Thou shalt not Lie

(bondsemerson;45603)
How is it possible to keep this comanment,I am facing a situation in my life soon where I am going to lie about soemthing and really bothered by it just worries me when i go ahead and lie how will God see this.
Don't beat your self up over something not only you but everyone in this world has failed to NOT do, If anyone has ever told you that he/she has never lied, then they have already commited the act of lying, just don't make a habit of it and ask Gods forgivness when you do lie. No one has ever been able to keep the Ten Commandments the best we can do is think before we run our mouth and try our best to be honest with one another, I know I have lied many times over the years when my wife has bought a dress, hat,or what ever and asked if I thought it was pretty and told her "Yes honey ,that looks real nice on you, when I honestly thought other wise knowing that she really didn't want my opinion just my approval. I guess I rationalized my answer by telling my self, "Why hurt her feelings by telling her what I really think" Don't assume that I approve of lying as I don't, but I have found there have been times when being less than honest saves someone from being hurt if I tell them what I really think, I'm not saying it's right to do so but thats how I feel and if I said other wise then that in it's self would be a lie.I can't speak for God but somehow I feel He is more concerned with the reason I choose to lie then the lie it's self, I may be completely wrong :naughty: If so then always tell the truth no matter who you hurt by it...Ray

This would be a pre-meditated lie. You know you are going to. Quote : "Don't beat your self up over something not only you but everyone in this world has failed to NOT do, If anyone has ever told you that he/she has never lied, then they have already commited the act of lying, just don't make a habit of it and ask Gods forgivness when you do lie." This here...PATHETIC! KEEP THE TRUTH! Knowingly lieing is NOT AT ALL good. Thinking God will forgive you right after, and Him seeing you know not to lie. Well, remember God does have anger. You want Him with you and not against you. God is Truth and the devil is the father of lies.

:bible: Rumour: This word in the Bible is often used as an act of coercion to mislead the enemy of God's people. It has been used as an "untruth" in order to precipitate an action to fulfill God's plan. This is a type of self-defense. It is not wise to tell the enemy the "truth" all the time. We are told to be wiser than the serpent and it would be completely unwise to inform them of any intentions on our part. In my opinion the law was written with the expressive intent to stop malicious gossip and false witnessing. The only purpose for that being to sabotage another's quality of life. But when words are used to protect or defend another and they may not be quite accurate, this is not what God was referring to. You should not purposefully hurt someone by telling them that they are ugly, if they asked you. Nor would you tell your 4yr. details of the facts of life, even if they asked. It would not be appropriate and you would be protecting them.Examples of this usage is found in several places throughout Scripture where God protected His children by means of coercion. Sometimes, that's what it takes to "get things down" and retain your own integrity, which is, doing the right thing even when you don't have to. Sometimes the end results justify the means. Isa 37:7 Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 49:14 I have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent unto the heathen, [saying], Gather ye together, and come against her, and rise up to the battle. Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. Eze 7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients. Oba 1:1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. Luk 7:17 And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about. II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: Strong's Concordance 8052 rumour shmuw`ahsehm-oo-aw' feminine passive participle of 'shamem' (8074); something heard, i.e. an announcement:--bruit, doctrine, fame, mentioned, news, report, rumor, tidings.8074 rumour shamemshaw-mame' a primitive root; to stun (or intransitively, grow numb), i.e. devastate or (figuratively) stupefy (both usually in a passive sense):--make amazed, be astonied, (be an) astonish(-ment), (be, bring into, unto, lay, lie, make) desolate(-ion, places), be destitute, destroy (self), (lay, lie, make) waste, wonder.Dictionaryrumour or US rumor Noun1. information, often a mixture of truth and untruth, told by one person to another 2. gossip or common talk Verbbe rumoured to be circulated as a rumour: he is rumoured to have at least 53 yachts [Latin rumor] n. 1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.2. Unverified information received from another; hearsay.tr.v. ru•mored, ru•mor•ing, ru•mors To spread or tell by rumor.Blessings to You and Yours,Cedarhart

This forum has a mixture of mis leading people with truth. Like I said in one other forum...for someone to believe a lie, blend it with the truth. (in different context this time) The truth should be kept regardless of the situation. A child asking a question before their time and you having to answer them without a doubt...well come on. Tell them it's before their time. Tell them the truth about what you think! No excuse for lying whatsoever. God is truth and does hate a lying tongue. Better to say nothing at all than to tell a lie. And by no means a lie has to be told. Fear of the enemy or not wanting them to know. Doesn't the devil know the truth that he looses in the end?... only fear you should have is the Fear of God! The fear of God is to hate evil.. Proverbs 8:13. Keep the truth it shall set you free!

Chrissy,So you wouldn't keep quiet or lie to save someone's life? What if it was a man with a weapon wanting to take your child as a hostage and wants to know where he's hiding? Wouldn't you "lie" to defend him? Of course. Well, God will not deliver His Children into the hands of the enemy either. That's why He used "coercion/rumour/lie/strong delusion". I love Him for that protection.Fear? God does not want our fear! He wants our love and for us to respect Him. So the "fear" should be considered more aptly to be "revered" as that's what He deserves. Do you want your child to fear you or respect you? Big difference. Fearing God would take away man's freewill. He would be too afraid not to fear God and thereby his choice is taken from him.Honestly, without lying, I will tell you that the tone of your message was a turnoff and felt hostile. If you're wanting to reach people, you might consider not making them fear approaching you. You have much to reconsider.Meant with care,Cedarhart

bondsemerson,"How is it possible to keep this comanment,I am facing a situation in my life soon where I am going to lie about soemthing and really bothered by it just worries me when i go ahead and lie how will God see this."How will God see it?Matthew 15:19, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts…false witness…These are the things which defile a man: " You are worried and bothered by knowing that you are going to tell a lie... what does that tell you? I have been in situations where I felt a lie was best. But I was very wrong and the Lord showed me soon after how wrong I was. The Lord wants us to be people of our word, people should be able to trust us. No matter what we know we can trust Jesus right? And we are to be as much like him as we can. Jesus always told people things straight up. Pray, pray, PRAY! Ask the Lord for guidance and see what happens. And read the WORD.Colossians 3:9, "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;" Revelation 21:8, "…and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:" The Lord loves you and wants you to follow him, take time to talk to him about this.

Just curious as to how you skipped over my message without a response to God, himself, spreading rumors/delusions. It's even backed up with Scripture yet you insist that it is a sin in all cases. Therefore, God sinned? Judging Him is blasphemy and a very dangerous issue. No twisting here. Just cold, hard facts.Matthew 15:19, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts…false witness…These are the things which defile a man: " Colossians 3:9, "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;" Revelation 21:8, "…and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:" Each of these verses that you listed refer to malice to disrupt and cause harm to another.Cedarhart

Christina, beware of false prophets.

cedarhart,Why do you think that I skipped over your message? I read the whole thing. No one can go against scripture, and yes you did type up scripture. I would appreciate it very much if you would not assume things. "Judging Him is blasphemy and a very dangerous issue. No twisting here. Just cold, hard facts." I am not judging him like you just did me. I don't mind being shown that I am wrong, it does not bother me. Show me scripture where it says it is ok for MAN to lie. Not God. MAN. God did many things before he sent his son, he even killed people(of course they were going against him over and over). Is it ok for us to kill someone? God tells us to turn the other cheek. Are you saying you should lie to your kids when they ask questions? Why don't you just tell them that you will tell them when the time is right. Why do you have to lie?Right now I am a salesperson. You would not believe how many people will lie to make someone feel better or just to please them, and wow will they lie to make money! I read a devotion about that later that convicted me. I have found people really want the truth, they know most of the time when you lie, and it works out better for them when you do tell the truth. Like I said before, please help me to understand if I am wrong. And I pray that the Lord shows me through scripture.

(Kahtre;65492)
cedarhart,Why do you think that I skipped over your message? I read the whole thing. No one can go against scripture, and yes you did type up scripture. I would appreciate it very much if you would not assume things. "Judging Him is blasphemy and a very dangerous issue. No twisting here. Just cold, hard facts." I am not judging him like you just did me. I don't mind being shown that I am wrong, it does not bother me. Show me scripture where it says it is ok for MAN to lie. Not God. MAN. God did many things before he sent his son, he even killed people(of course they were going against him over and over). Is it ok for us to kill someone? God tells us to turn the other cheek. Are you saying you should lie to your kids when they ask questions? Why don't you just tell them that you will tell them when the time is right. Why do you have to lie?Right now I am a salesperson. You would not believe how many people will lie to make someone feel better or just to please them, and wow will they lie to make money! I read a devotion about that later that convicted me. I have found people really want the truth, they know most of the time when you lie, and it works out better for them when you do tell the truth. Like I said before, please help me to understand if I am wrong. And I pray that the Lord shows me through scripture.
Here is a situation. Would God be pleased with us if we tell the Truth to a murderer / rapists / etc that wants to murder / rape a family member / friend and tell the murderer / rapist where they are at so the murderer / rapists can commit greater evil?Isa 37:7 - Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land. Jer 49:14 - I have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent unto the heathen, [saying], Gather ye together, and come against her, and rise up to the battle. Jer 51:46 - And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. Eze 7:26 - Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients. Oba 1:1 - The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. Luk 7:17 - And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about. II Thess. 2:11 - And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Kahtre, I used to think like you do as an Atheist. I can understand why rumour / lying is whenever appropiately to protect one's love.Matthew 10:6 - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Jordan,I do see where you are coming from. Ok lets say I was in that situation where someone wanted to murder my friend and wanted to know where they are and would hurt me if I did not tell them. What would I do? I would not tell them. And I would tell them why I will not tell them. But I don't think I would lie about it. Now you are right in that I would not tell them the truth about where they are, I would tell them nothing. "I used to think like you do as an Atheist. I can understand why rumour / lying is whenever appropiately to protect one's love."I'm not sure I understand what you mean...I am going to pray about this and study the word tonight. Just thought about something....Now I think there is a story about a harlot that helps followers of Jesus escape, if I am correct I think she lied to the people that came looking for them and sent them looking the other way..... I'll have to read up on that. I think she also let down a red cord... out the window for them to go down and get away. She was the only one saved from God's wrath on that town, her and her family.I think we all agree though that lying just for the sake of lying is against God...am I right?But still I think that just lying to make someone feel good is not really right either.....:bible: Off to read.....

(Kahtre;65504)
Jordan,I do see where you are coming from. Ok lets say I was in that situation where someone wanted to murder my friend and wanted to know where they are and would hurt me if I did not tell them. What would I do? I would not tell them. And I would tell them why I will not tell them. But I don't think I would lie about it. Now you are right in that I would not tell them the truth about where they are, I would tell them nothing. "I used to think like you do as an Atheist. I can understand why rumour / lying is whenever appropiately to protect one's love."I'm not sure I understand what you mean...I am going to pray about this and study the word tonight. Just thought about something....Now I think there is a story about a harlot that helps followers of Jesus escape, if I am correct I think she lied to the people that came looking for them and sent them looking the other way..... I'll have to read up on that. I think she also let down a red cord... out the window for them to go down and get away. She was the only one saved from God's wrath on that town, her and her family.I think we all agree though that lying just for the sake of lying is against God...am I right?But still I think that just lying to make someone feel good is not really right either.....:bible: Off to read.....
1. Lying for the sake of lying is wrong.2. Lying to make one's self and/or someone else to make them feel good is also wrong. (IE men's tradition / lies preached instead of God's Words)3. Lying just to gain off something or someone is an abomination to God as well.4. Telling the Truth is also evil in some stance (like telling the murderer where the person(s) are at.)...But spreading rumours / lying to a murderer (example) who wants to murder them, just to protect those precious people you care for is completely different and is right in the eyes of God.

Why is God truth? And why does he expect the truth? Kahtre said it, don't say anything at all. If Jesus was to be put in that perdicament...would he lie? Absolutely not. Why is it different for us? You would lie because you don't trust in the Lord and what he has planned. Even in situations like these Jordan we shouldn't lie. God hates a lying tongue. If there were exceptions of when to lie, why would he hate the lying tongue? Fear of harm being done to your family, God knows you would feel that way. He knows all things and is the Creator of all. So whoever you deal with, deal truthfully. And I mean if that is all you would say is a lie, say nothing. Why wouldn't you speak of God to them? Help them reconsider what they are doing. There are so many other alternatives, rather than a lie. Why lie?

(chrissy;65532)
Why is God truth? And why does he expect the truth? Kahtre said it, don't say anything at all. If Jesus was to be put in that perdicament...would he lie? Absolutely not. Why is it different for us? You would lie because you don't trust in the Lord and what he has planned. Even in situations like these Jordan we shouldn't lie. God hates a lying tongue. If there were exceptions of when to lie, why would he hate the lying tongue? Fear of harm being done to your family, God knows you would feel that way. He knows all things and is the Creator of all. So whoever you deal with, deal truthfully. And I mean if that is all you would say is a lie, say nothing. Why wouldn't you speak of God to them? Help them reconsider what they are doing. There are so many other alternatives, rather than a lie. Why lie?
Why tell the Truth to a person who wants to murder a family member / friend and tell the Truth to a murderer about where your family / friend is at? What good is allowing evil to commit greater evil? Do you think God will just sit there and be pleased with us to let evil triumph?This is a situation where you have to make a quick split-second decision when you are put in a situation like this. Not a 1, 2, 3 or more hours to make a decision. So God sinned that He spread rumours as well?BTW, did you think Adolf Hitler would listen to someone for keep sharing God, but hates Him literally, just like that. There is a time for everything, quite frankly, he had to be killed to stop him from committing greater evil.

Thou shalt not kill. This is actually meant in the malicious, premeditated sense. In other words, don't murder which is malicious. Man must kill in order to protect, such as in war. Scripture does not state not to kill for protection and gives many examples where that was necessary.Thou shalt not bear false witness. This pertains to maliciously witnessing in order to cause harm to another. Scripture does not state not to use coercion to protect, such as keep another from harm. This incudes not only physical but emotional and Spiritual as well.Father wants us to use common sense which includes compassion towards others. To purposefully induce emotional pain on another when it is not necessary, is cruel and against God. If a Christian is nothing else, they are definitley compassionate and expressive of love for another.Consider Mary and Joseph for a moment. Mary being a young maiden becomes pregnant. Did the family tell the village that she was pregnant with the Son of God? No. They protected her. Joseph married her and claimed the child as his own. It was not made known who Jesus was until He was about 30 yrs. old when His mother told Him to accomplish His first miracle at a marriage celebration. He even stated to her that his time had not yet come.What happened all those yrs. in between. Joseph claimed Jesus as his son. By marriage He was but we all know the truth which was hidden in those days to protect Him.Abraham took Isaac up to the mountain for a sacrifice. Did he tell Sarah or Isaac the real purpose of the sacrifice? No. He protected them both from unnecessary emotional pain.Paul went to Rome and told no one that he was a Roman citizen. He purposefully waited until he had been beaten and then made it known. Why? He used it for coercion and leverage to protect himself. Sampson's strength was in his long hair yet he did not tell this to others. What do you think he stated? He probably told them all kinds of things, yet never the truth. He did this to protect himself and to accomplish God's Will for him. He was murdered because he told the truth.Joshua sent 2 spies into Jericho. Rahab hid them in her house and when soldiers came and asked for them, she denied that they were there and had hidden them. She did this to protect them from harm and consequently, protected herself and her family from harm; coercion.Jael intices the enemy general, Sisera, to come into her tent so that he might rest and be hidden. He believes her and when asleep, she ends his life. This saved tens of thousands of lives and protected the righteous people of God; military coercion.Again, bearing false witness or lying to cause harm, is an abomination to God. It has malicious intent. Misleading for the sake of protecting another is just common sense if done with wisdom.Cedarhart

"Kahtre said it, don't say anything at all." Chrissy states, "Fear of harm being done to your family, God knows you would feel that way. He knows all things and is the Creator of all. So whoever you deal with, deal truthfully. And I mean if that is all you would say is a lie, say nothing." Rev. 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. "If Jesus was to be put in that perdicament...would he lie? Absolutely not. Why is it different for us?" God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same. Therefore, what God did in the Old Testament, Christ did also. He sent rumors and delusions for the protection of His righteous children."You would lie because you don't trust in the Lord and what he has planned." God expects us to use our intelligence and common sense. If bad people want to murder your family, that is man's free will, NOT what the Lord has planned. Your logic would be the same as not seeking medical care for your loved one as it would be showing that "you don't trust in the Lord and what he has planned.""God hates a lying tongue. If there were exceptions of when to lie, why would he hate the lying tongue?" Because that "lying tongue" is a malicious one meant to only cause harm as in bearing false witness."Why wouldn't you speak of God to them? Help them reconsider what they are doing. There are so many other alternatives, rather than a lie. Why lie?"A murderer has free will which must be allowed for Judgement Day reasons. These people are not waiting for Scripture, they've heard about that. It would be naive to believe that you would be able to evangelize to them and turn them when no one else could. And handing over your family to murderers would be a betrayal to them.

John 8:44 (King James Version) 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.Alright, I got my prayer time and reading in, and I even had a conversation with my family about this. While doing that I think I got the answer I prayed for.Ok, yes we do lie to help people, we do kill to save people. But why do we do it? We are doing these things to stop killing, war, rape, beatings, torture.....all these things are of satan. Satan wants us to do these things. Satan loves that there are wars and that people have to kill, he loves that there are killers out there, and that we have to lie, kill and the Lord knows what else to try to save ourselves and others. HE LOVES IT. And we ARE put in positions to do them, and God knows our hearts. Sometimes I forget that this is NOT a perfect world, Jesus has not come yet. I know what is right, but in this world sometimes, right is wrong and wrong is right. Cedarhart says: to use "our intelligence and common sense". Bah! We have nothing without Christ. Our "intelligence" amounts to a hill of beans! In every situation we should go to God in prayer and submit our problems to him. Of course this is my perfect world again.....