I believe the Lord Jesus' coming again

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1. not meaning to be deliberately obtuse here, but what part of that are you still looking forward to?
2. personally i much prefer "the eye hasn't seen, nor the ear heard all of the stuff God has in store for us" over any person's descriptions of new bodies and totally spiritual and living in His presence wadr. Remember that even if you know better now, you were invariably surprised when your anticipation did not meet with reality whenever you imagined some upcoming visit to a new place or some new situation, right. Like adulthood even, or you name it really. "It's just like i imagined" becomes a sign even
The hope I have is also about living in a place/realm/whatever that has no pain and suffering, where there is no sickness or evil and His perfect Justice will be forever. A place where we have hope of being with our loved ones who have gone on before us...not so much "stuff" lol.
 

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The hope I have is also about living in a place/realm/whatever that has no pain and suffering, where there is no sickness or evil and His perfect Justice will be forever.
the kingdom of heaven is within you,
no reason you can't be that place i guess. That is your birthright imo, what Edom sold for a meal?
A place where we have hope of being with our loved ones who have gone on before us
all go to the same place
you and your sons will be here with me
the dead know nothing
there is only One Immortal
no one has ever gone to heaven
 
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How would you interpret Matthew 23:39 , or Acts of the Apostles 3:19-20 ? Don't both say that Christ won't return until Israel repents and accepts Christ

You: 'Christ said in Matthew 23:39 that He wouldn't return until Israel accepted Him. Therefore, since there is no Israel today that could accept Christ, there is absolutely no possibility of His return, until this period is over, in about 2063 at the earliest.'

There is nothing about 'Israel today that could accept Christ' in Matthew 23:39. Jesus fulfilled Matthew 23:39 in Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19.
 

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You: 'Christ said in Matthew 23:39 that He wouldn't return until Israel accepted Him. Therefore, since there is no Israel today that could accept Christ, there is absolutely no possibility of His return, until this period is over, in about 2063 at the earliest.'

There is nothing about 'Israel today that could accept Christ' in Matthew 23:39. Jesus fulfilled Matthew 23:39 in Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19.

How could Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19 possibly FULFILL Matthew 23:39, when they all occur, chronologically, BEFORE Mt 23:39??? Mt 23:39 refers to the FUTURE, not the past. Any good "Harmony of the Gospels" will provide the chronological order of the 4 Gospels all put together.

Also, why would Israel say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord, unless they have accepted Him? Note that He's talking to the scribes and Pharisees, vss 15,16,17,23,25,26,27,19, etc. They were the religious leaders of Israel, If they didn't accept Christ as the Messiah, the nation surely wouldn't.
Mt 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

In Ac 3: 19-20, just follow the bouncing ball. (1) Repent (2) God will then send Jesus Christ. (3) When He arrives, your (Israel's) sins will be blotted out. Pretty simple.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
 
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How could Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19 possibly FULFILL Matthew 23:39, when they all occur, chronologically, BEFORE Mt 23:39??? Mt 23:39 refers to the FUTURE, not the past. Any good "Harmony of the Gospels" will provide the chronological order of the 4 Gospels all put together.

Ah! Wonderful! THIS IS TRUTH ... which you have seen without having seen it ... yet.

How could Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19 possibly FULFILL Matthew 23:39, when they all occur chronologically BEFORE Matthew 23:39 and Matthew 23:39 chronologically and historically came after Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19?

"On the very same day" (Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19) Jesus entered Jerusalem, He pronounced Matthew 23:39 as well. Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19 do not in terms of dates and days or even years or aeons 'occur chronologically BEFORE Matthew 23:39'. They all 'occurred' -were spoken by Jesus- on "The Very Same Day" and date, Ezekiel 40:1; 1:28-2:3ff Genesis 7:13; 15:18, 17:24, 'Palm Sunday' "the tenth day of the First Month", Exodus 12:3 Josua 4:19.
...and were and are all fulfilled by Him, in Him, and through Him "The All in all fulfilling Fullness of God", having Raised from the dead, and will be fulfilled by Him again, for us, when He will come again to us.
 

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Ah! Wonderful! THIS IS TRUTH ... which you have seen without having seen it ... yet.

How could Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19 possibly FULFILL Matthew 23:39, when they all occur chronologically BEFORE Matthew 23:39 and Matthew 23:39 chronologically and historically came after Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19?

"On the very same day" (Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19) Jesus entered Jerusalem, He pronounced Matthew 23:39 as well. Matthew 21:1-11 Mark 11:1-11 Luke 19:28-44 John 12:12-19 do not in terms of dates and days or even years or aeons 'occur chronologically BEFORE Matthew 23:39'. They all 'occurred' -were spoken by Jesus- on "The Very Same Day" and date, Ezekiel 40:1; 1:28-2:3ff Genesis 7:13; 15:18, 17:24, 'Palm Sunday' "the tenth day of the First Month", Exodus 12:3 Josua 4:19.
...and were and are all fulfilled by Him, in Him, and through Him "The All in all fulfilling Fullness of God", having Raised from the dead, and will be fulfilled by Him again, for us, when He will come again to us.

OK, Mt 23:39 is definitely later in the same day as His OT prophesied entrance in Mt 21, but that changes nothing. Just because it was the same day doesn't mean that Mt 23:39 is associated with the fulfilling of the same prophecy as His entrance. After Acts 21, it was back to business as usual. In Acts 22, the same day, Christ spoke to the multitude/Pharisees about the Kingdom, in Parables, as He said He would always do, starting in Mt 13 when He pronounced the curse of Isa 6:9-10 on them in Mt 13:14-15. Then, in the entirety of Mt 23, He condemns the Pharisees, with all the repetitions of, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" Then, at the end, He tells them that they will never see Him again until YE (the Pharisees) say, "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord". Where do the Pharisees EVER say that? How can you say that that has Ever been fulfilled? Israel (12 tribes), as a nation, has never seen Him since and they have NEVER, EVER said, "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." There is absolutely no doubt that he was talking about Himself. Mt 23:39 was NEVER close to being FULFILLED!! It will be, though, in about 50 years, (+ or -).

Also, what about Ac 3:19-20, which says that, when Israel repents, God will send His Son?

What about the verses that say that John the Baptist would have been Elijah, had Israel repented and accepted Christ as the promised Messiah?

Christ well NEVER return until Israel, as a nation, accepts Him as their Messiah and, until He returns, Israel is not saved (Ac 3:19). It's impossible that Israel CAN accept Him during this present 2000 year parenthetical period that started in 64AD, in Acts 28:28, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles, who had NEVER had Jesus Christ before, Eph 2:11-12. Israel was the wife of God until they were divorced in Acts. The Greek word translated "departed", in Acts 28:25, is translated 12 times as "divorced" or words meaning divorce, like "put her away".

Israel can't accept Christ today, because there is no Israel today, in God's eyes. In God's eyes, Israel is just another nation - Gentiles. However, in about 2064, the tiny Gentile church, unseen by 99.9% of Christendom and every denomination, found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles (the only church existing since 64AD), will be resurrected in the Appearing to the Heavenly Places, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20 (Christ), Eph 2:6 (Us). At that same time, Israel will be back in God's graces and OT prophecy will once again be fulfilled - none has been fulfilled since Israel was set aside in 64AD. All OT prophecy involves Israel. None of it can be fulfilled when there is no Israel. 1948 being prophetic was a Grand Hoax, as one author calls it. The Jews are all individuals today, not My (God's) People, Hos 1:9
 
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However, in about 2064, the tiny Gentile church, unseen by 99.9% of Christendom and every denomination, found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles (the only church existing since 64AD), will be resurrected
you should reveal what kind of seer you are i guess; crystal ball, necromancy, or what
 

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i get where you're coming from, but i am leery of these extended tassel description thingies bc

Church of Living God Inc
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3.0Address: 3013 Lincoln Blvd, Fort Myers, FL 33916

etc

O no, please! I get this name for the church of Jesus Christ's True Believers from the Scriptures and used it above quite automatically like I could have said The Body of Christ's Own or The True Christian Church or whatever straight SCRIPTURAL name. Please please PLEASE, NO! Don't tag me like I'm your cattle stock?!
 

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O no, please! I get this name for the church of Jesus Christ's True Believers from the Scriptures
well i'm sure they would say the same right
like I could have said The Body of Christ's Own or The True Christian Church
both of these have been augmented too i guess, wadr what's wrong with "body of Christ" and "Church?"
 

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...but few there are who find it
according to WHAT I believe shall be the day that Christ shall come again, it could just as well have been yesterday; but now it had not been...
at least as far as you know
so that I keep on praying, "Come Lord Jesus! Quickly come!"
20he saith -- who is testifying these things -- 'Yes, I come quickly!' Amen! Yes, be coming, Lord Jesus!
 

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all go to the same place
you and your sons will be here with me
the dead know nothing
there is only One Immortal
no one has ever gone to heaven

Reads like, to me, good poetry in truth. There is only One Immortal; no one has ever gone to heaven; but everyone in That Day shall be raised from the dead. And that's a fact, not poetry.
 

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Reads like, to me, good poetry in truth. There is only One Immortal; no one has ever gone to heaven; but everyone in That Day shall be raised from the dead. And that's a fact, not poetry.
it's a fact that you are supposed to die @ baptism, too GE
and that day is today, always today
it is only ever going to be today,

and how could you give no thought for tomorrow with that anyway, i gotta wonder?