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How many times do people have to make choices if and when they actually get on the highway of holiness toward God? Now we know that God is not a god of confusion, but is not any man who chooses any other pathway but God's walking in confusion?but again, that was not right after crossing the Sea of Reeds, when they were not choosing at all, Shekinah was leading, etc
yes, now i'm sure you have the wrong impression there, wadr, these two are being conflated now?How many that walked in the wilderness died there? Never to enter the promised land? This gives you an idea of an eternal destiny of those who are not dead in the lake of fire...not in the kingdom of God either...but are wanderers in the wilderness forever.
the point there is that the wilderness itself does not rep evil or lostness, as is being taughtIf God was leading and they were following how is that not making a choice...?
ok then make an argument at Christ being driven into the wilderness if you would,God was there and Moses was there, but the people were mostly blind.
boy, if most believers are to be believed, accepting Jesus with your mouth is the last choice you will ever make i guess; so i dunno quite how to answer hereHow many times do people have to make choices if and when they actually get on the highway of holiness toward God?
Matthew 18:11
[11] For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Ezekiel 34:16
[16] I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
Is this a different lost?
well, later, yes. But that does not mean "wilderness bad" like you seem to be forwarding imo. i mean after they left Egypt--and crossed the Yam Suph, but nevermind that part--God led them straight into the wilderness too right
"Behold, I will do something new, Now it will spring forth; Will you not be aware of it? I will even make a roadway in the wilderness, Rivers in the desert."
It is also believed that the parting of the four rivers took place in the garden after the fall of Adam and from there they proceeded. The Lord foreknew that because of the disobedience of Adam there would be opened to mankind four manners of life.
the point there is that the wilderness itself does not rep evil or lostness, as is being taught
God led His people into the wilderness before they rebelled, so the characterization that they were in/died in the wilderness bc they rebelled cannot be true then, even if it was later
ok, not sure how we got onto sin there, "wilderness" seems to be used in two different ways in Scripture, and both of these ways are symbolic of things that happen IRL i think? Somehow we're back to "wilderness bad" here, when no one here can find a single passage along the lines of "seek the center of the camp/tribe/nation," but rather "leave the camp."Okay, I understand what you are saying. It is not being in the wilderness that is sinful. It is the lack of faith that keeps you there until you di e that is sinful.
in a surface reading It doesn't, but many comparisons can be drawn i guess, that's how we get "concrete jungle," and my point was that Scripture has a way of saying one thing and meaning another; ostriches and owls and whatnot might describe people, and etc.You've lost me bbyrd...where in scripture does wilderness ever refer to a city...?
Jesus was also in the "wilderness" every day He spent on the earth, too, or at least in the world, where He was sent. Yes, He also was sent there to be "tested," but we also have references to wilderness as a refugeBut Jesus survived the wilderness temptation of His trust.
hey, same thing we could say about anyone in the world i guess rightSo as epi said, it's okay as long as you don't fail to trust and get stuck there until death.
the point there is that the wilderness itself does not rep evil or lostness, as is being taught
God led His people into the wilderness before they rebelled, so the characterization that they were in/died in the wilderness bc they rebelled cannot be true then, even if it was later
in a surface reading It doesn't, but many comparisons can be drawn i guess, that's how we get "concrete jungle," and my point was that Scripture has a way of saying one thing and meaning another; ostriches and owls and whatnot might describe people, and etc.
so, sorry for derailing here, hopefully the point seek the wilderness has been made to those who have crossed the Yam Suph
I can think of wilderness as a refuge in the instance where God says He will once again lead Israel into the desert and speak tenderly to her again...But then it is not the wilderness/ desert that is a refuge. It is the God with them who is their refuge. The wilderness/ desert is a harsh place with no water, wild animals, poisonous snakes and no McDonald's drive thrus.in a surface reading It doesn't, but many comparisons can be drawn i guess, that's how we get "concrete jungle," and my point was that Scripture has a way of saying one thing and meaning another; ostriches and owls and whatnot might describe people, and etc.
Jesus was also in the "wilderness" every day He spent on the earth, too, or at least in the world, where He was sent. Yes, He also was sent there to be "tested," but we also have references to wilderness as a refuge
hey, same thing we could say about anyone in the world i guess right
at least in a manner of speaking.