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Hi CroonerWould it be possible , using your own words , to give us a few examples of Desmond Ford's teaching on this subject.Much appreciated.Arnie M.

But even the prophets of the Old Testaments spoke things about the future that they did not understand. We are not in error when we are futurists. Only when we abandon the proper Biblical interpretation of those symbols. Take for example the woman laboring to give birth in Rev 12. the OT, Micah 4:1-5:3 explains this very well. The time frame of the prophecy is the last days, the woman is Israel, she labors to be re-united to her brethren who do not believe. In 5:3 we read, He will give them until the time until she who is in labor has borne a child. Then the remainder of his brethren will return to the sons of Israel. And He will arise and sheperd His flock...' The He, is the one from Bethlehem, 5:2, The woman is Israel. The birth is their belief in the one from Bethlem! Really rather easy. Historical but futurist. samy

What does he do with he passage I just mentioned to you from Rev 12? samy

I have not heard of this man so I cant judge him but going from you description it sounds like the same thing that was taught for years before knowledge increased and events stared to happen that we could understand and put in perspective.I have always said the only way to interpret scripture is with scripture I also have said there is little in the new testament that is not in the old testament one way or another Its often (now)called type teaching, as God says there is nothing new under the sun everything that happened before will happen again in type. There is a danger in type teaching as many do not recognize it as a type, that is a forerunner of what will happen and instead teach it as something that already was fulfilled and over with. When in fact it is just a type of what will happen in the future.this is how the bible was taught for years as we did not understand until the later times and the generations that these things would happen to was born and knowledge increased Example:it would have hard to figure out how Israel would become a nation again after two thousand years until it happened in 1948. And sense most all future prophecy has to do with Israel in whole or part there would have been no way to fully understand scripture in a futurist way.And yes there is much symbolism in revelation and much of it is explained in the old testament especially if one understands Jewish customs but there is also literal and future events. If one thinks Rev. isnt future you are going down the wrong track no matter how interesting you may find a teaching be careful lots of people can easily get caught up in type teaching because its right teaching in many cases but its also just a type of something to yet come. A fact that easily can get lost if ones not carefulbut that being said I haven't listened to this person so can not judge him until I hear what he says.

A lot of prophecies in Daniel, especially that huge statue in Nebuchadnezzars dream, have already been fulfilled. I can't listen to the tapes now, I have to leave for school.

Thats true but there have been many fulfilled prochecy but there are many not yet fulfilled so when one teaches that a future prochecy wont happen because it already did we are left with confusion. And God is not the author of confusion.Example some teach the destruction of the temple by Titus in 70 AD is what Revelation is refering to. That is wrong it was only a type of what is to come as scripture clearly points out. But if you ignore the scripture that places this in future context and apply only the verse's that match the type of the past it appears to sound right.Because it has some basis in fact but it leaves out the rest of the verse's that place it as a future event. Leaving scripture out because it doesnt fit your ideas is as bad as twisting the ones that are there.

No Its the Word of God not guess's the very sign of a true prophet is he is 100% correct 100% of the time And surley we have no better prophet than Gods Words.If anyone claims this, that all prophecy doesnt have to happen, then they are looking for a reasons to make the Bible fittheir own ideas instead of Letting God tell you what he says will happen. This is mans attempt to pick and chose what they want to hear (itchey ears)

crooner, when we read the commentaries on Revelation we see that those who wrote them believed that the book was written about their immediatate experiences, either happening or shortly to come, cloaked in symbols to protect them from the Roman officials. Whatever, they were wrong. So people back then did not understand it in their time. samy

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