Revelation: Technology and the Mark of the Beast

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This is not a great comparison though, since the Pharisees disregarded the vivid prophecies of Christ, such as Him being a suffering servant and dying for the sins of His people (Isaiah 53). The Pharisees are a perfect example of those who reject vivid prophecy to sustain their desires and worldly ambitions.
They would have believe this had Jesus' kingdom presentation matched their "vivid" understanding of a physical kingdom.
 

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They would have believe this had Jesus' kingdom presentation matched their "vivid" understanding of a physical kingdom.

Except the prophecies in question relate to the overtly physical kingdom of anti-Christ. Additionally, Christ will eventually have a physical Kingdom that many of the Pharisees will miss the enjoyment of because they had looked for that Kingdom when it was not established first in their spirit by being a people of the New Covenant that was promised of circumcised hearts. But that is a debate already being held in other topics and that I will not digress into here from the purpose of this particular thread.
 
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Except the prophecies in question relate to the overtly physical kingdom of anti-Christ. Additionally, Christ will eventually have a physical Kingdom that many of the Pharisees will miss the enjoyment of because they had looked for that Kingdom when it was not established first in their spirit by being a people of the New Covenant that was promised of circumcised hearts. But that is a debate already being held in other topics and that I will not digress into here from the purpose of this particular thread.
I disagree. The Pharisees looked for a Physical Kingdom and Christ rejected their views by teaching the Kingdom was spiritual only.
 
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Has it occurred to you that the Antichrist is an entity that incorporates the whore, the state, and apostate Protestantism?

No, Brakelite. They are two separate entities entirely.
This is where the notion that the Papacy had turned into the Antichrist came from, in case you are interested. Catholic bishop Arnulf of Orleans would be the first on record to identify the “man of sin” as the Papacy during his days in the 10th century. Catholic abbot Joachim of Floris in 1190 and the archbishop Eberhard II in 1240 also related the papacy to the Antichrist. Synopsis of the End Times; A look at the popular beliefs of today by Mike Morrill.

Interesting, though I'm not surprised. Again Dave, without wanting to sound disrespectful, these were 10th, 12th and 13th century minds trying to interpret what the Antichrist was a millennium too early. Their interpretation of scripture is now badly outdated. I have no problems with them making this mistake whatsoever. They had no idea what vehicle the Antichrist would actually come through (Islam), and therefore identified the whore (the false church) as being the Antichrist falsely. My problem is with those who today still hold to these outdated assumptions when they should know better in light of trends on the world scene related to end-time prophecy.
 
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No, Brakelite. They are two separate entities entirely.


Interesting, though I'm not surprised. Again Dave, without wanting to sound disrespectful, these were 10th, 12th and 13th century minds trying to interpret what the Antichrist was a millennium too early. Their interpretation of scripture is now badly outdated. I have no problems with them making this mistake whatsoever. They had no idea what vehicle the Antichrist would actually come through (Islam), and therefore identified the whore (the false church) as being the Antichrist falsely. My problem is with those who today still hold to these outdated assumptions when they should know better in light of trends on the world scene related to end-time prophecy.
But, the Papacy fulfilled all the criteria mentioned by John.
 
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But, the Papacy fulfilled all the criteria mentioned by John.

Nope. Scripture has all along stated that the ten kings would hate the whore, and burn her with fire. This makes the kingdom the Antichrist rules over a sworn enemy of the false church, and it will one day bring about her judgment.
 
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Nope. Scripture has all along stated that the ten kings would hate the whore, and burn her with fire. This makes the kingdom the Antichrist rules over a sworn enemy of the false church, and it will one day bring about her judgment.
Already happened and is happening.
 
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I suppose I'll have to take your word for it. I need to get some work done anyway.

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If you look for the symbols to appear, it will never happen. If you look for what the symbols represent, you can see it happening in history, the present, and you can know what to expect tomorrow.
 

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Really, I know of no scriptures that support that understanding. Rev. 20:4-6 does not indicate or support what you are suggesting.
I don't see it teaching anything else. The thousand years are sandwiched between the first and second resurrections in those verses with 6 clearly a reference to 4.
 

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Jesus was Amillennial. Find one passage where he embraces a physical kingdom or anything approaching today's millennial theories.

MATTHEW 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothedthee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR "ONE PASSAGE" ARE YOU GOING TO PUBLICLY RETRACT YOUR FALSE BELIEF ABOUT CHRIST BEING AMILLENNIAL?
 
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MATTHEW 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothedthee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR "ONE PASSAGE" ARE YOU GOING TO PUBLICLY RETRACT YOUR FALSE BELIEF ABOUT CHRIST BEING AMILLENNIAL?
You are confusing the "millennium" (false doctrine) with the Judgement on the last day.
 
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The number 6 = the number of a man
The number 666 = the number of a man possessed and controlled by Satan
666 Is mans perfection, 777 is the number for God, that is one above and that's what man needs to understand and if one rejects that, well that's were the problem lies.
The Devil is a great man and his Satanic followers are good people who are doing the works of man, Satanist are just lead astray from God and they have gods of there own, idols ! they worship and idolise things and the Devil.
The Devil does no evil he just abides in mans works and rejects God but temps people with dog cunning, that just leads them astray from God.
The so called Star is a work of man as St Stephen said in Acts and it came from Egyptians.
All mans works are but filthy rags, as to God, they just don't cut the grade, as they need one more ingredient and that's Jesus Christ. have not we did good works in your name ? I never knew you ?

So a man of Satan is a great man for sure in the eyes of all but the Born Again who can see them just for what they truly are, workers of iniquity.
Man can not cut the mustard he needs Gods workings in him to do that.
Mans works will only crash and burn as the ego only attacks God.

No one is going to point the finger at the Devil himself or his crew for being bad people because you can't he and his lot are great in the eyes of carnal man and they will reap what they sow, not to mention that such will only lead to Hellfire and damnation. that's the path the world in on now because it's being lead astray, one key element of Satanist is Political Correctness that's there main key to dominate and without such they are not at the wheel to totally control the car so to speak.
 

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You are confusing the "millennium" (false doctrine) with the Judgement on the last day.
And you are confusing the Judgment of the last day with what is in front of your eyes: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

This happens a long time before Judgment Day (and before the Millennium). But of course I don't expect you to respond with "I'm sorry but I am seriously mistaken and seriously confused".
 
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I disagree. The Pharisees looked for a Physical Kingdom and Christ rejected their views by teaching the Kingdom was spiritual only.
I take it that what is said here is that the people who are Born Again of the Holy Sprit are the only ones to be able to attain the Kingdom of God in the flesh and that non other can come in because they can't cut it.
The Kingdom of God is likened to ? it is said in the Bible.

I have heard people rant like total mad men that the kingdom is physical State of Israel that was created in 1967 and that it's all about the Jews works, they are gods people and that they must be obeyed because they are going to rule the world and anyone who is against them, they will destroy financially or what ever, you can not question a Jew and a Jew can kill who ever he wants regardless, create wars you name it.
I have been threatened by such type of people who wanted desperately to bash me up, but only for there fearing that they knew that they would end up being on the wrong end of the stick, that they did not attack me. they were in my face yelling at me with fist.
They want to bring in the kingdom, they shake there fist at Jesus and demand him to come down here. so they believe in the means justify the ends, they are going to bring hell on earth, but the good thing about it for them because they believe in God that they are going to be raptured up, so the little darlings will not be in any hurt themselves.
I am sorry to say that they will only reap what they sow, you can not do evil in order to make good, two wrongs do not make a right. they are not of Jesus Christ will at all.
 
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Welcome...
You started out with a big bang.
Actually, you might be up for an award on how many different members post on your first thread...:)
I haven't been here long, so I am guessing.
Any guesses on how many posters actually watched your video?
I find it fascinating that everyone knows everything about Jesus' Revelation to John. Except for the historical data that helps in understanding it.
Congrats on your potential award.
And, again, welcome.
 

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@Thir7ySev3n
Welcome.
Is this your first Christian forum website?
You seem to be holding your own.
Good thing. :)
Again, welcome to the forum.
 

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The 1st century Romans actually had the technology to implement the "mark of the beast" on people. They tattooed their slaves. Some slaves had a tattoo on their forehead. Think about it! Many of those who first heard this already had a "mark of Rome" on them.

Every generation thinks The Revelation is about them.

Some advice: forget what you think you know, imagine you are being persecuted by Domitian, and that you live in the year +/- 100 AD in Smyrna or Ephesus. Then you might get an inkling of what the book is about. Also, you need to know the Old Testament as well as they did.

I thank God that I don't have to make the decision to tell a Roman soldier that I refuse to bow down to the emperor. That's why I pray for those who are persecuted today.

The Revelation was written to comfort every persecuted generation. Those in 100AD, 1000AD, 2000AD, 5000AD, 10,000AD. & every generation thinks it is about them. And it is. But it is mostly about Jesus.
 
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