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Concerning your point #1, God is not just interested in 'Judea'. He is interested in Israel. For you to think and teach otherwise is to teach some sort of revisionist history.

Concerning your point #2, where do you get this idea of 'first the Jew and then the nations'? (1 Cor. 15:46) says nothing of a 'spiritual Israel'.

Concerning your point #3, just because we know no man after the flesh, doesn't mean God sees no distinction between Israel and the Church. It doesn't mean we are blind to the distinctions God has made.

It is God who chose the Jews, Who chose Israel. If you want to label one a racist, label Him a racist. And since God made the races, and is racist, why should I be afraid to be called a racist?

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The first mention of Israel is when Jacob became Israel and Jacob did something to deserve the Name Israel, people should understand this fact.
So when God chose a people ? the people must be worthy to be of Gods people, just because one is related means zip to God, people were banished back in the days, so if they were kicked out they were out, same with when God vomited them out of the Land and brought Jesus Christ to establish Gods Kingdom with his only begotten Son Jesus as the Christ, the King of Israel, the servant of God with us, Emmanuel.

All people who reject God are not worthy regardless, only some people who are blinded as to Jesus, but are still worthy of Holy Moses that can be worthy of God in that respect and are not Satanic, but still miss led.
But then again many so called Christians are only as Jesus says as well, they do not know him and only do the works of man and I am old enough because I have seen the transition of that in the Churches, where what they are now saying would of once seen you kicked out of the Church on your ear, to that now having to be dictated over all in the Church, it's like a pack of Vampires controlling the Church under Political Correctness gods.
I see these little prissy grubs all the time barking mad dictating PC crap and offending Jesus Christ full on, that I nearly fall over backwards at there ignorance or straight out blasphemy.

All people are racist somewhat, but the word has been bastardised nowadays to be the same thing as racial prejudice, as to be racial prejudice means you do not know what you are talking about in just ignorance of the subject.
Just to know that other races are some what different makes one a racist nowadays under Political Correctness Socialist dictatorship, where they make all the rules that are Anti-Christ and Anti-God because they are liars and were liars from the beginning, just look around us nowadays with all the madness going on, abortion is hailed as a victory, Sodomy is hailed as a victory, permissiveness is championed, Marriage is bastardised and down trodden to become only a partnership of sorts, not to mention the values of Family is undermined.

All people are racist and all people are prejudice and all people are sinners to some degree, now if we say that we are not as such then we are fooling our selves and we have not God with us, Emmanuel, ok ? and this is were the little goody two shoes PC twerps come in claiming to be above all that and I here a stupid RCC Priest blurt out crap like YOU ARE ALL AWESOME ! and then say to say to the one sitting next to you to say the same to them, that they are awesome, I refused, the fact is we are not awesome at all and if we were awesome, we would not need Jesus Christ, so what this Devil was saying is Satanic !

Politically Correct people think that they are awesome because they are satanic bigots, they peddle that they are correct and that all must follow them, just like the Nazis did and the communist dupes did and do, into a madness or mans works and the fact is that they hate God and idolise man, it's the old look what we have done ego trip boasting, we are going to do this and that, stop bullying stop racism stop prejudice stop all the problems of the world, but sadly they don't have a clue truly in depth what they are talking about, it's all a utopia fantasy that will all only end in destruction. just look at any PC indoctrinated fool they are full of themselves and have a spac attack if you oppose them, such is an insult to them and such is not tolerated in there PC utopia and they will gang up on you and use malice at every turn. yes I know their works I know what they truly are. this type of degenerate has been seen before in history running loose promoting liars 24/7 like our media does, when do you see the media promoting Christian values or conducting themselves as to such not to mention who owns such ? Christians no, think again.
 

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I put scripture on the left page and on the right page I listed what Israel has done since its creation as a state. Then I asked myself, are they obeying His commandments or not-?

Yet you forget what God says concerning Israel. Or rather, you ignore what God says concerning Israel. As the old saying goes, blood is thicker than water.

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The first mention of Israel is when Jacob became Israel and Jacob did something to deserve the Name Israel, people should understand this fact.
So when God chose a people ? the people must be worthy to be of Gods people, just because one is related means zip to God, people were banished back in the days, so if they were kicked out they were out, same with when God vomited them out of the Land and brought Jesus Christ to establish Gods Kingdom with his only begotten Son Jesus as the Christ, the King of Israel, the servant of God with us, Emmanuel.

All people who reject God are not worthy regardless, only some people who are blinded as to Jesus, but are still worthy of Holy Moses that can be worthy of God in that respect and are not Satanic, but still miss led.
But then again many so called Christians are only as Jesus says as well, they do not know him and only do the works of man and I am old enough because I have seen the transition of that in the Churches, where what they are now saying would of once seen you kicked out of the Church on your ear, to that now having to be dictated over all in the Church, it's like a pack of Vampires controlling the Church under Political Correctness gods.
I see these little prissy grubs all the time barking mad dictating PC crap and offending Jesus Christ full on, that I nearly fall over backwards at there ignorance or straight out blasphemy.

All people are racist somewhat, but the word has been bastardised nowadays to be the same thing as racial prejudice, as to be racial prejudice means you do not know what you are talking about in just ignorance of the subject.
Just to know that other races are some what different makes one a racist nowadays under Political Correctness Socialist dictatorship, where they make all the rules that are Anti-Christ and Anti-God because they are liars and were liars from the beginning, just look around us nowadays with all the madness going on, abortion is hailed as a victory, Sodomy is hailed as a victory, permissiveness is championed, Marriage is bastardised and down trodden to become only a partnership of sorts, not to mention the values of Family is undermined.

All people are racist and all people are prejudice and all people are sinners to some degree, now if we say that we are not as such then we are fooling our selves and we have not God with us, Emmanuel, ok ? and this is were the little goody two shoes PC twerps come in claiming to be above all that and I here a stupid RCC Priest blurt out crap like YOU ARE ALL AWESOME ! and then say to say to the one sitting next to you to say the same to them, that they are awesome, I refused, the fact is we are not awesome at all and if we were awesome, we would not need Jesus Christ, so what this Devil was saying is Satanic !

Politically Correct people think that they are awesome because they are satanic bigots, they peddle that they are correct and that all must follow them, just like the Nazis did and the communist dupes did and do, into a madness or mans works and the fact is that they hate God and idolise man, it's the old look what we have done ego trip boasting, we are going to do this and that, stop bullying stop racism stop prejudice stop all the problems of the world, but sadly they don't have a clue truly in depth what they are talking about, it's all a utopia fantasy that will all only end in destruction. just look at any PC indoctrinated fool they are full of themselves and have a spac attack if you oppose them, such is an insult to them and such is not tolerated in there PC utopia and they will gang up on you and use malice at every turn. yes I know their works I know what they truly are. this type of degenerate has been seen before in history running loose promoting liars 24/7 like our media does, when do you see the media promoting Christian values or conducting themselves as to such not to mention who owns such ? Christians no, think again.

Nice speech. So what?

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Simply put you cannot be a born again, know Jesus for sure Christian and hate Israel. It's an oxymoron.

Everyone that claims Christianity as theirs cannot be believed. You will know them by their fruit.
 
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Yet you forget what God says concerning Israel. Or rather, you ignore what God says concerning Israel.

No the problem is not that I have forgotten; the problem is that I have not forgotten.

Please tell me what I have ignored concerning what God says concerning Israel. And I am not talking about the person, "Israel" but rather the country that calls themselves "Israel" today.

thanks in advance
 

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God’s Chosen People

I have a personal attachment to the Old Testament and the verses contained therein. This includes the verses where the Lord talked directly to the Israelite people. In this one-way discussion the Lord laid out directives (commandments) for them to follow and the blessing they would get if they followed His suggestions. I took these directives and compared them to historical events and found them wanting. Personally, I would like to see the Israeli people change their ways by embracing the stranger (Palestinian) and treat them as one of their own, just as the Lord instructed them to do. I truly believe this “example” would create a wave of peace across the middle east.

In closing I want the Israeli’s to embrace the Palestinians as one of their own, dismantle the illegal settlements and change the name of their country from “Israel” to “Palestine”.

I believe God is now judging them for the last time. If they do not ask God for forgiveness and repent for their past deeds; then all will be lost.

I need your help either by helping me or by correcting my misguided view of them.

Any suggestions or comments is welcome whether pro or con.
The problem is not with the true Jews who look to Holy Moses but it's all about the Satanic Talmud Zionist, they always treat people like crap in everything they do, they rip people off and they are cunning and underhanded in everything they do, I have dealt with their cunning in business many a time, all they want to do is use everyone, people mean noting to them and money and power is everything. I know people who are like this, it's all about them and what they can get.

I don't like the Arabs either, how can you like people who are like that, but I do understand the Arabs hatred of such people, because they are been buggered over time and time again.

Both have reaped what they have sown, only Jesus Christ is the answer to all there problems.

I remember the media sprouting back some years ago that the Arab and the Jews were starting to get on, remember that you all, I was saying at the time that it will not work and people were saying yes it will, look it's working and I was saying you media educated amateurs have no idea what you are talking about because you have no depth of knowledge on the subject at all that's worth a cracker, it's like talking to a 5yo.

The Jews can't fix anything and Islam can't fix anything, they are just morons as all they ever do is fight and are just totally destructive idiots and full on degenerates.

Fence them off and let them go for it, I don't want anything to do with them, I don't what them in my Country unless they give up all there crap, I have believed such for about 40 years now.

But now they have inflicted the west with their madness, there stupid deranged satanic idols have been picked up like a pox by the West, Islamist have so much money invested in the west as do the Jews, so we are Roo Ted, the Goyim is to dumb to understand money in depth, not to mention that they have not been educated in what such truly is in fact, the Jews and Islam have been working to own you all, not to mention every USA President was shot who tried to stop such Satanist control over you all. that's why they want to disarm USA because when the people wake up to how they have been diddled by such Satanist they are going to be some real anger for sure.

The Devil will come against you with great wrath I believe the Bible says, all who eat of that their tree will reap what they sowed.
 

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Simply put you cannot be a born again, know Jesus for sure Christian and hate Israel. It's an oxymoron.

Everyone that claims Christianity as theirs cannot be believed. You will know them by their fruit.
Israel ? Jesus is the King of Israel, that means that Christians are of Israel to be sure, if one claims a Anti-Christ to be Israel well that's just satanic.
Talmud Zionist Jews do not have the right to call the State Israel at all it's blasphemy and the true Jews who follow in Holy Moses know this to be a fact, they do not say it is Israel at all in fact and you know what they live in the State and many in New York say the same, but the media has worked to supress this for years. because the media is controlled by satanic Talmud Zionist claiming to be Jew.

I remember for years the media in Australia attacking Pope JP 2 about the State of Israel, making out that the Pope did not know what he was talking about, with some stupid atheist presenter pulling stupid faces thinking that they know it all. but the media would never let the full story out of the bag and let the RCC explain that for 2000 years the RCC has always claimed to be Israel.

Now if the Church never made such a claim it would be stupid would it not, seeing that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel ?
 

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God's Israel has not been 'replaced' by....it is part and parcel of what God's Church IS. Made One in Him.

Much I do not understand, or have any firm opinion on.
It does seem that God because of His close *'friendship' with Abraham and David...still has His eye on natural Israel.

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"Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?"
2 Chronicles 20:7, KJV

"But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend."
Isaiah 41:8, KJV

"And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
James 2:23, KJV

I agree. It does not have to be "one or the other". We know that Christ is both Abraham and David's true heir, and that therefore all who are "in him" are also the true heirs of the promise. However, this does not seem to dismiss God's promise to Israel.

..for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever. I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. - Genesis 13:15–16

We see that when God speaks of "your offspring" in the OT, he is always speaking in the plural, as in the verse above, and as instances like: "Your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs"...he is clearly speaking of the multitude of Israel here, when they were in Egypt. It's only when Paul, in Galatians 3:16, interprets "offspring" to mean a singular, Christ, do we start to wonder if God did not mean any of those promises to national Israel. But as we see all the way throughout the OT, our God is a God of foreshadowing and types. Why must he only promise a small parcel of land Christ, which he has not even claimed yet? Is it not possible that in the meantime, that promise is for Israel today? Paul gives us leave to believe it is. While in Rom 9 he defends election by explaining that regardless of ethnicity or ancestry, whoever comes to Christ are the 'true descendants of Abraham', he moves on in Rom 11 to say that there is a particular reason for National Israel being 'hardened' against Christ. And that reason is our, the Gentiles, salvation. And that when that is done, and our salvation has made the Jewish nation "jealous", then we shall see their "full inclusion".
What else can we surmise from this passage? Especially when we look at the fact that God does, indeed, seem to be bringing the Jewish nation back to that tiny plot of earth again. And how can we reject that it is God's work? What people retain their culture and ethnic heritage after being 'scattered' among the nations, not once, but twice, without assimilating the local culture? What people group has managed to come back to their land after so long? And what people have managed to become such a powerful, wealthy nation after only 70 years, despite all the odds and hatred against them?
 
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No the problem is not that I have forgotten; the problem is that I have not forgotten.

Please tell me what I have ignored concerning what God says concerning Israel. And I am not talking about the person, "Israel" but rather the country that calls themselves "Israel" today.

thanks in advance

(Jer. 30:11) "For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished."

See the whole chapter of (Lev. 26). It speaks of God's judgement upon Israel when she turns away from Him. Then in (26:44-45) He says, "And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD."

There are many such verses throughout the Bible.

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the Jews and Islam have been working to own you all, not to mention every USA President was shot who tried to stop such Satanist control over you all.

You speak in the third person, you are not a Jew and you are not an Islamists. And I seriously doubt that you are a Christian either. Having no religious faith of your own I have to ask, why are you here?

Just curious
 
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God always deals with the present situation. Whether it be of faith, or unbelief. That does not, however, influence God as to His overall purpose.

God chose them, as Scripture declares. And what a 'racist' was He. God rejected them as they rejected Him. But God would not reject them completely. Thus He always said He would not make a full end of Israel. He would establish her. Thus, what comes next is God being faithful to His promises and establishing Israel as the leading nation of the world.

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Yes! I Agree also, If God rejects His Covenant Promise to Israel! Well then any Promise to any other Nation is subject to rejection!
God's Covenant's are forever! How long is Forever??
 
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All through the Old Testament you will find many occasions where the Lord is talking directly to the Jewish people. In fact, they are the only people He talked too. In this one-way discussion He gives them guidelines to follow and tells them of the great rewards they will get “if” they comply with His commandments. In many verses you will find the phrase “I will” or “you will” and “If you” do this or that; “you will” get this or that in return.

Even as this marry-go-round seems endless, it is not. There is an ending and that ending is point bland in front of your eyes to see---

Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

That ending is finally near, near enough for all of you to see, to see in your lifetime; so buckle up, get your soda pop and popcorn now because the show is about to begin.
 

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All through the Old Testament you will find many occasions where the Lord is talking directly to the Jewish people. In fact, they are the only people He talked too. In this one-way discussion He gives them guidelines to follow and tells them of the great rewards they will get “if” they comply with His commandments. In many verses you will find the phrase “I will” or “you will” and “If you” do this or that; “you will” get this or that in return.

Even as this marry-go-round seems endless, it is not. There is an ending and that ending is point bland in front of your eyes to see---

Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

That ending is finally near, near enough for all of you to see, to see in your lifetime; so buckle up, get your soda pop and popcorn now because the show is about to begin.

You didn't pay enough attention to the verses I gave you in post #50. You should have.

Now you have found a verse you believe speaks to the end of the Jewish people. But you didn't. (Eze. 21:28-32) is talking about the Ammonites, not Israel.

Now, go back to post #50 and memorize (Jer. 30:11) and (Lev. 26:44-45). And when you think you come across verses that speak of the end of Israel, repeat those back to yourself.

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And when you think you come across verses that speak of the end of Israel, repeat those back to yourself.

ask and you shall receive-
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.'

*****THE END*****
 

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ask and you shall receive-
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.'

*****THE END*****

Just because you repeat it many times doesn't change what is written.

(Eze. 21:32) is speaking to the Ammonites. Not to Israel. See (Eze. 21:28)" And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:"

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Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.'

*****THE END*****
Repeting a verse over and over again to distract from the verse being used out of context is misleading and it's what false teachers do. Please stop. The fact that this passage clearly refers to the Ammonites makes it look like you are purposely decieving.
 

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Just because you repeat it many times doesn't change what is written.

(Eze. 21:32) is speaking to the Ammonites. Not to Israel. See (Eze. 21:28)" And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:"

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Thank You Stranger for setting things straight.
 

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Aren't we all from the seed of Adam and Eve and therefore we are all partakers of the Covenant God made with Israel? Abraham is the father of many nations....12 sons. 12 tribes. When God created confusion in Babylon and people could no longer communicate because they were given a different language and from there were dispersed throughout the whole earth.
The purpose of a chosen people is because there had to be some tribe chosen from which the Messiah would be in lineage of....and because the Israel people, who at the time of their captivity, sought God with great faith and their hope was in Him to deliver them out of bondage as it was prophesied probably set them apart as a "holy" people.
THis is IMHO....God Bless
 
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