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Many believe God no longer deals with Israel as His people. It is believed, they say, that the Church is now the Israel of God, the people of God.

Yet, if that be the case, why the book of Esther? If ever there was a book that showed God's faithfulness to Israel, it is the book of Esther. And that in light of Israel's disobedience and judgement.

For the book of Esther is not about the faith of the obedient Jews who returned in the book of Ezra and Nehemiah. It is about those who did not, who, for various reasons stayed in their land of captivity.

So to any who believe God has turned away from Israel, consider this book.

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What's to consider? The Bible is replete with the many times God tried to get Israel to return to Him by rescuing them like that. And they never would, for long.

It is not that God did any "turning away" from anyone. Israel just chose to disregard the covenant they had with Him.
 
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You ask: Why Esther? Consider who prepared the banquet? Several verses to consider; hopefully you will see footprints emerge.

King: God, the Father. The Son at His right hand.
Queen: The city(Spirit) from above: The mother of us all.

Esther 3:8-9,13
[8] And Haman said unto king Ahasuerus, There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the people in all the provinces of thy kingdom; and their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws: therefore it is not for the king's profit to suffer them.(how long must I suffer you?) [9] If it please the king, let it be written that they may be destroyed: and I will pay ten thousand talents of silver to the hands of those that have the charge of the business, to bring it into the king's treasuries.

13] And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.

Esther 4:2,4
[2] And came even before the king's gate: for none might enter into the king's gate clothed with sackcloth.

4] So Esther's maids and her chamberlains came and told it her. Then was the queen exceedingly grieved; and she sent raiment to clothe Mordecai, and to take away his sackcloth from him: but he received it not.

Esther 5:1,4,12-13
[1] Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther(that new Jerusalem, Spirit from above) put on her royal apparel , and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

4] And Esther answered, If it seem good unto the king, let the king and Haman come this day unto the banquet that I have prepared for him.

12] Haman said moreover, Yea, Esther the queen did let no man come in with the king unto the banquet that she had prepared but myself; and to morrow am I invited unto her also with the king. [13] Yet all this availeth(profit) me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at the king's gate.

Esther 6:9
[9] And let this apparel and horse be delivered to the hand of one of the king's most noble princes, that they may array the man withal whom the king delighteth to honour, and bring him on horseback through the street of the city, and proclaim before him, Thus shall it be done to the man whom the king delighteth to honour.

Esther 7:10
[10] So they hanged Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai. Then was the king's wrath pacified.

Esther 8:1-2,6-7,15-17
[1] On that day did the king Ahasuerus give the house of Haman the Jews' enemy unto Esther the queen. And Mordecai came before the king; for Esther had told what he was unto her. [2] And the king took off his ring, which he had taken from Haman, and gave it unto Mordecai. And Esther set Mordecai over the house of Haman.

[6] For how can I endure to see the evil that shall come unto my people? or how can I endure to see the destruction of my kindred? [7] Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew, Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.

[15] And Mordecai went out from the presence of the king in royal apparel of blue and white, and with a great crown of gold, and with a garment of fine linen and purple: and the city of Shushan rejoiced and was glad. [16] The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honour. [17] And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Esther 9:1-2
[1] Now in the twelfth month, that is , the month Adar, on the thirteenth day of the same, when the king's commandment and his decree drew near to be put in execution, (very important) in the day that the enemies of the Jews hoped to have power over them, (though it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them that hated them [2] The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell upon all people.

Esther 10:3
[3] For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his people, and speaking peace to all his seed.

Isaiah 59:21
[21] As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord ; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord , from henceforth and for ever.
 
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You ask: Why Esther? Consider who prepared the banquet? Several verses to consider; hopefully you will see footprints emerge.

King: God, the Father. The Son at His right hand.
Queen: The city(Spirit) from above: The mother of us all.

Esther 3:8-9,13
[8] And Haman said unto king Ahasuerus, There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the people in all the provinces of thy kingdom; and their laws are diverse from all people; neither keep they the king's laws: therefore it is not for the king's profit to suffer them.(how long must I suffer you?) [9] If it please the king, let it be written that they may be destroyed: and I will pay ten thousand talents of silver to the hands of those that have the charge of the business, to bring it into the king's treasuries.

13] And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.

Esther 4:2,4
[2] And came even before the king's gate: for none might enter into the king's gate clothed with sackcloth.

4] So Esther's maids and her chamberlains came and told it her. Then was the queen exceedingly grieved; and she sent raiment to clothe Mordecai, and to take away his sackcloth from him: but he received it not.

Esther 5:1,4,12-13
[1] Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther(that new Jerusalem, Spirit from above) put on her royal apparel , and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

4] And Esther answered, If it seem good unto the king, let the king and Haman come this day unto the banquet that I have prepared for him.

12] Haman said moreover, Yea, Esther the queen did let no man come in with the king unto the banquet that she had prepared but myself; and to morrow am I invited unto her also with the king. [13] Yet all this availeth(profit) me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at the king's gate.

Esther 6:9
[9] And let this apparel and horse be delivered to the hand of one of the king's most noble princes, that they may array the man withal whom the king delighteth to honour, and bring him on horseback through the street of the city, and proclaim before him, Thus shall it be done to the man whom the king delighteth to honour.

HE took our place: Esther 7:10
[10] So they hanged Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai. Then was the king's wrath pacified.

Esther 8:1-2,6-7,15-17
[1] On that day did the king Ahasuerus give the house of Haman the Jews' enemy unto Esther the queen. And Mordecai came before the king; for Esther had told what he was unto her. [2] And the king took off his ring, which he had taken from Haman, and gave it unto Mordecai. And Esther set Mordecai over the house of Haman.

[6] For how can I endure to see the evil that shall come unto my people? or how can I endure to see the destruction of my kindred? [7] Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew, Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.

[15] And Mordecai went out from the presence of the king in royal apparel of blue and white, and with a great crown of gold, and with a garment of fine linen and purple: and the city of Shushan rejoiced and was glad. [16] The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honour. [17] And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

Esther 9:1-2
[1] Now in the twelfth month, that is , the month Adar, on the thirteenth day of the same, when the king's commandment and his decree drew near to be put in execution, (very important) in the day that the enemies of the Jews hoped to have power over them, (though it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them that hated them [2] The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell upon all people.

Esther 10:3
[3] For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his people, and speaking peace to all his seed.

Isaiah 59:21
[21] As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord ; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord , from henceforth and for ever.

Yes, I believe I see the parallels you are making, though probably not all. And there are many that one could make. And the story itself is one of a marvelous deliverance of the Jews from God.

But God is never mentioned in this story. No prophet sent to these people to warn them to repent and return to God. The Seventy year captivity has ended. The believing remnant of Jews have returned under Ezra and Zerubbabel. In other words, God has his remnant back in the land in Jerusalem. These in the book of Esther are not those. These stayed back. Did not return. They are not in the place of blessing, which for Israel, is back in the land. They are in the place of cursing, which is outside the land.

Though God is never mentioned, is there any who believes that it was not God who delivered these Jews? I doubt it. But why would He?

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What's to consider? The Bible is replete with the many times God tried to get Israel to return to Him by rescuing them like that. And they never would, for long.

It is not that God did any "turning away" from anyone. Israel just chose to disregard the covenant they had with Him.

There is plenty to consider. God in this story to Esther is not trying to get them to return. In fact, He is not even mentioned. God's remnant did return already. See (Ezra). So, did God deliver these Jews?

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Yes, I believe I see the parallels you are making, though probably not all. And there are many that one could make. And the story itself is one of a marvelous deliverance of the Jews from God.

But God is never mentioned in this story. No prophet sent to these people to warn them to repent and return to God. The Seventy year captivity has ended. The believing remnant of Jews have returned under Ezra and Zerubbabel. In other words, God has his remnant back in the land in Jerusalem. These in the book of Esther are not those. These stayed back. Did not return. They are not in the place of blessing, which for Israel, is back in the land. They are in the place of cursing, which is outside the land.

Though God is never mentioned, is there any who believes that it was not God who delivered these Jews? I doubt it. But why would He?

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I don’t know. It is interesting. I had never read the book of Esther until this morning. Thank you for recommending attention be given to it.
 

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But @Stranger
I see nothing more that in Esther God is showing His mighty protection for His people and the downfall for the Enemy who rises up against them.

I still don't really understand why you cannot believe wen Paul tells us “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
In the OT Israel stood for God's people...in the NT all God's people are " Israel ."
We know that the name Israel means- "May God prevail. He struggles with God. God perseveres" The story of all of us.

I believe an unconverted Jew, is just that...an unconverted man like everyone else who is yet unconverted. :)
 

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But @Stranger
I see nothing more that in Esther God is showing His mighty protection for His people and the downfall for the Enemy who rises up against them.

I still don't really understand why you cannot believe wen Paul tells us “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
In the OT Israel stood for God's people...in the NT all God's people are " Israel ."
We know that the name Israel means- "May God prevail. He struggles with God. God perseveres" The story of all of us.

I believe an unconverted Jew, is just that...an unconverted man like everyone else who is yet unconverted. :)

What makes you think these are God's people? They did not return to Jerusalem to build and worship in the place God has chosen for Israel? They stayed in the foreign land because it was more beneficial for them to do so.

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Esther is one of my favorite stories. It is very glamorous and romantic. One of my favorite movies is "One Night With The King." I love the story, the background scenery and the the costumes. I love Esther's character and courage. I have drawn pictures of what I think Esther looks like. My latests drawing needs some work. She looks too Egyptian. I decided to erase the eye liner and give her different eye make up. She has a tall cylinder shaped crown, mostly gold with some jewels. I gave her a gold and jeweled collar like Egyptian royalty; she has a purple cape flowing from the shoulders under the collar down. She has one hand holding a gold chalice up from the cape, the dress underneath is white with a fancy sash with a flower design embroidered on it. I drew a bride Esther in white and gold like how she looks during the wedding scene in ONWTK.

The Bible says Esther was put into her position "for such a time as this." So she could save the Jews living in Persia since she was wife to the king, she appealed to him, and revealed Haman's treachery and wickedness. She could be killed if the king did not raise his scepter to her. It's a good thing he did.
 

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Esther is one of my favorite stories. It is very glamorous and romantic. One of my favorite movies is "One Night With The King." I love the story, the background scenery and the the costumes. I love Esther's character and courage. I have drawn pictures of what I think Esther looks like. My latests drawing needs some work. She looks too Egyptian. I decided to erase the eye liner and give her different eye make up. She has a tall cylinder shaped crown, mostly gold with some jewels. I gave her a gold and jeweled collar like Egyptian royalty; she has a purple cape flowing from the shoulders under the collar down. She has one hand holding a gold chalice up from the cape, the dress underneath is white with a fancy sash with a flower design embroidered on it. I drew a bride Esther in white and gold like how she looks during the wedding scene in ONWTK.

The Bible says Esther was put into her position "for such a time as this." So she could save the Jews living in Persia since she was wife to the king, she appealed to him, and revealed Haman's treachery and wickedness. She could be killed if the king did not raise his scepter to her. It's a good thing he did.

It is a great and true story. Though I believe some of our romanticism has been added to it. Do you believe God delivered the Jews in this story? I certainly do. Yet we are not told that.

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It is a great and true story. Though I believe some of our romanticism has been added to it. Do you believe God delivered the Jews in this story? I certainly do. Yet we are not told that.

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It IS quite obvious that He preserved them. Perhaps so they could face the future decision of acceptance or rejection of His Son when He arrived in the world?
 

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It IS quite obvious that He preserved them. Perhaps so they could face the future decision of acceptance or rejection of His Son when He arrived in the world?

The remnant had already returned. They were in Jerusalem. In other words, they who were obedient to God, God had in place in Israel. They who refused to go back to Israel, were being disobedient. Why would God preserve them?

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They who refused to go back to Israel, were being disobedient. Why would God preserve them?
To demonstrate the grace of God. Ideally all the Jewish captives should have returned to Judea, but all did not do so. Yet God was gracious to them, which indicates that we cannot fathom the grace of God.

This is very similar to Lot who chose to live among evildoers because he would benefit materially. Yet he is called "righteous" in the Bible only because he trusted in God, and was therefore rescued along with his wife and daughters. However, it would appear that the wife's heart was still in Sodom, and she paid for it, and the daughters were corrupted while living there, and they paid for it.

Mordecai and Esther remained in Shushan (ancient Susa) in Persia, but it is evident from the book of Esther that they too trusted in God, and were therefore deemed righteous and used by God to protect the Jews.
 
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Yes, all through the Bible God was constantly and consistently giving disobedient Israel repeated chances to come around.
This would also apply to individuals in the world who are lost and need to be saved. Even Pharaoh (who opposed Moses) was given many chances to repent.
 

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Yes, all through the Bible God was constantly and consistently giving disobedient Israel repeated chances to come around.

Have you even read the book? There is no chance given to Israel to come around. Do me a favor and read the book first then comment.

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To demonstrate the grace of God. Ideally all the Jewish captives should have returned to Judea, but all did not do so. Yet God was gracious to them, which indicates that we cannot fathom the grace of God.

This is very similar to Lot who chose to live among evildoers because he would benefit materially. Yet he is called "righteous" in the Bible only because he trusted in God, and was therefore rescued along with his wife and daughters. However, it would appear that the wife's heart was still in Sodom, and she paid for it, and the daughters were corrupted while living there, and they paid for it.

Mordecai and Esther remained in Shushan (ancient Susa) in Persia, but it is evident from the book of Esther that they too trusted in God, and were therefore deemed righteous and used by God to protect the Jews.

Really? It is evident that they trusted God? Where is their prayer to God for their deliverance? They don't even mention His name. They were given opportunity to return to the land and refused.

Moses was in Pharaoh's house yet then refused the glory and would identify with God's people the lowly Jews. With Mordecai and Esther it was different. They sought the positions of power and glory. They hid their identity at the beginning that they were Jews.

The Mosaic Law forbade the giving of Jewish daughters to Gentiles to marry. What was Mordecai thinking? What was Esther thinking? They were not being forced into this arrangement, they sought it.

Harry Ironside says in his book, (Ezra, Nehemiah, & Esther, Loizeaux Brothers, 1974, p. 28 of Esther) concerning when Esther was chosen by the King of Persia, "A signal honor, doubtless, but how low had she stooped to obtain it! How had she lost that character of holy separation to Jehovah which should ever have been hers! How truly was she degraded in her very exaltation! The favored wife among many, and her lord an uncircumicised Gentile! How low had the nation fallen when Mordecai, one of the noblest of them all,could rejoice in such a dubious honor being accorded her!....Far better had it been for Esther to have been poor and unknown, yet cleaving to the Lord her God among the returned captives at Jerusalem, than to be thus exalted in the house of the conqueror."

You say Lot's wife's heart was in Sodom. Well, Mordecai and Esther's heart was in Persia the land of their captivity. Which they proved. Else they would have returned with the believing remnant.

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Yes, I believe I see the parallels you are making, though probably not all. And there are many that one could make. And the story itself is one of a marvelous deliverance of the Jews from God.

But God is never mentioned in this story. No prophet sent to these people to warn them to repent and return to God. The Seventy year captivity has ended. The believing remnant of Jews have returned under Ezra and Zerubbabel. In other words, God has his remnant back in the land in Jerusalem. These in the book of Esther are not those. These stayed back. Did not return. They are not in the place of blessing, which for Israel, is back in the land. They are in the place of cursing, which is outside the land.

Though God is never mentioned, is there any who believes that it was not God who delivered these Jews? I doubt it. But why would He?

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I believe.....I believe God is behind every nation of the OT....it was necessary in order to fulfill prophesy of the coming Messiah and where and when He would be born, who the king would be at that time and those who would come into His life and become His disciples....So Yeah there was a reason for the story of Esther and the saving of the Jewish people under the King's rule.
 
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