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Jerusalem Junkie

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I Googled this and got lost in the garb so to speak. Can someone please enlighten me on this? Who wrote it? I understand that the 4th Commandment is not included in the New Covenant that allows the Sabbath to be honored as a day of rest and worship on any day of the week. This true? Thanks in advance for the help...
 

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I Googled this and got lost in the garb so to speak. Can someone please enlighten me on this? Who wrote it? I understand that the 4th Commandment is not included in the New Covenant that allows the Sabbath to be honored as a day of rest and worship on any day of the week. This true? Thanks in advance for the help...
I am not entirely sure what you are asking. However below is an extract from www.gotquestions.org in response to What is the New Covenant. I hope this helps. "'The day will come,' says the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah . . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people" (Jeremiah 31:31,33). Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and create a new covenant between God and His people. The old covenant was written in stone, but the new covenant is written on our hearts, made possible only by faith in Christ, who shed His own blood to atone for the sins of the world. Luke 22:20 says, "After supper, [Jesus] took another cup of wine and said, 'This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you – an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.'"Pasted from: http://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html
 

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Remember Two when ever it says Israel and Judah (thatat is todays Jews)that is christain and Jew(all 12 tribes) another words all can now be saved through belief in Christ and repentance through his death on the cross
 

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So basically what your saying is the New Covenant is a Christian deal? From research it looks as though G-d gave the New Covenant to strengthen the Mosaic one but the Mosiac Covenant has not been replaced neither in the Old Testament or the New One reason I say this the Ten Commandants are repeated through out the New Testament by the Apostles.
 

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I agree with that he didnt replace the old only ex-paned it opened to allI see in this verse : But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God. Israel here being spiritual or all inclusive the law didnt change just how it is written or perceived by one, that is through Christ rather than on tablets or taught in the synagogues thats the way I see it anyway I am totally opposed to any kind of replacement theology
 

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So basically what your saying is the New Covenant is a Christian deal? From research it looks as though G-d gave the New Covenant to strengthen the Mosaic one but the Mosiac Covenant has not been replaced neither in the Old Testament or the New One reason I say this the Ten Commandants are repeated through out the New Testament by the Apostles.
The covenant given to Moses and the people of Israel required obedience to the Old Testament Mosaic law. Because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), the law required that people perform rituals and sacrifices in order to atone for their sins. God gave his people this covenant as a foreshadow of the one that was to come. The sacrifices the people of Israel made had to be made over and over again, because the sacrifice of the animals was not sufficient to make atonement for all people for all time. The system was only meant to be a reflection of that which was to come.The prophet Jeremiah predicted that there would be a time when God would make a new covenant with the nation of Israel."'The day will come,' says the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah . . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people" (Jeremiah 31:31,33). Jesus Christ came to fulfil the law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and create a new covenant between God and His people. In Luke 4 beginning at verse 16 we read of Jesus going into the synagogue in Nazareth at the beginning of his ministry and reads from the scroll of Isaiah:"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour." (Luke 4:18-19, compare with Isaiah 61:1,2)He then boldly claims "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." Luke 4:21Jesus is the Messiah spoken of by Isaiah. Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Jesus lived a life in total obedience to God. He never sinned. On the night before he died (Passover) Jesus shared the Passover meal with his disciples. Luke 22:20 says, "After supper, [Jesus] took another cup of wine and said, 'This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you – an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.'"On the cross he took the sins of all of us upon himself and died the death that was ours. While the animal sacrifices were insufficient and had to be made over and over again, the death Jesus died was 100% sufficient - once, for all. Through the blood of Jesus our sins are washed clean. The old covenant was written in stone, and was only a reflection of what was to come. In the Old Testament we read about only certain people having the Holy Spirit and only at certain times. But the new covenant is written on our hearts, made possible only by faith in Christ, who shed His own blood to atone for the sins of the world. Now that we are under the new covenant, we are not under the penalty of the law. We are now given the opportunity to receive salvation as a free gift, not as a reward for any of our good works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Through the life-giving Holy Spirit who lives in all believers all the time (Romans 8:9-11), we can now share in the inheritance of Christ and enjoy a permanent, unbroken relationship with God. Hebrews 9:15 declares, “For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.”
 

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There is a difference between Laws and statues ordinances Christ came not to change one dot of the law but to fulfil itMat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. It was never changed it was fulfiled in Christ and is as relevent today as yesterday
 

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I agree with that he didnt replace the old only ex-paned it opened to allI see in this verse : But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God. Israel here being spiritual or all inclusive the law didnt change just how it is written or perceived by one, that is through Christ rather than on tablets or taught in the synagogues thats the way I see it anyway I am totally opposed to any kind of replacement theology
Kriss:In your posts you refer to (Amo) is that a reference book, short for the book of Amos? or I guess what I am asking is where is it found?....Ray
 

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Kriss:In your posts you refer to (Amo) is that a reference book, short for the book of Amos? or I guess what I am asking is where is it found?....Ray
big D the amo is a short for Amos yes that is part of my signature is that what you were asking??
 

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Some key questions and answers from Scripture about the "New" covenant...1)Who is the new covenant given to and...2) does it do away with the Law as given thru Moses? Remember, we are talking about the new covenant that most in the Church claim as their own. Here goes…Hebrews 8:8 “Behold the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—“not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more” From Scripture we learn that 1)The “new covenant” is clearly given to Israel and only the two houses of Israel. 2) He calls them “My people” and 3) The law will still not be done away with in the New covenant! Also...if you notice it has not been implemented as of yet since we still have to teach people to "know the Lord. So...once again, we find it problematic to adhere to any form of replacement theology which does not recognize the “church” as part of the redeemed of Israel. And once again, Scripture teaches obedience to Moses...or Torah. Even in the “New” covenant! Notice, nowhere in Scripture do we ever find permission to come up with out own set of commandments.Since the Sabbath is part of the Torah...it is definately valid for all of Israel (followers of Messiah)today... and will be part of the New covenant when implemented. Hope this helps...God blessNewcolors
 

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I am not entirely sure what you are asking. However below is an extract from www.gotquestions.org in response to What is the New Covenant. I hope this helps. "'The day will come,' says the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah . . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people" (Jeremiah 31:31,33). Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and create a new covenant between God and His people. The old covenant was written in stone, but the new covenant is written on our hearts, made possible only by faith in Christ, who shed His own blood to atone for the sins of the world. Luke 22:20 says, "After supper, [Jesus] took another cup of wine and said, 'This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you – an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.'"Pasted from: http://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html
Perfect zadzial !! Well spoken . Your post encapsules the whole meaning of the new covenant. And so brief. This is refreshing !!Arnie m..
 

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We have to keep in mind that although Jesus (a Jew) and the first Christians (Jews) ushered in the new covenant some (Jews) remained in unbelief. Those in un-belief have not accepted the new covenant but God will still honor his "old one" with them. Thus the quote in Romans "All Israel will be saved" .When God makes a covenant with "Israel" he keeps it , whether old or new .All the promises (covenants) from the Old testament are found in Christ and are completely fulfilled on the last day.Arnie M..
 

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I always feel like I am going to offend someone when I say this...but again...it seems that according to Scripture...the New Covenant is not in full effect yet as we stilll have to teach people to "know the Lord". Also...when we are in the New Covenant everyone will be keeping the Torah...as it will have been written on our hearts. Today we still have Christians arguing over everything from the 4th Commandment to homosexuality. I would say we are still in rebelliion out here in the wilderness. We are definately not walking in the New Covenant in it's fullness. God will restore all things...but it has not happened yet.I agree with you Arnie...God will keep His covenant. The promise was that Abraham would become the father of many nations and that we would inherit the land of Israel. The plan has always been for God to "dwell" among His people here on earth. Most Christians think we are going to spend eternity in heaven...but that's another subject. I find it very interesting that in Scripture...Judah always goes first. Guess who is in the land today? Isn't it great to have a God who keeps His Word? NewcolorsNewcolors
 

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Newcolors;45162 said:
I always feel like I am going to offend someone when I say this...but again...it seems that according to Scripture...the New Covenant is not in full effect yet as we stilll have to teach people to "know the Lord". Also...when we are in the New Covenant everyone will be keeping the Torah...as it will have been written on our hearts. Today we still have Christians arguing over everything from the 4th Commandment to homosexuality. I would say we are still in rebelliion out here in the wilderness. We are definately not walking in the New Covenant in it's fullness. God will restore all things...but it has not happened yet.
That sure doesnt offend me because I think you are correct. I am just as guilty when it comes to having everything in Christ and then do nothing with it some times. Maybe it is because we are in the land of plenty in North America and have it too easy. (I think I am looking for excuses
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I agree with you Arnie...God will keep His covenant. The promise was that Abraham would become the father of many nations and that we would inherit the land of Israel. The plan has always been for God to "dwell" among His people here on earth. Most Christians think we are going to spend eternity in heaven...but that's another subject. I find it very interesting that in Scripture...Judah always goes first. Guess who is in the land today? Isn't it great to have a God who keeps His Word? Newcolors
There is another good example , I have been a Christian for 22 years and expect to "be in heaven with Jesus" , but you are right , we will be living with God down here when he makes everything new. It is hard to comprehend sometimes.I took a quick look in revelation 21 and it says the New Jerusalem will have 12 gates with the names of the 12 Tribes of Israel written on them . The 12 foundations will have the names of the 12 apostles on them. Neat. And who says Israel is not still in the plans...... looks like it to me.Best wishesArnie.
 

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'The day will come,' says the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah . . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the LordThis is the Key statement here you must first understand who is whomto get this verse Judah is always toady's Jews that is the tribes of Judah Benjamin, and some Levite priestsWere in the South part of Israel in the days after the Crucifixion. And are always called Judah (the name of the largest tribe) in prophecy they are as I said the Jews of today.The other 10 northern tribes went North over the Caucus Mt into Scotland and Ireland, Britain and eventually became the Christian nations of Today When ever God uses the term like this and Says Judah and Israel he is talking ALL Israel that is All 12 tribes that is Jew and ChristianSo what he is saying here is All 10 tribes (Christians)and 2 Jewish tribes (Judah) Are included so this is ALL CHRISTAINS AND ALL JEWS are included in this New Covenanthttp://www.christianityboard.com/judaha-sc...ight-t6118.htmlRemember when reading prophecy and scripture we must always rightly divide who is whom Judah= todays Jews,Israel =All 12 tribes (Jew & Christain)...................Jospeh=Ephraim & Mannash = Britan & US=Christain Nations =10 Tribes (called 10 lost tribes)These are the two sticks in Eze.37 that is the two branches of Jews and Christain God will reunite under Christ at his comingEze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
 

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I agree with some of what Kriss says. But I believe it is hard to say exactly where the northern kingdom went to and who exactly is Ephraim etc. Also...it does not matter as all are one in Messiah. That said...the prophecies of reuniting the two houses of Israel along with their companions will be fulfilled and Kriss makes a good point concerning prophecy. You must understand the history of Israel and it's division following the reign of Solomon to make sense of the prophets. I believe the second biggest obstacle to Jews not believing Jesus is the Messiah is that they expected Him to reunite the two houses into one when He came the first time. "Will you at this time restore the Kingdom of Israel" the disciples asked.Remember God's covenant with Abraham? A father of many nations? Wait until the world see how big Israel really is someday.Arniem...you bless my heart with your williness to search the Scriptures for truth. I wish all of us could play the Berean as you do.Newolors
 

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Actually we are told where the northern tribes went if you understand it it is quite difficult scripture in Eze. 17 I have translated some of the symbology but its still somewhat difficult as chapter 17 is a riddle and a parable and symbolismhttp://www.christianityboard.com/eze-17-tr...147.html?t=6147The link to the book I gave is also very good and the expert on this subject around here is Tim_from_PAthis is the story of the split inheritance Judah kept the scepter Joseph split the the birth right between Ephraim and Manasseh and yes this is fact not guess work When God uses the term Judah and Ephraim, manasseh. and or Judah and Israel (all 12 tribes) this is exactly what hes sayings
 

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I Googled this and got lost in the garb so to speak. Can someone please enlighten me on this? Who wrote it?
I do not see what it was you Googled. If you are lost in the garb, I would recommend seeking answers within the Scriptures rather than through endless websites and the multiplicity of the words of men.(Jerusalem Junkie)
I understand that the 4th Commandment is not included in the New Covenant that allows the Sabbath to be honored as a day of rest and worship on any day of the week.
I would highly suggest seeking such answers within the Scriptures than by the word of man.(Jerusalem Junkie)
This true?
Not that I have seen. As I recommended to you before, Jeremiah 6:16.(Jerusalem Junkie)
Thanks in advance for the help...
As for me and my house, we uphold it.
 

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Originally Posted by Jerusalem Junkie I understand that the 4th Commandment is not included in the New Covenant that allows the Sabbath to be honored as a day of rest and worship on any day of the week.Thats because Christ fulfilled it from the Christian perspective Christ is our rest (sabbath)theres nothing wrong with worshiping on the Sabbath but We are told not to base our worship on a day, or food, We are to rest in Christ everyday he is our Sabbath so its not that we do not follow it we just do not follow it as a Day Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: