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Have you ever considered that you might be one of the false teachers with your continued defence of the RC system ?
However, I don't expect you take this onboard as the paradigm you have won't allow it.

The Spirit speaks to those willing to hear, they need not justify their position to those who lampoon or misrepresent them just as Jesus remained silent in his judgement.

One of the things those in error cannot possibly understand is that having a connection with Jesus is not an intellectual exercise.
No, I haven't. I only repeat what The Church teaches. And as scripture says: The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth.

Have you ever considered that you might be one of the false teachers?

I find it fascinating that after you read Ephesians 5:11 and 1Timothy 5:20 that you didn't have a change of heart. I assumed you would do the right thing and follow scripture. I assumed wrong. :(

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it was crystal clear btw
Hey bbyrd

I find it fascinating how you can find the time to troll my conversations with others and needlessly interject yourself into those conversations but you can't seem to apologize to me for your UN-CHRISTIAN like comments toward me????

Also, you can't seem to find the time to explain what a "Insane Clown Posse Nun" is but you sure can find the time to stalk Marymog!

To be honest....it's kind of creepy!

Looking forward to your apology kiddo and then the explanation. I suspect it won't ever happen.....but my fingers are crossed ;)

Patient Mary
 

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It sounds to me like you and your church create doctrine on the fly when there is an "issue". Since you don't write it down in a manual, like us non-Bible believers do, it sounds like you are practicing oral tradition which means you practice the same thing the Catholic Church practices/preaches.
Reading the Scriptures to one another is not creating doctrine on the fly, nor is it practicing oral tradition, rather it is aligning with the will of God as made known through His Word.
I respectfully submit that passively sitting in a pew idolising some elevated pulpiteer is not the equivalent of followers of Christ gathering as a local expression of His body and exhorting or edifying one another:
Heb 3:13
(13) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 10:24-25
(24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
(25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.
1Th 5:11
(11) Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also you do.
Eph 4:16
(16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
 

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Hey bbyrd

I find it fascinating how you can find the time to troll my conversations with others and needlessly interject yourself into those conversations but you can't seem to apologize to me for your UN-CHRISTIAN like comments toward me????

Also, you can't seem to find the time to explain what a "Insane Clown Posse Nun" is but you sure can find the time to stalk Marymog!

To be honest....it's kind of creepy!

Looking forward to your apology kiddo and then the explanation. I suspect it won't ever happen.....but my fingers are crossed ;)

Patient Mary
no problem ok, that's why i'm here Mary. i know changing your mind is hard, especially being raised in the cult of Sol. I'm sure you are frequently offended, it's hard when you know better than everyone else huh.
Fwiw BoL can tell you how to post in colors if that helps; your frustration seems to be pretty high even for you at the moment. But you could just be close to an epiphany or something too i guess, i've noticed a lot of agitation right before epiphanies myself.
 
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Reading the Scriptures to one another is not creating doctrine on the fly, nor is it practicing oral tradition, rather it is aligning with the will of God as made known through His Word.
I respectfully submit that passively sitting in a pew idolising some elevated pulpiteer is not the equivalent of followers of Christ gathering as a local expression of His body and exhorting or edifying one another:
Heb 3:13
(13) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 10:24-25
(24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
(25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.
1Th 5:11
(11) Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also you do.
Eph 4:16
(16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Hi,

I am sincerely trying to figure this out. Let's say you and your fellow exhorters have to deal with a "issue" of another church member. You get together and decide HOW to handle that issue with that member. One year later you have the same "issue" with a different member of your church. No one speaks up and says, "One year ago we had this same "issue" and this his how we dealt with it and this was the decision we made. We should be fair and deal with this issue the same way for this member as we did the other member one year ago"? Nobody speaks up about what has TRADITIONALLY happened in that situation? You just make up a new decision or new "punishment" (for a lack of a better word) one year later?

I would never disagree with scripture. It is good you are exhorting one another at your church meetings. Are you suggesting that those who sit in pews are not able to exhort one another but those sitting on bean bags and recliners in your basement are able to exhort each other?

Do you think we should also partake in the breaking of bread in our Church meetings?

Mary
 

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no problem ok, that's why i'm here Mary. i know changing your mind is hard, especially being raised in the cult of Sol. I'm sure you are frequently offended, it's hard when you know better than everyone else huh.
Fwiw BoL can tell you how to post in colors if that helps; your frustration seems to be pretty high even for you at the moment. But you could just be close to an epiphany or something too i guess, i've noticed a lot of agitation right before epiphanies myself.
Your here to troll me? That's creeeeepy.....o_O

But you can't seem to apologize to me for your UN-CHRISTIAN like comments toward me???? What cult has taught you that belief?

There is no changing my mind. You are truly a creepy person who says unbiblical things.

I am never offended by your bizarre words that have nothing to do with scripture.

I talked to BOL.....Thank you for that suggestion.....;)

Mary :cool:
 

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"Romans regarded peace not as an absence of war, but the rare situation which existed when all opponents had been beaten down and lost the ability to resist." Pax Romana | Wikiwand

wow, the whole article is pretty interesting!
ps you don't want to read it right now Mary
 
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Hi,
I am sincerely trying to figure this out. Let's say you and your fellow exhorters have to deal with a "issue" of another church member. You get together and decide HOW to handle that issue with that member. One year later you have the same "issue" with a different member of your church. No one speaks up and says, "One year ago we had this same "issue" and this his how we dealt with it and this was the decision we made. We should be fair and deal with this issue the same way for this member as we did the other member one year ago"? Nobody speaks up about what has TRADITIONALLY happened in that situation? You just make up a new decision or new "punishment" (for a lack of a better word) one year later?

I would never disagree with scripture. It is good you are exhorting one another at your church meetings. Are you suggesting that those who sit in pews are not able to exhort one another but those sitting on bean bags and recliners in your basement are able to exhort each other?

Do you think we should also partake in the breaking of bread in our Church meetings?
Mary
Hi Mary, In my research I discovered the word "sincerely" derives from "tested by sunlight" so I am happy that you are sincerely trying to figure out how simple in-home fellowship differs from institutional "church" in that you are genuinely wanting illumination.
Firstly, it is biblical to meet in homes. While in Corinth Paul was a guest of Gaius who hosted an ekklesia in his home(Romans 16:23).
Secondly, it is biblical for all those gathered to spontaneously participate.
1Co 14:26
(26) How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
Thirdly, on the rare occasions that division and discord manifest, its roots are discerned by the Spirit moving as it will, through whomever it will and with one accord those who function as elders arrive at the solution, sometimes with disrupters realising they can no longer expect to walk with us.
Amo 3:3
(3) Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Notice I wrote "function" as elders. The NT never uses the term as a title for a person. Similarly with all the other functions, nowhere are any of these given as titles.
 

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Hi Mary, In my research I discovered the word "sincerely" derives from "tested by sunlight" so I am happy that you are sincerely trying to figure out how simple in-home fellowship differs from institutional "church" in that you are genuinely wanting illumination.
Firstly, it is biblical to meet in homes. While in Corinth Paul was a guest of Gaius who hosted an ekklesia in his home(Romans 16:23).
Secondly, it is biblical for all those gathered to spontaneously participate.
1Co 14:26
(26) How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
Thirdly, on the rare occasions that division and discord manifest, its roots are discerned by the Spirit moving as it will, through whomever it will and with one accord those who function as elders arrive at the solution, sometimes with disrupters realising they can no longer expect to walk with us.
Amo 3:3
(3) Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Notice I wrote "function" as elders. The NT never uses the term as a title for a person. Similarly with all the other functions, nowhere are any of these given as titles.
Hi Stumpmaster,

Hmmmmm.......200 words you have written but no answer to my questions.:(

I will REPEAT the easiest question for you to answer first: Do you think we should also partake in the breaking of bread in our Church meetings?

It is true that the early Christians met in homes. They did this because their numbers were small and they didn't need large meetings rooms. As Christianity grew in numbers they started to build Churches with some of those Churches built over homes that were previously used as meeting places. Soooo when you say "it is biblical to meet in homes" I would like to remind you that it is also biblical that the early Christians established a hierarchy. Has your church followed that part of the bible? What does your basement gathering think about Matthew 18:15 when they read it?

Curious and Historical Mary
 

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Hi Stumpmaster,

Hmmmmm.......200 words you have written but no answer to my questions.:(

I will REPEAT the easiest question for you to answer first: Do you think we should also partake in the breaking of bread in our Church meetings?

It is true that the early Christians met in homes. They did this because their numbers were small and they didn't need large meetings rooms. As Christianity grew in numbers they started to build Churches with some of those Churches built over homes that were previously used as meeting places. Soooo when you say "it is biblical to meet in homes" I would like to remind you that it is also biblical that the early Christians established a hierarchy. Has your church followed that part of the bible? What does your basement gathering think about Matthew 18:15 when they read it?

Curious and Historical Mary
I'm not interested in your question about breaking bread in your meetings, do what you will amongst your own, it's between you and God. The early disciples and early Christians did quite a few things that got them told off, one of them being the pursuit of rank and hierarchy, something Jesus did not condone and which Paul and John rebuked.
Function yes, hierarchy no!
Gal 2:6
(6) But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it makes no matter to me: God accepts no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
3Jn 1:9-10
(9) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, received us not.
(10) Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither does he himself receive the brethren, and forbids them that would, and casts them out of the ekklesia.(Written to Gaius)

Luk 22:24-26
(24) And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
(25) And he said (Jesus) unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
(26) But you shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that does serve
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It is obvious Paul didn't bestow titles or elevate his co-workers to fanciful positions.
Php 4:2-3

(2) I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.
(3) And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.


Php 2:19-25
(19) But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.
(20) For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.
(21) For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
(22) But you know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he has served with me in the gospel.
(23) Him therefore I hope to send presently, so soon as I shall see how it will go with me.
(24) But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.
(25) Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.


The gathering for simple in-home fellowship of Christ-followers has continued from the Last Supper, to the upper room of Acts 1:13, to this present day. FYI, our lot don't meet in a basement.
 
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like us non-Bible believers do
That says it all. You are a good Catholic Mary. A non-Bible- believing religionist. We are Protestants. Bible believing Christians. We have our ways, and you have yours. I am sure you follow your way perfectly,. So what is your purpose coming to a forum of Christians with whom you have no common interest?
 
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I'm not interested in your question about breaking bread in your meetings, do what you will amongst your own, it's between you and God. The early disciples and early Christians did quite a few things that got them told off, one of them being the pursuit of rank and hierarchy, something Jesus did not condone and which Paul and John rebuked.
Function yes, hierarchy no!

The gathering for simple in-home fellowship of Christ-followers has continued from the Last Supper, to the upper room of Acts 1:13, to this present day. FYI, our lot don't meet in a basement.
Thank you Stumpmaster. You are truly living up to your name for you have me stumped.

You have indicated that you and your fellow in-home fellowship of Christ-followers meet in your homes just like the Christians written about in the NT. You and your ilk have rejected hierarchy under the false belief that Paul and John rebuked it.

The Christians in the NT gathered daily and broke bread. You have rejected that portion of scripture but accepted the portion that said they had their meetings in homes. Why?

Scripture clearly establishes a hierarchal church and this FACT is backed up by all theologians and it was the practice of the NT Christians. However, you and your ilk reject that portion of scripture. Why?

Curious Mary
 

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Thank you Stumpmaster. You are truly living up to your name for you have me stumped.

You have indicated that you and your fellow in-home fellowship of Christ-followers meet in your homes just like the Christians written about in the NT. You and your ilk have rejected hierarchy under the false belief that Paul and John rebuked it.
The Christians in the NT gathered daily and broke bread. You have rejected that portion of scripture but accepted the portion that said they had their meetings in homes. Why?
Scripture clearly establishes a hierarchal church and this FACT is backed up by all theologians and it was the practice of the NT Christians. However, you and your ilk reject that portion of scripture. Why?
Curious Mary
Mary, we break bread and remember Christ's death in our gatherings. What are you on about? If you are content to passively pew-sit and be pleb under man's domination that's up to you, but many are not and reject it as having pagan origins. Please do some research on Pagan Christianity and come out of Babylon, I urge you.
 

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Mary, we break bread and remember Christ's death in our gatherings. What are you on about? If you are content to passively pew-sit and be pleb under man's domination that's up to you, but many are not and reject it as having pagan origins. Please do some research on Pagan Christianity and come out of Babylon, I urge you.
Thank you stumpmaster.

So you and I are a lot alike. We both break bread, remember Christ death and read from Scripture in our gatherings with our fellow Christians. That gathering is on Sundays for me and my ilk. How about you....Sundays?

BTW.....Why did I have to ask you multiple times
before you finally answered if you break bread at your home church meetings? Are you embarrassed about it?

I asked this before and don't see an answer: Scripture clearly establishes a hierarchal church and this FACT is backed up by all theologians and it was the practice of the NT Christians. However, you and your ilk reject that portion of scripture. Why?

Curious Mary

BTW...I will answer any legitimate question you ask me...go ahead, ask away :rolleyes:
 
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Since you don't write it down in a manual, like us non-Bible believers do, it sounds like you are practicing oral tradition which means you practice the same thing the Catholic Church practices/preaches.
Hi Mary, look what I came across.
 

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I'm not interested in your question about breaking bread in your meetings, do what you will amongst your own, it's between you and God. The early disciples and early Christians did quite a few things that got them told off, one of them being the pursuit of rank and hierarchy, something Jesus did not condone and which Paul and John rebuked.
Function yes, hierarchy no!
Gal 2:6
(6) But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it makes no matter to me: God accepts no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
3Jn 1:9-10
(9) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, received us not.
(10) Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither does he himself receive the brethren, and forbids them that would, and casts them out of the ekklesia.(Written to Gaius)

Luk 22:24-26
(24) And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
(25) And he said (Jesus) unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
(26) But you shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that does serve
.


It is obvious Paul didn't bestow titles or elevate his co-workers to fanciful positions.
Php 4:2-3

(2) I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.
(3) And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.


Php 2:19-25
(19) But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.
(20) For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.
(21) For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
(22) But you know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he has served with me in the gospel.
(23) Him therefore I hope to send presently, so soon as I shall see how it will go with me.
(24) But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.
(25) Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.


The gathering for simple in-home fellowship of Christ-followers has continued from the Last Supper, to the upper room of Acts 1:13, to this present day. FYI, our lot don't meet in a basement.
Complete nonsense – as well as a total lack of understanding of the Scriptures as they pertain to what Paul wrote.

Not only did Paul believe in Church hierarchy – he PRACTICED it and TAUGHT it . . .

Acts 15:1-2
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

1 Cor. 12:27-31
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church FIRST OF ALL APOSTLES, SECOND PROPHETS, THIRD TEACHERS, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
Are ALL apostles? Are ALL prophets? Are ALL teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.


EVERY single Protestant faction has a hierarchy.
Only the hypocrites accuse the Catholic Church of being “anti-Biblical” about it . . .
 
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