Of what? Further more where is the evidence that the view you have is the correct one?
Question about the whore of babylon
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If you look for spices etc, instead of what they represent, you'll be led astray in trying to recognize Babylon (another symbol).
I'll ask again what are the items symbols of and what evidence do you have of you view being the correct one
You cannot understand Revelation until you understand Jesus' teaching on the kingdom. His teaching on Israel, and the Church. The Restoration of Israel. And what the other NT writers say about the Rapture and Christ's return. Start here, and then proceed to Revelation using what these all say as a guide.
If you do not understand the basics according to Jesus and the NT writers, you will end up adding your ideas to the book which is strictly forbidden and warned against.
There's nothing in the new testament to suggest the whore of babylon is multiple things
It is a symbol and you can find it in history. The biggie is the Roman Catholic Church.
Would you please make sense of what you're saying, is the whore of babylon the vatican or not?
Hello Andrew,
I see you are wanting to look beyond the traditional opinions of men and come into a better understanding of the Book of Revelation.
I agree with you that there are people who claim that they have God's understanding but in reality they are pushing their own understanding that they themselves have come to.
I have been search out the truth in the scriptures and it is surprising where the gems are hidden in all of the scriptures that provides clues to help us understand what's God's overall plan for the salvation of the world is.
For example, how should we understand for example Daniel 7.
Just in the above two verses we have to come to understand a number of things: -
1. The four winds of heaven are four wicked fallen demonic angels. Paul tells us that we are fighting against them in: -
Another witness is found in Isaiah 24:21-23: -
I will not attempt to unpack this passage, except to say that the English translation leave a lot of information out that is hidden within the Hebrew texts which suggests that the "hosts of exalted ones" are the "spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places," that Paul mentions in Ephesian 6:12 above.
John in Revelation 12:7-9 confirms for us the above passage concerning the judgement of the heavenly hosts in heaven and that they will be kicked out of heaven and come down to the face of the earth: -
And in Daniel 7:-12 also tells us about this same event, but from a different observation by the writer: -
My experience, is that not all of these scripture passages were revealed to me at the same time, but they jumped out at me over a number of years.
2. The great sea represents all of the people of the earth.
3. The beasts rising up out of the sea represent the people who have chosen to inhabit the respective dominion of the wicked heavenly hosts who are also described as beasts, for a period of time, and exhibit the dominate characteristic of their respective wicked heavenly host, i.e. beast. This explanation of the beasts rising up out of the sea helps to explain how the same characteristic of a wicked heavenly hosts can manifest themselves at different times in man's history in different locations and within different people groups.
The above understanding came over ten - fifteen ears of searching the bible. I had to have patience and diligence in rereading the bible until these clues jumped as it were off of the pages of the bible and confirmed my understanding.
Do I understand all of the Book of revelation? No, I do not. However, as I patiently continue to search the scriptures, my understanding of them is growing. I have yet to come to a fuller understanding of who/what Mystery Babylon is.
May the Lord give you wisdom and patience and diligence to continue searching for understand of what he has recorded in the scriptures.
Shalom
PS: - We do not need to come to the same understanding because we are looking into God's word from different window vantage points and consequently will see the same event from a very different point of view, but the outcome of the observed event will be the same.
I see you are wanting to look beyond the traditional opinions of men and come into a better understanding of the Book of Revelation.
I agree with you that there are people who claim that they have God's understanding but in reality they are pushing their own understanding that they themselves have come to.
I have been search out the truth in the scriptures and it is surprising where the gems are hidden in all of the scriptures that provides clues to help us understand what's God's overall plan for the salvation of the world is.
For example, how should we understand for example Daniel 7.
Daniel 7:2-3: - 2 Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.
Just in the above two verses we have to come to understand a number of things: -
- Who or what are the four winds of heaven?
- Who or what is the great sea?
- Who or what are the four great beasts that come up out of the seas.
1. The four winds of heaven are four wicked fallen demonic angels. Paul tells us that we are fighting against them in: -
Ephesians 6:12 - 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Another witness is found in Isaiah 24:21-23: -
Isaiah 24:21-23: -
21 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
23 Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
23 Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.
John in Revelation 12:7-9 confirms for us the above passage concerning the judgement of the heavenly hosts in heaven and that they will be kicked out of heaven and come down to the face of the earth: -
Revelation 12:7-9: - 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And in Daniel 7:-12 also tells us about this same event, but from a different observation by the writer: -
Daniel 7:9-12: -
11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.
2. The great sea represents all of the people of the earth.
3. The beasts rising up out of the sea represent the people who have chosen to inhabit the respective dominion of the wicked heavenly hosts who are also described as beasts, for a period of time, and exhibit the dominate characteristic of their respective wicked heavenly host, i.e. beast. This explanation of the beasts rising up out of the sea helps to explain how the same characteristic of a wicked heavenly hosts can manifest themselves at different times in man's history in different locations and within different people groups.
The above understanding came over ten - fifteen ears of searching the bible. I had to have patience and diligence in rereading the bible until these clues jumped as it were off of the pages of the bible and confirmed my understanding.
Do I understand all of the Book of revelation? No, I do not. However, as I patiently continue to search the scriptures, my understanding of them is growing. I have yet to come to a fuller understanding of who/what Mystery Babylon is.
May the Lord give you wisdom and patience and diligence to continue searching for understand of what he has recorded in the scriptures.
Shalom
PS: - We do not need to come to the same understanding because we are looking into God's word from different window vantage points and consequently will see the same event from a very different point of view, but the outcome of the observed event will be the same.
So be it. I apologise for providing you will what I have found useful in my searching for understanding of the Book of Revelation.
May the Lord give you wisdom and patience and diligence to continue searching for understand of what he has recorded in the scriptures with respect to Mystery Babylon.
Shalom
You did get an answer. The whore of Babylon is a symbolic woman who represents the sum total of all pagan and false religions and idolatry, which come to a head under Satan and the Antichrist. Since the RCC represents false Christianity, that religious system is also included.
All pagan religious systems are idolatrous, and all of them have false gods. But who originated idolatry (Q) The one who desires that he receive the worship that is solely due to God -- Satan, the Devil, that Old Serpent, the Dragon. You will find snake worship, serpent worship, and dragon worship in all the pagan religions around the world. But this will all come to a head when the Antichrist takes total control of the world and its inhabitants for 3.5 years (forty and two months).
REVELATION 13
1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were asthe feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
In the old testament everyone who is called a whore was once in a spiritual relationship with god, since the whore of babylon is called a whore doesn't that mean the whore was once in a relationship with God, please help me i'm confused and terrified
@Andrew Kind hi. Here's a link you will find interesting I am sure. The Beast, The Dragon and The Woman | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts
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