The Righteous

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Here is a prophecy that fits the modern church.

Ez. 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

How many preachers fit the bill here?

Mayflower · Sep 22, 2018

Episkopos said:
Paul says that the Scriptures are good for instruction in righteousness. He was talking about the OT.

We know that God's righteousness is a gift. But if that was the kind of righteousness talked about in the OT....how can one learn it?

You don't learn a gift.

So the Paul is admonishing Timothy to ADD righteousness to His spiritual walk...IOW to understand righteousness.

Praise God He gave us His righteousness as a gift. Sanctification is a hard process, but I hope to look more like Him everyday. I am caught up now.

I know we can never do enough as servants of Christ. But I do wish I could do more. It is a constant prayer as to what God wants me to do to show His righteousness. Pride is a constant thing I have to keep check on.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Naomi25 said:
I'm struggling to follow your analogy, sorry (that could well be my fault, however, not your own!).
Why would evangelicals say "away to the gallows" to the farmer for helping the Prince, regardless of knowing his identity?

Sorry I missed this one Naomi...

Because many evangelicals don't recognize any righteousness but their own. Just like the Pharisees did.

Naomi25 said:
And....must we label good deeds a righteousness? Aren't we told in scripture that no one is righteous, no not one? Any righteousness Christians have is Christ's own righteousness that has been imputed to us. We carry out good deeds through that grace and righteousness...in response to it, but I'm not sure that we can lay claim to it ourselves.

I'm trying to debunk these unbiblical teachings...with proper sound teaching.

We need to see what is of us....and what is of God. The devil has brought much confusion to this.

Mayflower · Sep 22, 2018

Episkopos said:
Abraham did not declare himself righteous because he believed God. He just believed God and left it to God to think as He wills. Abraham let God be the judge. If we judge ourselves as righteous because of our beliefs...we are doubly sinful. We will be judged harshly.

We are just to do what is right without calculation. Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing....in righteousness.
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I admit this is hard sometimes. I understand your story now. "Just do it because it is the right thing to do."
Giving a glass of water to a child in Christ's name, I do believe God should be in our thoughts when we are helping someone. But not for reward or accolades.

Mayflower · Sep 22, 2018

I am glad we don't ha e to worry about our salvation and can just serve, because it is right. We should be bursting to the brim with joy, because of what Jesus did for us.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Mayflower said:
I am glad we don't ha e to worry about our salvation and can just serve, because it is right. We should be bursting to the brim with joy, because of what Jesus did for us.

Let no one take away from the simplicity which is of Christ. No need to judge others. Just love and be a light in the world. God does the rest.

brakelite · Sep 22, 2018

Episkopos said:
Here you are going for the whole enchalada. I find that people miss the righteousness of God by missing what righteousness is altogether.

In short, righteousness is obedience to all God's commandments.

Enoch111 · Sep 22, 2018

brakelite said:
In short, righteousness is obedience to all God's commandments.

As long as we are clear that righteousness begins with IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS -- The absolute righteousness of God and Christ placed upon us when God justifies us by His grace. Without justification, we cannot ever be as perfect as God.

ROMANS 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

brakelite said:
In short, righteousness is obedience to all God's commandments.

Even if you don't know you're doing it... actually...so much the better if you don't!

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Enoch111 said:
As long as we are clear that righteousness begins with IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS -- The absolute righteousness of God and Christ placed upon us when God justifies us by His grace. Without justification, we cannot ever be as perfect as God.

This is what I'm trying to show is not the truth.

God accepts those who work righteousness. Before God visits them. So you have the order backwards.

God accepts the righteous....and calls sinners to repent.

Those that work righteousness are already healthy...as Jesus said.

You only have churchy teachings to back up your scheme. I am showing what it says in the bible.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

How many go down the path to the "dark side" of religion....with all that imputed righteousness nonsense? It makes a person religious to think that his own belief gives him the right to call himself righteous. The road to self-righteousness I call it.

A righteous man does NOT consider himself to be righteous.

A humble man does NOT consider himself to be humble.

A wise person does NOT consider himself to be wise.

etc....

Mayflower · Sep 22, 2018

Episkopos said:
This is what I'm trying to show is not the truth.

God accepts those who work righteousness. Before God visits them. So you have the order backwards.

God accepts the righteous....and calls sinners to repent.

Those that work righteousness are already healthy...as Jesus said.

You only have churchy teachings to back up your scheme. I am showing what it says in the bible.

I thought that imputed righteousness is God's righteousness, the gift given to us

Imputed- ascribed righteousness. This is justification by what Christ did. Not our own. Unless he means different...

Enoch111 · Sep 22, 2018

Episkopos said:
This is what I'm trying to show is not the truth.

Well since Scripture is GOD'S TRUTH, and you are contradicting it, where does that leave you?

You, my friend, are trying to concoct your own theology, and leading people astray. So kindly give us a verse by verse explanation of Romans 4:1-25 without distortion.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Mayflower said:
I thought that imputed righteousness is God's righteousness, the gift given to us

Imputed righteousness is OUR righteousness that God recognizes. To impute means to attribute.

So then God's righteousness is IMPUTED to God.

We can receive God's righteousness by putting ON Christ. But that righteousness is still imputed to Him. The actions that we do IN Christ are imputed to us....because we are doing them...although it is God's power we are walking in. That is called...the righteousness of the saints.

Enoch111 · Sep 22, 2018

Mayflower said:
I thought that imputed righteousness is God's righteousness, the gift given to us

Correct. And unless we grasp this truth fully and unreservedly, we will never understand God's salvation.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Well since Scripture is GOD'S TRUTH, and you are contradicting it, where does that leave you?

You, my friend, are trying to concoct your own theology, and leading people astray. So kindly give us a verse by verse explanation of Romans 4:1-25 without distortion.

I am correcting churchy traditions. I am teaching what is actually found in the bible. AND I have the spiritual experience to know the actual grace of God. So I have 2 coordinates to speak from.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Correct. And unless we grasp this truth fully and unreservedly, we will never understand God's salvation.

That's how you misunderstand God and fall into the trap...the religion trap.

It is the false gospel...

Mayflower · Sep 22, 2018

OHHH! I read it again "righteousness begins with imputed righteousness."

Yeh, men are depraved without Christ...in Christ though, from how I understand it, God changes our hearts to be a reflection of Him. This reflection is accredited to us as righteousness, but it is still only God in us shining...we are completely depraved apart from Christ. And in Christ we shine His righteousness.

Enoch111 · Sep 22, 2018

Episkopos said:
Imputed righteousness is OUR righteousness that God recognizes. To impute means to attribute.

This is TOTAL NONSENSE and self-contradictory. I trust you will back off and go back to square one. It is one thing for you to believe incorrectly. It is another thing to promote false beliefs which could lead others into a ditch.

Episkopos · Sep 22, 2018

Enoch111 said:
This is TOTAL NONSENSE and self-contradictory. I trust you will back off and go back to square one. It is one thing for you to believe incorrectly. It is another thing to promote false beliefs which could lead others into a ditch.

Anything spiritual will appear as nonsense to you. Step back and look at how religious you are.

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