i quit

Triumph1300 said:

I'm starting to think Mr. Michael is posting just for fun and get you guys going.
I fell for it on one thread, not this time anymore.
I think the troller trap needs to be set.

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Well I am glad that you were brave enough to say that.
I have been talking to him in PM's as well as in all his threads....and I had the very same thought this morning. I am "weighing it".

I'm opting out now.
I have said all I have to say.

Mister Michael said:

its not really my grand fathers fault he's a witness and was under the grasp of the watchtower. So he wasn't even saying things he found out for himself but instead what wt said

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Well even us. We will love you no matter what. Answer any questions you have. But this is something you will need to really figure out on your own through study and prayer.

"ByGrace" said:

Well I am glad that you were brave enough to say that.
I have been talking to him in PM's as well as in all his threads....and I had the very same thought this morning. I am "weighing it".

I'm opting out now.
I have said all I have to say.

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I used to be quite a bit depressed and dramatic around this age too...and Hidden in Him will tell you about my forum of dreams I had pm'd him about. Anxiety does quite a bit in the mind.

Mister Michael said:

i give up it's to confusing and nothing you said has help.

i appreciate the help but it hasn't work may be i am not trying hard enough.

don't bother helping please

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The thing is, no one ever makes it in by trying.

Yes, we need to labour to enter into His rest. But once we have entered into His rest, we cease from our own works, even as God did from His.

What someone said to you recently I say also: Simply rest in the understanding that God loves you.

You very likely have a very long life ahead of you. While I don't encourage putting off a decision to receive Christ (because of such things as Ecclesiastes 9:11 and Proverbs 27:12); prayer will come into the equation; and I am going to pray for you tonight that God will lift the weight off of your shoulders and that He will also give you the time you need to make a decision; and that that decision will be unhindered by the enemy so that you can decide either for or against Christ with a decision that is free of the influence of the demonic, based completely in the free will that God has given to you.

@Mister Michael
I am guessing the confusion comes from maybe too many different helpers here. Lots of helpers going in the same direction can of course be very good, but sometimes it is better to have only one or even to first just reach out to God alone until He brings you the help you really want. Do you know what you want from God?

Maybe a good thing to do might be to ask the Lord for the gift of discernment; that way you can discern which of the many helpers who are trying to help you are doing so in the power of the Holy Ghost; and which of them are doing it in the power of the flesh or some other spirit: and then to listen carefully to those people whom God testifies in your spirit (by giving you a peace about what they say (Philippians 4:6-7, Colossians 3:15)) are speaking to you by the Spirit of the Lord.

But again, as others here have said, do things in baby steps if everything seems too overwhelming.

What matters here is that you are taking in information and advice and you can take any of the advice that is given to you at your leisure (provided Ecclesiastes 9:11 or Proverbs 27:1 don't come into play).

Now of course it says in Isaiah 28:16 that if you really believe, you will not act hastily. So take in the information, and then take your time processing and deciding when and what you will obey.

Now it was prophesied over me that my spiritual gift is the word of wisdom, so I think that I am qualified by that to give you sound advice. But as is the case with any and all advice that will ever be given to you, it is important that you weigh it out in your mind over a period of waiting; and then act on anything that you feel that, after that waiting period, is truly wise.

Mister Michael said:

Can you kill me please

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Well not me, but your local parrish yes... You can die with Christ in Baptism and rise to new life as a child of God... The choice is yours..

Pax!

Mayflower said:

it is a life or death decision on an eternal scale, based on what I believe the Bible says.

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I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live

KJV Jeremiah 29
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Mister Michael said:

i give up it's to confusing and nothing you said has help.

i appreciate the help but it hasn't work may be i am not trying hard enough.

don't bother helping please

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OK, I won't.

Mister Michael said:

Was that advice?

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If you're going to be baptized down the line, praying that no matter what they speak over you, that it be in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, is the only way to go (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-29). I have been taught both that baptism is essential for salvation, and that it is not essential (having background in different churches with different teachings). With that in mind, I would pray about getting baptized in God's timing and in God's way: but don't worry too much in the interim about dying in your sins if you don't get the opportunity before the Lord takes you home.

For the most part baptism is a symbol representing that by putting your faith in Christ and what He did for you, you have already been crucified, buried, and risen with Him through faith. Though some believe that this death, burial, and resurrection happens when you go under the actual water and then come back up calling on the name of the Lord (see Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12 and Romans 10:13).

While I wouldn't take any chances, salvation is absolutely promised to those who merely call on the name of the Lord. It says nothing about water in Romans 10:13. However, the Holy Ghost is also absolutely promised to all of those who will submit to baptism Acts 2:38 style; and the only other way to get the promised Holy Ghost is found in Luke 11:9-13 (although Romans 5:1-5 has merit); but it is not as absolute in those scriptures as when it is promised to those who take the step of faith in going under the water. To be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is a powerful way of confessing Him before men; and scripture promises that Jesus will confess you before His Father which is in heaven when you take this step of faith, exercising faith in the operation of the Lord (Colossians 2:11-15, esp. v.12).

Taken said:

However you are coming into adulthood, and actually I am impressed at you looking beyond what appears to have been limiting...as is the usual for children.

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Not all children are trollers.

Mister Michael said:

Was that advice?

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The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let the hearer say, "Come." Let the one who thirsts come forward, and the one who wants it receive the gift of life-giving water.

Taken said:

So? Why tell me as if I had made Any mention of Who "trollers" are?

Pretty sure YOU are the one who brought up "trollers", "sniffed out" a forum member, and decided to "peg" that member a ""troller".

You own that. Don't attempt to get me involuntary involved with your charade ...

God Bless,
Taken

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Sorry that offended you.

I actually confirmed and agreed with you.

But in you excitement to "get at me" you missed that point.