I have seen a lot of misunderstanding of evolution around here. In biology today our teacher explained it to us. I at first asked her well do you believe in it she said yes then she explained. Evolution is a theory,just as Gravity is. They actually do have proof of evolution I am not saying we came from monkeys that is a complete misunderstanding.She was saying not that we came from goop or monkeys or fish whatever,she was saying that it means we adapt to our surroundings and this is true. Look you see how we have to create new medicine,new vaccines,new pestisides, because the insects adapt and it no longer harms them,and look at bacteria we constantly are finding new ways to cure that,but it evolves and adapts to it. So evolution is not the cause of coming from monkeys or anything like that it just shows how we adapt and stuff. Again they do have proof of this. So I see no problem in evolution
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The big deal with the evolution they like to promote is the very evolution the teacher apparently does not adhere to. Adaption is withing creation and ID as well, but Darwinism and the evolution from sludge and the big bang is the problem as well as the theory of millions of years.
We are all "sludge". Every atom that is "you" was once someone else, a chair, a rock, a dog, and before that a planet, an asteroid, a star, cosmic dust, and before that condensed into a singularity. When you die, all that is "you" will transition into something else (your ear atoms could end up as the transmission in someones truck), and 1000 years from now the atoms will possibly be dispersed to all corners of the planet, if not the solar system and galaxy.The atoms themselves are composed of sub-atomic particles which are simply manifestations of energy. Light is energy, sound waves are energy, ipods are energy, people are energy. Everything sans space is energy.Energy is in a constant flux and how we perceive energy relates to how we perceive time. Since we perceive time at an extremely slow rate, things appear to be fixed and separate, when in-fact they are in motion and transitioning.People do not like this because it erodes away at their uniqueness and affects how they feel about themselves, so they fight it.
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We are all "sludge". Every atom that is "you" was once someone else, a chair, a rock, a dog, and before that a planet, an asteroid, a star, cosmic dust, and before that condensed into a singularity. When you die, all that is "you" will transition into something else (your ear atoms could end up as the transmission in someones truck), and 1000 years from now the atoms will possibly be dispersed to all corners of the planet, if not the solar system and galaxy.The atoms themselves are composed of sub-atomic particles which are simply manifestations of energy. Light is energy, sound waves are energy, ipods are energy, people are energy. Everything sans space is energy.Energy is in a constant flux and how we perceive energy relates to how we perceive time. Since we perceive time at an extremely slow rate, things appear to be fixed and separate, when in-fact they are in motion and transitioning.People do not like this because it erodes away at their uniqueness and affects how they feel about themselves, so they fight it.
And you call yourself a Christian. You really need to read your Bible. You promote much of this belief system you adhere to but deny the truth of the Bible. I believe evolution is explained within the Bible, but not as the theories the secular world likes to promote.
We are all "sludge". Every atom that is "you" was once someone else, a chair, a rock, a dog, and before that a planet, an asteroid, a star, cosmic dust, and before that condensed into a singularity. When you die, all that is "you" will transition into something else (your ear atoms could end up as the transmission in someones truck), and 1000 years from now the atoms will possibly be dispersed to all corners of the planet, if not the solar system and galaxy.The atoms themselves are composed of sub-atomic particles which are simply manifestations of energy. Light is energy, sound waves are energy, ipods are energy, people are energy. Everything sans space is energy.Energy is in a constant flux and how we perceive energy relates to how we perceive time. Since we perceive time at an extremely slow rate, things appear to be fixed and separate, when in-fact they are in motion and transitioning.People do not like this because it erodes away at their uniqueness and affects how they feel about themselves, so they fight it.
And you call yourself a Christian. You really need to read your Bible. You promote much of this belief system you adhere to but deny the truth of the Bible. I believe evolution is explained within the Bible, but not as the theories the secular world likes to promote.
Im not a Christian. All I stated is that I have a personal relationship with Jesus. I do not believe in the Bible.Anyways, most of what I stated is scientific fact. The only "theory" part was in reference to the singularity. So its not so much a belief-system but more-so established reality.The same processes that lead to these conclusions are the same that lead to the development of the transistors in that computer you are using, which is based on physics /quantum mechanics.Or is that a "belief" also?
It is a beli8ef that people think they know more than what they do. In reality, the more they think they know the more questions the comeup with.
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Well, reality is complex. Complex systems have complex answers.
Too complex to have happened by chance.Hey, maybe God made it. Have you ever thought about that? :bible::angel10:
Well, reality is complex. Complex systems have complex answers.
Too complex to have happened by chance.Hey, maybe God made it. Have you ever thought about that? :bible::angel10:
The theory of evolution, and especially the 'survival of the fittest' part, inspired Eugenics.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EugenicsEugenics was really big in Nazi Germany, and inspired genocide.Not too many teachers and scientists like to mention those links.But if you really want to see the theory of evolution in action, and what can go wrong with this type of thinking - just look at the holocaust.Was it a co-incidence that the theory of evolution was used as an excuse to exterminate the Jewish race?
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I have seen a lot of misunderstanding of evolution around here. In biology today our teacher explained it to us. I at first asked her well do you believe in it she said yes then she explained. Evolution is a theory,just as Gravity is. They actually do have proof of evolution I am not saying we came from monkeys that is a complete misunderstanding.She was saying not that we came from goop or monkeys or fish whatever,she was saying that it means we adapt to our surroundings and this is true. Look you see how we have to create new medicine,new vaccines,new pestisides, because the insects adapt and it no longer harms them,and look at bacteria we constantly are finding new ways to cure that,but it evolves and adapts to it. So evolution is not the cause of coming from monkeys or anything like that it just shows how we adapt and stuff. Again they do have proof of this. So I see no problem in evolution
When we adapt to our surroundings we adapt to our surroundings.Period. The evolutionist always starts with that statement and then leaps it forward as some type of proof that the reptile grew wings because it needed to fly.Using that logic there are 5 billion people who would certainly like to fly , we should be sprouting wings by now.When pesticides are sprayed it only kills 95% of the target insect. The remaining 5% live and reproduce because the spray did not kill them , not because they adapted.To say they evolved ahead of time to be un-affected by a spray that did not previously exist stretches all human understanding. Even Charles Darwin had his doubts here in his own words ........Firstly, why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined? But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. Charles Darwin.
I have seen a lot of misunderstanding of evolution around here. In biology today our teacher explained it to us. I at first asked her well do you believe in it she said yes then she explained. Evolution is a theory,just as Gravity is. They actually do have proof of evolution I am not saying we came from monkeys that is a complete misunderstanding.She was saying not that we came from goop or monkeys or fish whatever,she was saying that it means we adapt to our surroundings and this is true. Look you see how we have to create new medicine,new vaccines,new pestisides, because the insects adapt and it no longer harms them,and look at bacteria we constantly are finding new ways to cure that,but it evolves and adapts to it. So evolution is not the cause of coming from monkeys or anything like that it just shows how we adapt and stuff. Again they do have proof of this. So I see no problem in evolution
When we adapt to our surroundings we adapt to our surroundings.Period. The evolutionist always starts with that statement and then leaps it forward as some type of proof that the reptile grew wings because it needed to fly.Using that logic there are 5 billion people who would certainly like to fly , we should be sprouting wings by now.When pesticides are sprayed it only kills 95% of the target insect. The remaining 5% live and reproduce because the spray did not kill them , not because they adapted.To say they evolved ahead of time to be un-affected by a spray that did not previously exist stretches all human understanding. Even Charles Darwin had his doubts here in his own words ........Firstly, why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined? But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. Charles Darwin.
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When we adapt to our surroundings we adapt to our surroundings.Period. The evolutionist always starts with that statement and then leaps it forward as some type of proof that the reptile grew wings because it needed to fly.Using that logic there are 5 billion people who would certainly like to fly , we should be sprouting wings by now.When pesticides are sprayed it only kills 95% of the target insect. The remaining 5% live and reproduce because the spray did not kill them , not because they adapted.To say they evolved ahead of time to be un-affected by a spray that did not previously exist stretches all human understanding. Even Charles Darwin had his doubts here in his own words ........Firstly, why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined? But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. Charles Darwin.
I see what your saying!! Thanks for the replys
When we adapt to our surroundings we adapt to our surroundings.Period. The evolutionist always starts with that statement and then leaps it forward as some type of proof that the reptile grew wings because it needed to fly.Using that logic there are 5 billion people who would certainly like to fly , we should be sprouting wings by now.When pesticides are sprayed it only kills 95% of the target insect. The remaining 5% live and reproduce because the spray did not kill them , not because they adapted.To say they evolved ahead of time to be un-affected by a spray that did not previously exist stretches all human understanding. Even Charles Darwin had his doubts here in his own words ........Firstly, why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined? But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. Charles Darwin.
I see what your saying!! Thanks for the replys
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I see what your saying!! Thanks for the replys
Thanks ForYouI think my frustration stems from otherwise intelligent teachers and professors who apply completely useless ideas to bolster the evolution theory.For example if we took 100 dogs from every variety and put them in the far north country only about 30 of them would survive. The evolutionist will tell me that proves survival of the fittest and natural selection.I say that it prooves short haired dogs will freeze to death in the cold temperatures. Also the short haired pups born will not survive. Eventually you end up with one predominant type of long haired dog that has adapted to the surroundings.If you take 100 of these surviving dogs back to warmer climates the original genetics are still there and an occasional short hair version will be born and survive and before you know it you end up with a complete variety of dogs again.This brings us to the modern day study of genetics , DNA , and origins of life . In these studies Darwinism and evolutionism has fallen flat on its face and is bleeding all over the place. As an escape clause most scientists are referring quietly to a theory of "Intelligent design" to ease their dilema.Sounds like a creator to me.Many thanksArnie M.
I see what your saying!! Thanks for the replys
Thanks ForYouI think my frustration stems from otherwise intelligent teachers and professors who apply completely useless ideas to bolster the evolution theory.For example if we took 100 dogs from every variety and put them in the far north country only about 30 of them would survive. The evolutionist will tell me that proves survival of the fittest and natural selection.I say that it prooves short haired dogs will freeze to death in the cold temperatures. Also the short haired pups born will not survive. Eventually you end up with one predominant type of long haired dog that has adapted to the surroundings.If you take 100 of these surviving dogs back to warmer climates the original genetics are still there and an occasional short hair version will be born and survive and before you know it you end up with a complete variety of dogs again.This brings us to the modern day study of genetics , DNA , and origins of life . In these studies Darwinism and evolutionism has fallen flat on its face and is bleeding all over the place. As an escape clause most scientists are referring quietly to a theory of "Intelligent design" to ease their dilema.Sounds like a creator to me.Many thanksArnie M.
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We are all "sludge". Every atom that is "you" was once someone else, a chair, a rock, a dog, and before that a planet, an asteroid, a star, cosmic dust, and before that condensed into a singularity. When you die, all that is "you" will transition into something else (your ear atoms could end up as the transmission in someones truck), and 1000 years from now the atoms will possibly be dispersed to all corners of the planet, if not the solar system and galaxy.The atoms themselves are composed of sub-atomic particles which are simply manifestations of energy. Light is energy, sound waves are energy, ipods are energy, people are energy. Everything sans space is energy.Energy is in a constant flux and how we perceive energy relates to how we perceive time. Since we perceive time at an extremely slow rate, things appear to be fixed and separate, when in-fact they are in motion and transitioning.People do not like this because it erodes away at their uniqueness and affects how they feel about themselves, so they fight it.
We humans think we are pretty smart because we discovered the atom in the last 100 years or so.The truth is atoms have been there all along , we just discovered them. I find it interesting that thousands of years ago it was written in the bible that everything that can be seen is made up of things that cannot be seen. Sounds like atoms to me.As far as us being converted back to atoms again long after we die , yes , back to dust we go says the bible.However somewhere in the bible it says at the ressurection , the sea will give up its dead , the graves will give up the dead and all those atoms will be re-constituted to bodies that will never see death again. I can not comprehend how all that works , but the one who created the atom tells me he has it all figured out.If your car transmission fails at the ressurection you will know that was my atoms leaving for a better place.Best wishes in your researchArnie M.
We are all "sludge". Every atom that is "you" was once someone else, a chair, a rock, a dog, and before that a planet, an asteroid, a star, cosmic dust, and before that condensed into a singularity. When you die, all that is "you" will transition into something else (your ear atoms could end up as the transmission in someones truck), and 1000 years from now the atoms will possibly be dispersed to all corners of the planet, if not the solar system and galaxy.The atoms themselves are composed of sub-atomic particles which are simply manifestations of energy. Light is energy, sound waves are energy, ipods are energy, people are energy. Everything sans space is energy.Energy is in a constant flux and how we perceive energy relates to how we perceive time. Since we perceive time at an extremely slow rate, things appear to be fixed and separate, when in-fact they are in motion and transitioning.People do not like this because it erodes away at their uniqueness and affects how they feel about themselves, so they fight it.
We humans think we are pretty smart because we discovered the atom in the last 100 years or so.The truth is atoms have been there all along , we just discovered them. I find it interesting that thousands of years ago it was written in the bible that everything that can be seen is made up of things that cannot be seen. Sounds like atoms to me.As far as us being converted back to atoms again long after we die , yes , back to dust we go says the bible.However somewhere in the bible it says at the ressurection , the sea will give up its dead , the graves will give up the dead and all those atoms will be re-constituted to bodies that will never see death again. I can not comprehend how all that works , but the one who created the atom tells me he has it all figured out.If your car transmission fails at the ressurection you will know that was my atoms leaving for a better place.Best wishes in your researchArnie M.
Here I go again , sorry everybody.The atom could not have just come about by accident or by chance. It is impossible.There is enough atomic energy in a cup of coffee to boil all the water out of all the oceans in the whole world. The same atom in my coffee can be found in a marine fossil on Mount Everest. These atoms have a design and function that could not have come about by random chance. The atom could not have harnessed all this energy by itself. A divided atom releases a huge amount of electricity (explosion). The two halves of an atom could not join together without the reverse gathering and confining of this energy. It is impossible to happen by random chance.Sincere apologies to the monkey people.Arnie M.
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I have seen a lot of misunderstanding of evolution around here. In biology today our teacher explained it to us. I at first asked her well do you believe in it she said yes then she explained.Evolution is a theory,just as Gravity is. They actually do have proof of evolution I am not saying we came from monkeys that is a complete misunderstanding.She was saying not that we came from goop or monkeys or fish whatever,she was saying that it means we adapt to our surroundings and this is true. Look you see how we have to create new medicine,new vaccines,new pestisides, because the insects adapt and it no longer harms them,and look at bacteria we constantly are finding new ways to cure that,but it evolves and adapts to it.So evolution is not the cause of coming from monkeys or anything like that it just shows how we adapt and stuff. Again they do have proof of this. So I see no problem in evolution
I don't believe in evolution, its just a theory and it should stay that way. But in the case of adaptation, I totally agree. It makes perfect sense. During the ice ages humans where shorter and skin and bone was slightly thicker, this is completely reasonable as it makes it easier and more efficient to conserve heat. So humans have adapted over the centuries but evolving from monkeys or fish or whatever...well that is completely bogus. That sounds better in a science fiction novel then it does in any logical or reasonable society. Buuuut this is just my opinion.
I have seen a lot of misunderstanding of evolution around here. In biology today our teacher explained it to us. I at first asked her well do you believe in it she said yes then she explained.Evolution is a theory,just as Gravity is. They actually do have proof of evolution I am not saying we came from monkeys that is a complete misunderstanding.She was saying not that we came from goop or monkeys or fish whatever,she was saying that it means we adapt to our surroundings and this is true. Look you see how we have to create new medicine,new vaccines,new pestisides, because the insects adapt and it no longer harms them,and look at bacteria we constantly are finding new ways to cure that,but it evolves and adapts to it.So evolution is not the cause of coming from monkeys or anything like that it just shows how we adapt and stuff. Again they do have proof of this. So I see no problem in evolution
I don't believe in evolution, its just a theory and it should stay that way. But in the case of adaptation, I totally agree. It makes perfect sense. During the ice ages humans where shorter and skin and bone was slightly thicker, this is completely reasonable as it makes it easier and more efficient to conserve heat. So humans have adapted over the centuries but evolving from monkeys or fish or whatever...well that is completely bogus. That sounds better in a science fiction novel then it does in any logical or reasonable society. Buuuut this is just my opinion.
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What evolution IS is a lie of the devil. It claims that we evolved from ooze in the ocean into lower life forms, becoming fish, getting rid of our scales and fins and coming onto land, living in trees and swinging by our tail, losing our tail, growing arms and legs, learning to walk upright as our body changed into something more human-like, and then evolved more from there. At that rate, we should evolve into beings of pure energy in a few million (or billion) more years--like on Star Trek.
I do believe in ADAPTING to our environment, but that is not evolution, which is changing from one species into another entirely different one. That's why we have different skin colors and facial types. I once read about people in a primitive country where they climbed trees for fruit. Their toes had grown into two large toes that made climbing the trees much easier. That is adapting and not evolving. They were still human but had adapted to their way of life.
"But if you really want to see the theory of evolution in action, and what can go wrong with this type of thinking - just look at the holocaust.Was it a co-incidence that the theory of evolution was used as an excuse to exterminate the Jewish race?"I find this type of thinking detrimental to any sort of positive conversation... Do you really believe that people who acknowledge evolution as a scientific theory are predisposed to violence?Please, don't invoke the tragic deaths of others in order to prove a point. What you're doing is paramount to accusing 'evolutionists' with conspiracy to commit murder, and that’s not something to undertake lightly. What it comes down to is that even if Hitler had done every despicable thing’s he did in the name of 'Darwinism'; it would not disprove anything in the evolutionary theory. Perhaps he was just a psychopathic and greedy murderer with a superiority complex?
What you're all referring to when you speak of "adaptation" is actually "micro-evolution" and it constituted 100% of Darwin's observations.The fundamental problem with "macro-evolution" (the notion that one species became another through micro-evolution) is that it:-Assumes that there are no limits to structural adaptation (ie. if 200 generations of salamanders pass and the average length of their legs decreases by 1.5mm than it's perfectly plausible that the legs would disappear entirely and we'd have a snake!)To the evolutionist this is perfectly plausible because he, along with most of the scientific community believes that "The present is the key to the past" This is the only way they can use empiricism (scrutiny using the five senses) to explain things that we obviously can't observe... because they claim that they happened millions of years ago.But this ignores the mathematical principle of "limit." I could talk about this stuff all day.
Our God really is so glorious. What a wonderful thing to marvel in the beauty and complexity of his creation!I don't have a problem with people believing in evolution. I do have a problem with people taking glory from God, glory he is due.
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