The 70 Weeks of Daniel

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snt--now we are cooking.. Historically, it is known that Herod the Great died in 4 BC, and the Gospels mention him, so Jesus was born prior to his death.Luke gives the age of Jesus at His Baptism as "about thirty years" (Luke 3:23). This would put the time of the Baptism as being about 26 AD. Historical records show that Herod the Great had begun the reconstruction of the Temple in 20 BC, so the "forty and six years" mentioned by the Jews at the first Passover during Jesus' public Ministry (John 2:13-22) brings us to about 26 or 27 AD for that first Passover. This again suggests that Jesus was probably born around 4 BC. The time the star was seen does not necessarily establish clearly the time of the birth. It may have simply announced the impending birth.Herod took no chances. samy
 

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snt--now we are cooking.. Historically, it is known that Herod the Great died in 4 BC, and the Gospels mention him, so Jesus was born prior to his death.Luke gives the age of Jesus at His Baptism as "about thirty years" (Luke 3:23). This would put the time of the Baptism as being about 26 AD. Historical records show that Herod the Great had begun the reconstruction of the Temple in 20 BC, so the "forty and six years" mentioned by the Jews at the first Passover during Jesus' public Ministry (John 2:13-22) brings us to about 26 or 27 AD for that first Passover. This again suggests that Jesus was probably born around 4 BC. The time the star was seen does not necessarily establish clearly the time of the birth. It may have simply announced the impending birth.Herod took no chances. samy
That's right samy, Luke 3:23 and John 2:13 are excellent verses in proofing the year in which Christ was born.There is obvious reluctance on the part of many Christians to make reference to John 2:13 concerning the number of years cited for reconstruction of the Temple; since, it could possibly disprove a popular date, 6 BC.However, data does exist that reveals the commencement of labor upon the Temple Mount in the year 22 BC.Hang in there with me...Apparently, the following data is not well known, unless you're an architect...In 22 BC preliminary work was being done for the reconstruction of the Temple, which involved the placement of massive raised platforms that would double the size of the Temple Mount.It was this preliminary work that was viewed 'literally' by those living in Jerusalem and the surrounding areas as the start of an established year in which the Temple labor began.Knowledge of: the year in which the preliminary work began (*), the information provided by (John 2:13), the age of Christ at his baptism (Luke 3:23), and the inquiry by Herod made of the three wise men (Matt. 2:16), all work beautifully together in establishing and confirming 6 BC as the year of our Lord's birth.I have no doubt that this will eventually end up as someone's Thesis...lolsnt* The Temple at Jerusalem: a Revelation, John Michell Cities in History, 2 Jerusalem: The City and Memory, Dr. Richard Ingersoll
 

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I am unaware of this foundation information. I will look into it. I believe that 6 bc is already the thesis of a fellow at Dallas Theo Sem. I'll get his name for you. samy
 

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Are we to believe that the Maji saw His star in the east two years earlier? Did the star appear when Jesus was born and then shine for two years while the Maji prepared to make a trip to Israel? Or did it shine when He was born, disappear, and then reappear two years later when the Maji finally arrived in Bethlehem? It troubles me that it would take two years for these Maji to reach Jerusalem for such an important event (two years late). And why did they have to go to Jerusalem to find out where the King was born if the star was guiding them to the place of his birth? There is no question that Jesus was no longer in the stable, and that they arrived after his circumcision. And why would the monster Herod the Great kill children 2 years old and under? I would think he would not take a chance if the Maji said the star appeared two years earlier. The appearance of the star was in all probability more recent than two years, but frankly it raises more questions than it answers for me, so far.
 

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Are we to believe that the Maji saw His star in the east two years earlier? Did the star appear when Jesus was born and then shine for two years while the Maji prepared to make a trip to Israel? Or did it shine when He was born, disappear, and then reappear two years later when the Maji finally arrived in Bethlehem? It troubles me that it would take two years for these Maji to reach Jerusalem for such an important event (two years late). And why did they have to go to Jerusalem to find out where the King was born if the star was guiding them to the place of his birth? There is no question that Jesus was no longer in the stable, and that they arrived after his circumcision. And why would the monster Herod the Great kill children 2 years old and under? I would think he would not take a chance if the Maji said the star appeared two years earlier. The appearance of the star was in all probability more recent than two years, but frankly it raises more questions than it answers for me, so far.
Has no one answered these questions? Apparently, someone should...I'll write up a paper and post it on my w.site...BTW, the star that guided the wise men was an angel, probably Old Gab.snt
 

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I wrote in my originall post, "A total of 483 years (7 sevens and 62 sevens) had to elapse before the appearance of Messiah the Prince. Starting from 458 B.C. and counting 483 years brings one to A.D. 26, the historically accepted year for the baptism of Jesus and beginning of His public ministry. (It is important to note when counting between B.C. and A.D. that there is no year "0" between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D.)The period of 483 years is broken into 49 years (7 sevens) and 434 years (62 sevens) probably because 49 years would elapse from the decree until Jerusalem was completely rebuilt. Then an additional 434 years would elapse before the arrival of Messiah the Prince." Thus the 62 years ends at 26 AD. samy
samyI do not have my notes and calculations handy so this is partly from memory.A couple of years ago scientists and astronomers came even closer than ever to determine the exact amount of days in a year.There are aproximately 365.24219878 days in a year with an error of 0.00030122 . Because of tiny orbital effects the average tropical year varies by about 0.00005 days per 1,000 years. Knowing more precisely the Jet Propulsion Labratories length of a year and converting it to Jewish years shows Jesus riding into Jerusalem at 5 pm on the day it was prophesied.Thought you might find that interesting. If I dig up the complete info I will pass it on to you. in the meantime , I am enjoying your postsMany thanksArnie M.