marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
No doubt the older saints have a lot to teach us as the dedication and commitment that they gave seems a thing of the past.
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marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
No, he hasn't ignored me. he has responded and answered my question. Being autistic, I am rarely if ever rude as that is not in my makeup. I have a passion for knowledge so I ask questions all the time. I love books and studying and have over 1,000 in my personal library, three university degrees and one theological degree.
Most of the time I will not comment on a subject unless I have done the study first. That stops me from looking ignorant and childish and shooting from the lip which to me adds no value to the discussion.
Most of the time all I want to do is inform and pass on what I have learned from the great men who I have been taught by and judging by the number of likes I have had since I have been here, I have achieved my aim.
Apart from the fact that I have had four men who did not know each other at different times in different meetings lay hands on me and given the exact same prophecy that God was equipping me to be a prophetic teacher to the body of Christ.
Can't get anything more convincing than that.
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
I would suggest that you have got the wrong end of the stick. Tim has written over 50 books mainly on the end times. His study and knowledge of the subject are impeccable and for anyone who wants to understand the pre-trib side of things, they are a great resource.
Nowhere in any of the books (I must have read about 20 of them) do I get the impression that he is trying to give an easy way out for unbelievers. In the last couple I read, he painted a grim picture for those that turned away from God in the last days.
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Ive read all the Left Behind books and love them! When I first became a Christian at 15, I was taught pre tribulation rapture and accepted it fully! But since I really didn't know why I believed this, as I got older I have now begun to believe in mid tribulation rapture. I have believed this way, because God allows us to go through tests and trials to make us stronger and draw us closer to Him. I also think I have forgotten though that Tribulation is judgement and Christ has forgiven us our sins and no longer have to face judgement.
Now if this doesn't go along with the topic, let me know and I will post it elsewhere, but the 144,000...are these believers from the Jewish heritage that will be on earth during the Tribulation or Great Tribulation?
Now if this doesn't go along with the topic, let me know and I will post it elsewhere, but the 144,000...are these believers from the Jewish heritage that will be on earth during the Tribulation or Great Tribulation?
It would appear that the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel are "raptured" out during the Great Tribulation.
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne...These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. (Rev 7:3,4).
Then it must be pre tribulation for Christians if the 144,000 are raptured before the Great Tribulation. That is comforting!
Nice comment, and I agree. Also I think God blessed certain of the faithful believers in the past (prior to the prevalence of numerous false teachings) to have the talent in understanding more of what spiritual growth in the Word teaches.
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Daniel's 70th week is a period of 7 years and is connected to "desolations" (Dan 9:26,27).
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations* (שֹׁמֵמֹֽות) are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Strong's Concordance
shamem: to be desolated or appalled
Original Word: שָׁמֵם
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shamem
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-mame')
Short Definition: desolate
Brown-Driver-Briggs
Po-.]; usually of land, etc.(sometimes=deserted), Isaiah 49:8;Ezekiel 33:28 (מֵאֵין עוֺבֵר), Ezekiel 35:12 (read שָֽׁמְמוּ Qr Co Toy Krae; >Ktשׁממה), Ezekiel 35:15; הֶחְָרָבוֺת הַשֹּׁמִמוֺת Ezekiel 36:4 ("" הֶעָרִים הַנֱּעֶזָבוֺת שַׁמּוֺת) Ezekiel 36:3 is probably corrupt, Co שְׁאָט as Ezekiel 36:5, Hi-Sm from שׁמה = נשׁם, Toy reads נָשֹׁם, Krae נָשֹׁם; — participle feminine plural as noun = desolate places Isaiah 49:19; Isaiah 61:4 (both "" חֳרָבוֺת), Isaiah 61:4 (compareשְׁמָמָה Isaiah 62:4); = desolations Daniel 9:18,26.
The Tribulation is during the first 3 1/2 years (Rev 8 to Rev 13) and the Great Tribulation is during the last 3 1/2 years (Rev 14 to Rev 18). The trigger for the Great Tribulation is the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation (Matthew 24).
The "desolations" are the divine judgments which come upon the earth from Rev 8 to Rev 18.
The 70th week of Daniel is associated with "the prince that shall come" who is also "the little horn" in Daniel, the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Beast. He has not taken control of this earth as yet, and the Church and the Holy Spirit are still on this earth. Therefore Daniel's 70th week is yet future, and until the third temple is built in Jerusalem, the Antichrist (the coming false Messiah) will not be manifested.
Where does scripture specifically divide the 70th week from the 69th already fulfilled?
2 THESSALONIANS 2 -- FUTURE EVENTS
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The "falling away" (apostasy within Christendom) has begun, but there is no "temple of God" in Jerusalem as yet. The Abomination of Desolation must stand in "the Holy Place" and the Antichrist must sit in that temple proclaiming that He is God and Christ (Messiah).
None of this mentions a gap in Daniel's 70 weeks. It only assumes one is there. Still no 7 year tribulation scripture can account for.
The issue we have with Daniel_9:24-27 is that there are a number of prophecies within these prophetic verses which are, in reality, not linked in any way with the first mention of 70 weeks of years. However, because we can find 69 weeks of years mentioned in verse 25 and 1 week of years in verse 27, many have assumed a common timeline for all of the prophecies. This is not true.
The timespan for the Daniel_9:26b prophecy is defined by the start being when the prince, i.e. the Little Horn, comes with an army to bring desolations to the land and Jerusalem and the ending point of the prophecy is when the war in heaven with Satan and the other fallen wicked heavenly hosts is over in our near future.
Now, verse 27 comes into play after the war in heaven is over as it does not overlap the prophecy in verse 26b, however, there is a time gap of 1,000 years where Satan is unable to have any influence over the people of the earth because immediately he is thrown out of heaven down to the earth he is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. Now the prophecy in verse 27 is a prophecy about deception and we are told in Rev_20:7-8 that when Satan is released from heaven that he will go out to the nations of the world to deceive them.
Now the 490 years mentioned in Daniel_9:24 is continuous and is over at the end of the fourth Age of mankind/the end of the second age of Israelite's existence.
The 483 years mentioned in Daniel_9:25 start a little later after the start of the 490 years of verse 24 and ends a number of years after the start of the fifth age after Christ is born.
Embedded in prophecy, Daniel_9:26 and Revelation_12, 20, there is a gap of some 3,000 or so years between when Jerusalem is desolated and devastated and the Daniel_9:27 prophecy.
Just because people saw a pattern of two 490 year time periods, through the ability to add three time periods together, does not mean that the time period of Daniel_9:25-27 must occur within a forced and continuous time period of 490 years as many also suggest.
Whether I am right or wrong, my explanation makes some sense as to why there is such a big time span occurring between when the devastation and desolation of Jerusalem starts and the solemn seven year covenant mentioned in verse 27 begins.
Only after Satan is released from the Bottomless Pit for a little while i.e. for a period of around 20-30 years, does the Daniel_9:27 prophecy come into play and unfolds over a seven year period.
Over the second three and a half year period of the one week of years is when the false prophet encourages the people of the earth to begin worshipping the beast with the treat of death and starvation, possibly, if people will not.
After this period of time, God's wrath will increase until the end is decreed.
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But still no gap to speak of in scripture. The 70 weeks were contiguous, and Jesus fulfilled the 70th week being crucified in the middle of it.
Where in scripture does it say that the Daniel 7:24 covers the same time span as verse 25 plus verse 27.
It is an assumption that is not supported by scripture IMHO.
I provided the scriptural support for what I posted and it did not show that my theory was outside of scripture.
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We understand the prophecy in the light of fulfillment. No gap between Daniel's 69th and 70th week shows Christ cause the sacrifice to cease by offering him self on the cross. In the time of the Roman Empire.
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