The Problem With The Trinity

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

justbyfaith said:
Personally, I do my best to keep the food laws of the Old Testament; while at the same time I know that I am a good minister of Jesus Christ to point out that there is nothing unclean of itself

Here, again, the KJV blew it by translating "koinos" as "unclean" instead of as "common" as they did in Acts 10:14. Men esteem certain foods as common, but YHWH declares what is unclean.

and that every creature of God is good and nothing to be refuse if it be received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Where are creatures "sanctified by the Word of God" as food? Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. You can pray over a slug or a cockroach all you want, but it will NEVER become clean.

LC627 · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
YHWH gave Peter the interpretation of the vision;

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The vision does NOT mean all unclean meats are now edible or that we can call unclean meats clean.

Mark 7:19 - For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

1 Timothy 4:2-4 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

stunnedbygrace said:
I believe that to say Jesus is not to be worshipped is not what the majority of Christian denominations teach. You rather expect from buddhists, Islamists and other religions, to hear that Jesus was simply a good man but not God.

There are some things that denominations have gotten right. Even a broken watch....You know.

In response to post #668.

1) You need to do a word study on the Hebrew and Greek words translated "worship" and 2) We are NEVER to worship Yeshua as though he is the "only true God". That is blatant idolatry. The "only true God" that deserves our worship is Yeshua's Father YHWH (John 17:3). We are to bow down to, reverence and honor the Son for who he is and for what he has done.

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

justbyfaith said:
Now that he is cast down to the earth, he fights by lying to the people and attempting to win them to his side; and by dissuading them from putting their trust in Christ the living God.

You say Christ is "the living God", but the Father revealed to Peter that Messiah is "the SON of the living God" (Matthew 16:16-17). I choose to believe the Father.

justbyfaith · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
YHWH gave Peter the interpretation of the vision;

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The vision does NOT mean all unclean meats are now edible or that we can call unclean meats clean.

YHWH gave Paul the interpretation of the vision. I am a good minister of Jesus Christ to point out to you and to remind the brethren of 1 Timothy 4:1-6. Also of importance are Mark 7:15-19, Luke 11:41, and Romans 14:14. And whatever long and drawn out explanation you might want to give to try and refute these scriptures are invalid because you have admitted that you are not a Christian. The Problem With The Trinity

justbyfaith · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
You say Christ is "the living God", but the Father revealed to Peter that Messiah is "the SON of the living God" (Matthew 16:16-17). I choose to believe the Father.

God revealed to Isaiah that the son is the everlasting Father. I choose to believe the Holy Spirit, who inspired that writing of Isaiah.

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

LC627 said:
Mark 7:19 - For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Of all Bible translations, the paraphrased NIV Bible is the worst translation of this verse. The words in blue are not in the Greek text. The KJV got this one correct;

Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

The NIV did not translate "εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα" "into the draught". Yeshua is teaching us that clean meat eaten with dirty hands cannot defile us because the excretory system purges the food into the privy or toilet.

1 Timothy 4:2-4 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,

See post #701.

justbyfaith · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
Of all Bible translations, the paraphrased NIV Bible is the worst translation of this verse. The words in blue are not in the Greek text. The KJV got this one correct;

Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

The NIV did not translate "εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα" "into the draught". Yeshua is teaching us that clean meat eaten with dirty hands cannot defile us because the excretory system purges the food into the privy or toilet.

See post #701.

Actually, gadar, Jesus said in context, in the kjv, that nothing that goes into a man can defile him.

justbyfaith · Oct 10, 2018

You can right click the permalink button (the post # of what you are referring to) to copy and paste the link to the post. That will make it easier for us to go to the posts you are referring to.

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

justbyfaith said:
YHWH gave Paul the interpretation of the vision. I am a good minister of Jesus Christ to point out to you and to remind the brethren of 1 Timothy 4:1-6. Also of importance are Mark 7:15-19, Luke 11:41, and Romans 14:14. And whatever long and drawn out explanation you might want to give to try and refute these scriptures are invalid because you have admitted that you are not a Christian. The Problem With The Trinity

A "good minister" who doesn't even know who received the vision and the interpretation? Peter received it, not Paul. A "good minister" would not quote Luke 11:41 to prove all food is clean. Yeshua was talking to the Pharisees who were living under the Old Covenant in which the Almighty declared certain meats unclean. According to the false teachings of Christians, unclean foods were not made clean until the cross and not before as you falsely teach.

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

justbyfaith said:
God revealed to Isaiah that the son is the everlasting Father. I choose to believe the Holy Spirit, who inspired that writing of Isaiah.

Isaiah didn't write "everlasting Father". Deceived English speaking trinitarian translators wrote that.

stunnedbygrace · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
1) You need to do a word study on the Hebrew and Greek words translated "worship" and 2) We are NEVER to worship Yeshua as though he is the "only true God". That is blatant idolatry. The "only true God" that deserves our worship is Yeshua's Father YHWH (John 17:3). We are to bow down to, reverence and honor the Son for who he is and for what he has done.

I don't hold out much hope that this verse will do any good but: to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

And again, an apostle called Him: my Lord and my God.

And again, about the Son God says: Your throne, O God, will last forever.

And the jews said of Him: you, a mere man, claim to be God.

And Jesus said: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am.

And there are many, many more.

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

justbyfaith said:
Actually, gadar, Jesus said in context, in the kjv, that nothing that goes into a man can defile him.

Yeshua summed up his teaching;

Mat 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

He was NOT teaching that unclean meat does not defile a man. YHWH already taught us that it DOES defile man (Leviticus 11);

Lev 11:44 For I am YHWH your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Lev 11:45 For I am YHWH that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

stunnedbygrace · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
Of all Bible translations, the paraphrased NIV Bible is the worst translation of this verse. The words in blue are not in the Greek text. The KJV got this one correct;

Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

The NIV did not translate "εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα" "into the draught". Yeshua is teaching us that clean meat eaten with dirty hands cannot defile us because the excretory system purges the food into the privy or toilet.

See post #701.

Jesus also said, it is not what a man puts in his mouth that defiles him.
But you say what a man puts in his mouth DOES defile him.
Should we listen to our Lord or should we listen to you, a mere man?

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

stunnedbygrace said:
I don't hold out much hope that this verse will do any good but: to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

And again, an apostle called Him: my Lord and my God.

And again, about the Son God says: Your throne, O God, will last forever.

And the jews said of Him: you, a mere man, claim to be God.

And Jesus said: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am.

And there are many, many more.

I will not reply to posts that "throw the book" at me. As I told you before, all these verses are addressed in this thread. Read it. However, if you would like me to comment on one verse, I'll be glad to.

stunnedbygrace · Oct 10, 2018

It is throwing a book at someone to give them relevant verses?

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

stunnedbygrace said:
Jesus also said, it is not what a man puts in his mouth that defiles him.
But you say what a man puts in his mouth DOES defile him.
Should we listen to our Lord or should we listen to you, a mere man?

You should listen to Yeshua's Father YHWH just as Yeshua did and not listen to the deceived commentaries of people who could care less about obeying YHWH.

gadar perets · Oct 10, 2018

stunnedbygrace said:
It is throwing a book at someone to give them relevant verses?

I can quote hordes of relevant verses back at you. Will that get us anywhere? No, because the person receiving them is so overwhelmed that they can't reply effectively. I do not wish to stuff too much meat in your mouth. Small pieces are easier to swallow and digest.

stunnedbygrace · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
You should listen to Yeshua's Father YHWH just as Yeshua did and not listen to the deceived commentaries of people who could care less about obeying YHWH.

mathe w 15:11 is a commentary...?

stunnedbygrace · Oct 10, 2018

gadar perets said:
I can quote hordes of relevant verses back at you. Will that get us anywhere? No, because the person receiving them is so overwhelmed that they can't reply effectively. I do not wish to stuff too much meat in your mouth. Small pieces are easier to swallow and digest.

The meat you offer is foul.

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