re-interpret history for their own political agenda.

2. Jesus rejected the nation called Israel in favour of a spiritual Israel which is by the Holy Spirit. All have been rendered sinners and failed so that all are now admissible to the kingdom of God...first the Jew and then the Nations. How can one compare that which is natural with that which is spiritual? First comes the natural (Israel) THEN come the spiritual (Israel)

1 Cor. 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

3.
The kingdom of God is not against anyone...but is accessible to all...first the Jew but also the nations. To see that as anti-Semitic is to fail only to glorify the flesh. But henceforth we are not to know anyone according to the flesh. So our eyes are blind as to whether a person is Jewish or Gentile. All are the same in Christ. SO then the human Zionist agenda is futile and something that stands against the unity of the Spirit. Zionists are racist against anyone who isn't them....as all racists are.

Concerning your point #1, God is not just interested in 'Judea'. He is interested in Israel. For you to think and teach otherwise is to teach some sort of revisionist history.

Concerning your point #2, where do you get this idea of 'first the Jew and then the nations'? (1 Cor. 15:46) says nothing of a 'spiritual Israel'.

Concerning your point #3, just because we know no man after the flesh, doesn't mean God sees no distinction between Israel and the Church. It doesn't mean we are blind to the distinctions God has made.

It is God who chose the Jews, Who chose Israel. If you want to label one a racist, label Him a racist. And since God made the races, and is racist, why should I be afraid to be called a racist?

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"keras, post: 276780, member: 6200"]What we are saying and what some people don't understand, is that the true, righteous Israelites are Christian believers. Sadly, only a very small proportion of Jews are Christian.

Remember how ancient Israel separated into 2 Kingdoms? Then the Northern Kingdom was exiled by Assyria and 135 years later, Judah too was exiled.
Judah came back from Babylon and they were in the Land until 70 AD, then in 1948 they re-established their nation, wrongly calling it Israel instead of Judah.
But the Northern ten tribes remain scattered among the nations to this day. It is them who have become the main group of Christians and have spread the Gospel to the nations.
Christians are the 'nation' referred to by Jesus in Matthew 21:43 are the 'lost sheep' in Matthew 15:24

Agreed.

Soon after the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun, the great rejoining of the House of Judah and the House of Israel will take place as described in Ezekiel 37. They will then move into all of the holy land, where the Lord promises to bless them with peace and prosperity. Isaiah 35:1-10


The day of Jezreel. But we could say that this has happened in that both houses of Israel have become one...in Christ. Maybe we don't see the fulness of this. But it isn't because the grace isn't there to do so. It takes awhile for humanity to catch up with God's provisions.
 
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It is God who chose the Jews, Who chose Israel. If you want to label one a racist, label Him a racist. And since God made the races, and is racist, why should I be afraid to be called a racist?

Yes God chose the Jews and then for some uinknown reason God changed His Mind, now you tell me why?

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:9 KJV) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

(Deu 7:11 KJV) Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Ezekiel

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.

9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the LORD; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.

17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said it.

20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

Stranger, please tell me why God chose them and then rejected them and last but not least, what comes next?
 

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Yes God chose the Jews and then for vsome uinknown reason God cfhanged His Mind, now you tell me why?
(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:9 KJV) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

(Deu 7:11 KJV) Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Ezekiel

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.

9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the LORD; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:

12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.

17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said it.

20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

Stranger, please tell me why God chose them and then rejected them and last but not least, what comes next?

God always deals with the present situation. Whether it be of faith, or unbelief. That does not, however, influence God as to His overall purpose.

God chose them, as Scripture declares. And what a 'racist' was He. God rejected them as they rejected Him. But God would not reject them completely. Thus He always said He would not make a full end of Israel. He would establish her. Thus, what comes next is God being faithful to His promises and establishing Israel as the leading nation of the world.

Stranger
 
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Thus, what comes next is God being faithful to His promises and establishing Israel as the leading nation of the world.

I put scripture on the left page and on the right page I listed what Israel has done since its creation as a state. Then I asked myself, are they obeying His commandments or not-?
 
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God’s Chosen People

I have a personal attachment to the Old Testament and the verses contained therein. This includes the verses where the Lord talked directly to the Israelite people. In this one-way discussion the Lord laid out directives (commandments) for them to follow and the blessing they would get if they followed His suggestions. I took these directives and compared them to historical events and found them wanting. Personally, I would like to see the Israeli people change their ways by embracing the stranger (Palestinian) and treat them as one of their own, just as the Lord instructed them to do. I truly believe this “example” would create a wave of peace across the middle east.

In closing I want the Israeli’s to embrace the Palestinians as one of their own, dismantle the illegal settlements and change the name of their country from “Israel” to “Palestine”.

I believe God is now judging them for the last time. If they do not ask God for forgiveness and repent for their past deeds; then all will be lost.

I need your help either by helping me or by correcting my misguided view of them.

Any suggestions or comments is welcome whether pro or con.