As I think back to my early days as a Christian, the 'hero' of the hour among those I hung with was a dude by the name of Oral Roberts. I may be wrong but I think he started this whole seed thing...it germinated alright and became a massive thorn in the side of the church.
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Massive thorn....agree.
If he didn't start it, he promoted it.
It is Prosperity teaching, or in short, Get rich with Jesus.
Sowing spiritual seeds has nothing to do with money, and everthing to do with spiritual increase.
Look to Paul for example;
(Thirsty, Hungry, Raggy clothes, homeless, horribly treated, beaten)
Triedlessly sowed spiritual seeds through his teaching and exalting Christ Jesus, and was without material gain, while spiritually rich.
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Please do not claim, or assume , that I am ignorent - or make the assumption that I worship the false Jesus. I simply was expressing my concerns about one continuous argument about the subject of sexual abuse. Protestants are as guilty as the Catholics - so regardless of what side anyone is on, neither should be presuming that one side holds more guilt or responsibility than the other.
My comments do not reflect how or where I stand with regards to the ' revelations ' you think that you have only just made me aware of...... and you have chosen to judge me and reach the conclusion that I do not follow the Jesus of scripture , that is to your peril.
I have as much right on this forum to be critical if I choose to be - so please do not presume to be in charge of what I can and cannot do.
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Seed faith planting vs the ragman, the Christ. What a chasm between the two.
Jesus leaning against a wall watching the antics of men.
Word of faith teachers flying to a speaking engagement in their Learjet vs Paul sewing rough camel skins to earn for himself and others. What a chasm between the two.
A multi millionaire woman Christian speaker with a lavish housing compound for her and for her grown children vs Paul a shipwrecked prisoner of christ on his way to Rome to be executed. What a chasm between the two.
Another word of faith teacher I heard boasting that he was a millionaire vs Jesus saying he didn't have a place to lay his head. What a chasm between the two.
Christian women in women's catty ways putting my wife down for not being able to bear children. But Jesus came and told us of the son he was sending us. He did it and the snide comments stopped. What a chasm between the two.
A denominational preacher at a revival boasting of his righteousness and projecting a message of condemnation in the stead of conviction. Broadcasting his self righteousness vs a wretchedly self condemned sinner, a man that knew he was not good, vowed to himself he'd never set foot in a church again. He could never measure up to this man. To these people. No great chasm between these two. Both need to repent before God for their wretched sins. This is a true story I once witnessed.
The one needed chastising and rebuke. The other needed to know that Jesus came for all such as him. That there was a place for him at the Master's table.
Jesus leaning against a wall watching the antics of men.
Word of faith teachers flying to a speaking engagement in their Learjet vs Paul sewing rough camel skins to earn for himself and others. What a chasm between the two.
A multi millionaire woman Christian speaker with a lavish housing compound for her and for her grown children vs Paul a shipwrecked prisoner of christ on his way to Rome to be executed. What a chasm between the two.
Another word of faith teacher I heard boasting that he was a millionaire vs Jesus saying he didn't have a place to lay his head. What a chasm between the two.
Christian women in women's catty ways putting my wife down for not being able to bear children. But Jesus came and told us of the son he was sending us. He did it and the snide comments stopped. What a chasm between the two.
A denominational preacher at a revival boasting of his righteousness and projecting a message of condemnation in the stead of conviction. Broadcasting his self righteousness vs a wretchedly self condemned sinner, a man that knew he was not good, vowed to himself he'd never set foot in a church again. He could never measure up to this man. To these people. No great chasm between these two. Both need to repent before God for their wretched sins. This is a true story I once witnessed.
The one needed chastising and rebuke. The other needed to know that Jesus came for all such as him. That there was a place for him at the Master's table.
And institutions such as Oral Roberts University and other Bible colleges, universities, seminaries, relentlessly churn out cloned copies of these pretenders and charlatans who idolize mammon and lead countless souls into spiritual wastelands where integrity and Bible truth long ago dropped off the bottom of the list of endangered species and became extinct.
To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20
My son left ORU after two years because of the shallow concepts.
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And this post is an exercise in logical stupidity so I'll dumb it down even more . . .
If Mary is sinless – SOMEBODY made her that way. Uhhhh, that would be her Savior.
There ends the lesson because I can't dumb it down any more for you . . .
She Isn't.
Her body was born in sin, and died, and is laying rotting in her grave returning to dust from whence her body came.
Glory to God, "HIS" word is TRUE.
Ecc 3:20
All came from dust and all return to the dust.
Side note for the Dense;
All is speaking of All Created creatures.
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The point is, Einstein – Rom. 3:23 NEVER implies that the “ALL” being referred to are only refer to “Men of dust”. In your ignorant literalism – YOU have deemed that this verse is talking about ALL people – no ifs ands or buts. A REAL Scripture student would understand this verse uses inclusive language because it excludes infants who can’t sin, severely retarded people who don’t have full use of their faculties - and JESUS Himself.LOL ~
Sorry you didn't learn in your Catholic Church the Scriptures are WIDELY known to be written FOR "ALL" men created out of dust...
That does not apply to Jesus.
Ya, ya, in the Catholic education....Mary never had original sin, and is the a Queen of Heaven.But, but, but, Scripture says no such thing.
Pfft....you can keep your false teaching.
This kind of language is not strange to Scripture. Matt. 2:3 tells us that when the Magi told him about the star over Bethlehem and the King being born, “Herod was greatly troubled and ALL of Jerusalem with him.”
Is that so?? EVERYBODY in Jerusalem, including babies were “troubled”??
OR, is this inclusive language like Rom. 3:23??
LEARN how to properly divide the Word . . .
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The absolute BEST part of my being here is that I get to expose your filthy lies – and NEVER do you get to expose one of mine because I don’t tell lies here. As a matter of fact – in the few years that I’ve been here – I have been called just about EVERY name in the book – but NOBODY has tried to expose a lie that I’ve told – because I haven’t told any.
YOU, on the other hand do almost nothing BUT lie – and here are several examples of your stupidity . . .
LIE #1. Catholics believe that Jesus didn’t have to die for us to be forgiven.
LIE #2. Catholics believe that they don’t have to look to the death of Christ for forgiveness.
LIE #3. Catholics believe that they must pay for all of our sins in Purgatory.
LIE #4. Catholics believe that the good works of Mary are more meritorious than those of Jesus.
There are several MORE lies in your post – but I’ll just go with these four . . .
NONE of these can be shown to be anything but the usual angry, ignorant anti-Catholic lies.
I’ll tell you what – I’ll let you have your say and PROVEto me from the Catechism that this is what the Catholic Church teaches. If you CAN’T do that – then you need to admit you LIED.
Deal??
Matt 3:23 ...all have sinned...
Stop whining to me because your Church failed to teach you that "all who has sinned" pertains to "all" terrestrial natural born men.
Glory to God
That's some deal you offer...
Yet you don't apply the same to yourself.
You teach things about Mary, but never give Biblical evidence to support your claim.....nor do you admit you lied.
You said;
You were given scripture that says all have sinned.
Then you challenge who ALL is. LOL
Show in Scripture where it says....
Or same deal you suggested...admit you lied.
Glory to God
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I didn’t lie. I’m just NOT in the same trap that YOU’RE in – which is the false, man-made doctrine of Sola Scriptura that nullifies the Word of God.
NOWHERE does the Word of God say that we everything we believe must be taught on the pages of Scripture.
The Word of God DOES say, however, that we must believe EVERYTHING the Church teaches us (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15).
The Church teaches that Mary was sinless based on what the Scriptures say about her (Luke 1:28) – and Sacred Tradition.
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Mary was speaking in tongues with her fellow believers in the upper room just as I do today. I have more in common with her than 99.9% of Roman Catholics that are now praying to her instead of God. Catholics, deny they pray to her but that's a huge fib (lie).
As one Italian Roman Catholic woman told my wife "if you wanted a favor from an important man wouldn't you go to his mother and ask her to ask him for you? You wouldn't go directly to him"!
There is one God and one intercessor between God and man. The man Christ Jesus.
Were she alive in the flesh she would rebuke the pope, the cardinals, the sparrows and the jaybirds for the perversion of the gospel.
The very first Roman Catholic and Jesus' reply to her? God placed this in the vi le for the express purpose of exposing this demonic spirit of human worship.
While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."
Luke 11:27-28 NASB
As one Italian Roman Catholic woman told my wife "if you wanted a favor from an important man wouldn't you go to his mother and ask her to ask him for you? You wouldn't go directly to him"!
There is one God and one intercessor between God and man. The man Christ Jesus.
Were she alive in the flesh she would rebuke the pope, the cardinals, the sparrows and the jaybirds for the perversion of the gospel.
The very first Roman Catholic and Jesus' reply to her? God placed this in the vi le for the express purpose of exposing this demonic spirit of human worship.
While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."
Luke 11:27-28 NASB
That is true. I believe my wife when she says she loves me. I believe her when she says she has a laundry basket needing to be dealt with. I believe her grocery list which she texts to me from time to time.
But when it comes to people, institutions, even churches, claiming that the spirit of God has taught them or shown them something, scripture tells us to test the spirit, to make sure it is of God. How can we test a spirit that we may know it is telling the truth? By comparing what the spirit is saying with scripture... Because the scripture is given by inspiration of God, therefore anything contrary to scripture coming from a spirit claiming to be the spirit of God, must be a lie.
To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them. Isa. 8:20
Therefore, in accordance to the above test, when I compare what the spirit said to the Pope who declared Mary's assumed immaculate conception, and what the Bible teaches, I can confidently declare by the spirit of God that the Pope is a liar. And the tradition. And the church. I won't have the temerity to call you personally a liar, but you are most assuredly deceived.
I agree you are in a trap.
I on the other hand am in the Truth.
What a ridiculous claim.
Scripture itself teaches, Scripture is God breathed and inerrant.
Believing that makes a man in agreement with God.
Of course it doesn't.
Scripture teaches you have freewill, and teaches indepth about the consequences for a man who rejects His Word.
Ahhhhh, Your dilemma.
First one has to Know what the Church IS;
The Church according to your teaching is the "Catholic Church".
The Church according to Christ Jesus' teaching is the Word of God.
Then one has to Know what is the Foundation Christ Jesus' Church is Built upon.
The Foundation according to your teaching is a man named Peter, that your Church has posthumously, dubbed a Pope. A Title Peter Himself never acknowledged.
The Foundation according to Christ Jesus is
That Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Your "church" contradicts what is Christ's Church is and it's building thereof.
No. "catholic church" falsely teaches Mary was sinnless.
"Thee Church", which IS Christ Jesus' Church teaches all have sinned.
Mary was no exception, regardless of "your church's" false teaching.
What nonsense.
Being favored of God does not make a terrestrial "sinnless"!
Traditions do not make a terrestrial "sinnless"!
Very weird.
Glory to God.
Jesus was born on earth according to earthly mans NATURAL law.....
I will presume you haven't a clue what a NATURAL law is or a MANS law....
For those interested...as Scripture teaches.
Natural Law is a woman is Conceived (Pregnant) in her womb, and she delivers the babe forth out of her womb, and the babe is called Born.
(People have confident knowledge the pregnancy Naturally lasts about 9 months)
Also according to mans Law...
Jewish Law;
The babe that comes forth from a woman is Legally the woman's child, and of her bloodline.
Gentile Law;
The babe that comes forth from a woman is Legally the woman's child, and the woman's husband's child and his bloodline, ie the "sperm" seed provider.
While Jesus was Born out of an earthly woman's womb....
Jesus was neither of Mary's Blood or a Mans sperm seed....
Yet according to mans natural Law...
Jesus was Legally, a Jew, as was Mary.
Jesus was Legally, a Jew, as was Joseph.
Jesus came forth OUT from God and entered Mary's Virgin Womb.
Dude it has been known for a long time, Terresterial reproduction between an earthly male and earthly female occurs in the females fallopian tubes, betweeen the earthly mans seed and the earthly females egg....
NOT the Womb.
Mary's egg, Mary's blood, Mary's dna, had nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus.
Seriously get a clue. Jesus is without beginning. The Created did not "create" the Creator!
I said no such thing.
What I am plainly saying is you have been duped into trusting the teaching of men above the Word of God, and turn the truth of God into a lie.
Glory to God
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