I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

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I hear you.
When I left school many of the school kids were in horror that I was going to work in a hard working job. they did not want to work, let alone doing hard work. well my dad had me working from 9yo so I did not think of such as a problem, but now I can not work as my knees and back are shot, I did half a day helping out with my brother and 10 days it took to get over it.
The last 3 years I am just living off what I have put away.
I have to find another job that I can do, but who would want me, I can't stand up for too long due to the pain.

I use to bag that Dr Smith on Lost in Space, but know I know he was not putting it on, Oh the pain the pain.

I did not know that the USA had welfare like we have in Australia, where one can be on the dole there whole life like many of our blacks are and many of the drugs type of people that are around, bums being smart arse punks hassling people and they have money for getting tattoos and smokes, they start picking fights, sometimes in a hope that they can sue you, they have plenty of tricks and know the law real well. not to mention now we have a horde of people claiming they are part abo so they can claim all the benefits. my full blood abo mate hates this people but he is only a small minority of what's called aboriginals now, so he does not have voice, the dregs have knifed him in the gut before, he has to shut up or they will get him, he is in a wheel chair now and to scared to talk.

I do not believe in the rapture but if all the good people were raptured out of here then how would the poor sods survive.
I would like all the people who hate Trump live together and the Trump supporters go live in a parallel universe, the ones who hate Trump would fail badly and live in a Nazi Communist State where they can have the degenerate government tell them what to do, because they can't think for themselves.

Doing jury duty we do not have to swear on the Bible now and one of this type is on with 12 of us and this was a Child Molesting case and this grub says that he is not going to let this man go to jail because he is too old to go to jail. what a degenerate ! if he is not going to abide by the rules he should not come up. I have people shirking there duty all their lives in everything they do, it's a life long hobby to them as the world owes them a living, so they claim.

How many Christian people shirk from there duty to God ?
Welfare is HUGE in the U.S. - they get free housing, free food stamps, free medical care. It's going to collapse because one half of the country is supporting the other half. That's terrible that your friend was stabbed in the stomach. I hope the perpetrators were held accountable. And it doesn't matter the age someone is if they did that to a child they should be held accountable.

My sister got all the free government handouts - got all new windows on her house and we paid our own way. Now she has her house paid off and I heard flits around on all these vacations. We don't have that luxury. It's just so disturbing and a lot of people are fed up with it. My husband and I went to buy a mattress and we got to talking to the salesman. He was annoyed and pointed to some legislators daughter and told us she got a free roof put on her house compliments of taxpayers because they found some way to declare the house a historic building or something. We paid for our own roof. If the woman is living in the home she should pay for her own roof.
 

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Yes Ma'am, it's all over scripture. That is the basic message communicated in Job, and it was repeated by James in his letter in the following:

But let the lowly brother boast in his exalted status, yet the rich [man] in his lowly status, for like the flower of the grass he shall pass away. For the sun arose with the scorching wind and withered the grass, and its flower fell out, and the beauty of its appearance perished. So also shall the rich man die away in the midst of his travels. "Blessed" is the man who endures trials, for after he has been proven he shall receive the crown of life which the Lord promised to those who love Him. (James 1:9-12)

Not coincidently, James cites Job as an example to follow later in Chapter 5. Jesus also taught the same essential things in the Gospels:

And lifting up His eyes, [Jesus] said to His disciples, "Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. Blessed are you when men shall hate you, and when they shall ostracize you, and reproach you, and repudiate your name as evil on account of the Son of man. Rejoice and leap for joy in that day, for behold, great is your reward in Heaven, for their fathers did these same things to the prophets. But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your consolation. Woe to you who have been filled, for you shall hunger. Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers did these same things to the false prophets. (Luke 6:20-26)

Thanks for those verses. I had read them long ago and had forgotten them. Sometimes it is very hard to see the wicked prosper and wait and wait for God's hand of judgement. But I guess that might be part of getting tested.
 
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There is a certain knowing when one hits the nail on the head because it resonates with other parts of scripture. One however must be familiar with scripture to recognise this.

I've read Scripture for over 30 years although I dropped off the last few years. I started again which is why I'm learning about Revelations. I'm still waiting and waiting for God to answer my prayers.
 

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When my nipper was going to school in the last 2 years a new Principle of the Catholic school took charge, what a horror this Principle was, it was one of the most hideous people I have ever met knew nothing of Christianity that was truly worthy idolised my wife to me, it was just two faced way overly contrived I was socked and stunned by it's display, it cam across like a whore to me and I have had to work for such people in my time or found out that that's what they were hideous people to have to deal with, agents of the devil.

Political Correctness was a creation of the Talmud looking for ways to fool and control people, it's main event was with the creation of Communism Menshevik Bolsheviks and then the Talmud showed it's hand with the creation of the Nazis, but every PC is tailored to suite the situation that they want to take control of, the art of it can be seen in business dealings as well, it's all about creating delusions with dog cunning and if one is not attune to such cunning then they will work to eat you alive and before you are awake to the fact you can do nothing about it, they are in control. it's an type of art of war. I recognised it because I am into Ju Jitsu this is an art form and what that does is it wakes you up to elusions and one must seek so as not to be fooled by such when fighting an opponent or you will fail and such is proven fact that one has to deal with or you can not progress. one has to deal with the reality and it's a gentle art that uses an aggressive opponents power to deal with them even if they are much stronger than you because you understand how to deal with that.

What PC is now is just a Fabien way of slowly over the years getting the people to swallow it tactic, because the way they dealt with the Russians Slavic people was tailored for them and they had to deal with the Germans in another way because the same tactics would not work, so they created a depression and all that went with that to get there Talmud man Hitler into power and backed him up to create the great image that thy would swallow, the plain works wonders and now it's our turn to be played for fools. we will loose our freedoms and become slaves, our whole way of live will be turned upside down, the creep show has begun.

It really gets on my goat to see this mob bag our forefathers no end and undermine our People who were in WW2 and this is done in a way that is truly cunning if you bother to look into it and they have been doing this for years they came up against our RSL President Bruce Ruxton and openly bagged him 24/7 in there ignorance.

I wonder if the group that started it is the same NWO gang.
 

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I think that the problem is that everyone assumes that there is only one Illuminati. Could be that Soros is Southern Illuminati and Trump Reformed?? Surely those guys have a schism every now and then? Of course, they keep it secret.

Seriously tho;
Is Trump God's Guy?? Yes.
Was Obama? Yes.
George W, Clinton and Bush the Elder? Yes, yes, yes.
All the way back to George Washington.
Before that, at the appointed time and for the intended purpose, Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar were 'God's men'.
Going back to the Garden and with Job -- even Satan! -- was God's chosen instrument to bring about his Sovereign Will.

With each down turn and every fulfillment of prophecy it is oddly reassuring to me that God is in complete control. When things get bad for me these days, and they do quite often, I just escape in to a fantasy of what Heaven is going to be like. No more death or pain or illness or tears. The joy, the peace, the security, the... tha... endless unCursed blueberries. Imagine what those taste like!
It's good your faith is so strong. I wish God would get it over with already.
 

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In short, that is the counterfeit gospel to the real last day message of revelation 14:6-12.
The Dragon... Satan. The Dragon also represents spiritualism and the occult. But in the immediate context of prophecy it represents statecraft... Politics... Government. Example: in Revelation 12:1-4 we read of the birth of Christ, and the great red dragon that awaited his birth to destroy him. What power was out that attempted to destroy Christ as a child? It was Rome, through Herod. And in the 7 th chapter of Daniel we see four beasts coming up out of the sea, the fourth having a description similar to the Dragon... This also was Rome.
The beast referred to in rev. 16 is the same beast as revelation 13:1-3. .. The RCC. This beast is the Antichrist.
The false prophet (see the second half of revelation 13... The best from the land)is that power which in the last days gives power to the RCC who in conjunction with the state, (the woman riding the beast) will rule with the same tyranny as in the dark ages, only on a global scale. The false prophet therefore is a religious power, but cannot be the papacy, but is in fact the apostate Protestant churches of America, but is also in union with the state... Am image of the church state union of the papacy, which had always been a political power.

I know the dragon is Satan. You're saying that the dragon is also the government? I'm wondering what the four beasts coming up out of the sea are and what the significance is of them coming out of the sea. So the RCC is the antichrist? It would fit since they've sold out to the evil one and are deluding so many. Who are the apostate churches of America - you mean like Rick Warren?
 

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It's good your faith is so strong. I wish God would get it over with already.

Thank you, but I am not sure that my faith is any stronger than anyone else's? It is the Object of my/our faith that is critical. Not the faith itself. Something that I was mislead about because of my conversion being into the Charismatic/WOF movement many many years ago. What I focus on makes a big difference.

For along time now I have withdrawn from most things. Becoming a genuine recluse as I let fear reign in my life. To the extent that it was sin. But God has not given us a spirit of fear. So when it is dominating me, I know that I have gone off course in my thinking. "As a man thinketh..." It got really bad. Never unmindful of the major news events and prophecy, I let it enter into even individual one on one relationships. Mistrusting people rather than walking in love toward them. Not hating, but just not trusting or giving them the benefit of the doubt many times. I long thought hate was the opposite of love, but I have heard some compelling teachings that actually fear is the opposite of love. As perfect love casts out fear. (It does a 'number' on hate too!)

Having said that, I am under no illusion that we, as the Church, are necessarily going to escape the difficulties to come completely. Things could get worse before they get even worse. We are ultimately going to escape the Wrath (Jesus took that too), but where do things go before that fully kicks in? Things are already quite beyond where I would have 'called it' sometime back. There are truly worrisome things out there. This is plain to see. But this only confirms prophecy so we know where things are headed. And ever more rapidly it seems. Plenty of things to be concerned about to the natural mind. The root cause of the opioid epidemic?? I just learned to quit worrying about the specifics so much. It can be maddening. But what is going to happen is going to happen. Most fortunately, this is completely under God's control.

What should we be doing in the meantime? Comforting one another. Looking up, but not so much that we walk off the sidewalk into traffic. Thinking on whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, things of good report. Undoubtedly this is becoming increasingly difficult as the days grow more evil. You're not alone in that. If the news reports wreck your peace then turn it off. Feed on something else. There is much truth to "you are what you consume [eat]."

It will be over with soon. I cannot imagine things going on and on given where things are at currently. It all else fails, take a nap. It is better to be at peace and asleep than awake but distraught.

We are secure in Him.
 

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Trump will be impeached, the impeachment will be sent to Congress and then with a unanimous vote, every Congressman will say out loud for all to hear-------------

~~~~~~~Trump, you are FIRED~~~~~~~

!!!!!!!!!
 

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Nigeria copies Trumpism--
Nigeria's army cites Trump to justify shooting Shia protesters

The Nigerian army has cited a video of US President Donald Trump, in which he says soldiers should respond with force to migrants throwing stones, to justify opening fire on a Shia group this week.

"When they throw rocks... consider it as a rifle," Mr Trump says in the clip.
Nigerian police have arrested 400 members of a Shia Muslim sect after days of deadly protests in the capital.
Amnesty International has criticised Nigeria's army for the killings, saying the Shia protesters were peaceful.

But a spokesman for the Nigerian army says their decision to fire live rounds at protesters in Abuja was justified because they were armed, telling the BBC "this is what [Mr] Trump was talking about".


Nigeria cites Trump on shooting protesters
 
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I know the dragon is Satan. You're saying that the dragon is also the government? I'm wondering what the four beasts coming up out of the sea are and what the significance is of them coming out of the sea. So the RCC is the antichrist? It would fit since they've sold out to the evil one and are deluding so many. Who are the apostate churches of America - you mean like Rick Warren?
The Dragon, Satan, has waged war on Christ since creation. He has used whatever means available to him, so all manner of institutions and governments throughout history came under his sway.... Revelation speaks specifically of one particular institution where "Satan's seat is" Historically, Satan has used false pagan religion, in union with the state, to delude and coerce entire nations into idolatry and superstition and fear. But in revelation, that seat was first in the Roman state Empire, and in the 6 th century the Emperor, the earthly representative of the Dragon, have his seat, his power, and his authority to the beast that came up out of the sea. (Revelation 13:1-3) That beast was papal Rome. The Emperor was Justinian.

As for the for beasts in Daniel 7, they are in order, Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece, Rome. The ten horns that grew out of the head of the fourth beast were the ten barbarian tribes that engulfed the western portion of the Empire in the 5 th century... The little horn than rose up among them and deposed 3 was the papacy. Details are readily available if you want them.
 

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Thank you, but I am not sure that my faith is any stronger than anyone else's? It is the Object of my/our faith that is critical. Not the faith itself. Something that I was mislead about because of my conversion being into the Charismatic/WOF movement many many years ago. What I focus on makes a big difference.

For along time now I have withdrawn from most things. Becoming a genuine recluse as I let fear reign in my life. To the extent that it was sin. But God has not given us a spirit of fear. So when it is dominating me, I know that I have gone off course in my thinking. "As a man thinketh..." It got really bad. Never unmindful of the major news events and prophecy, I let it enter into even individual one on one relationships. Mistrusting people rather than walking in love toward them. Not hating, but just not trusting or giving them the benefit of the doubt many times. I long thought hate was the opposite of love, but I have heard some compelling teachings that actually fear is the opposite of love. As perfect love casts out fear. (It does a 'number' on hate too!)

Having said that, I am under no illusion that we, as the Church, are necessarily going to escape the difficulties to come completely. Things could get worse before they get even worse. We are ultimately going to escape the Wrath (Jesus took that too), but where do things go before that fully kicks in? Things are already quite beyond where I would have 'called it' sometime back. There are truly worrisome things out there. This is plain to see. But this only confirms prophecy so we know where things are headed. And ever more rapidly it seems. Plenty of things to be concerned about to the natural mind. The root cause of the opioid epidemic?? I just learned to quit worrying about the specifics so much. It can be maddening. But what is going to happen is going to happen. Most fortunately, this is completely under God's control.

What should we be doing in the meantime? Comforting one another. Looking up, but not so much that we walk off the sidewalk into traffic. Thinking on whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, things of good report. Undoubtedly this is becoming increasingly difficult as the days grow more evil. You're not alone in that. If the news reports wreck your peace then turn it off. Feed on something else. There is much truth to "you are what you consume [eat]."

It will be over with soon. I cannot imagine things going on and on given where things are at currently. It all else fails, take a nap. It is better to be at peace and asleep than awake but distraught.

We are secure in Him.

They are also my thoughts - I don't know how much worse things can get. I've seen massive changes just in my lifetime. I was reading about all the government spying and it's concerning. They can resurrect your entire phone conversations, and listen in on you in your own home. Human nature being what it is, you know it's going to be abused. The government is now regulating whether or not you get pain relief or not, and God knows what young children are being told in schools. It's just gotten worse than I would have ever imagined since I was younger.
 

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Trump will be impeached, the impeachment will be sent to Congress and then with a unanimous vote, every Congressman will say out loud for all to hear-------------

~~~~~~~Trump, you are FIRED~~~~~~~

!!!!!!!!!

I don't want him impeached because he has been doing some good things. He's better than Hillary. I just have my doubts about him and everything else right now. I wonder if our votes even count - for President.
 

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The Dragon, Satan, has waged war on Christ since creation. He has used whatever means available to him, so all manner of institutions and governments throughout history came under his sway.... Revelation speaks specifically of one particular institution where "Satan's seat is" Historically, Satan has used false pagan religion, in union with the state, to delude and coerce entire nations into idolatry and superstition and fear. But in revelation, that seat was first in the Roman state Empire, and in the 6 th century the Emperor, the earthly representative of the Dragon, have his seat, his power, and his authority to the beast that came up out of the sea. (Revelation 13:1-3) That beast was papal Rome. The Emperor was Justinian.

As for the for beasts in Daniel 7, they are in order, Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece, Rome. The ten horns that grew out of the head of the fourth beast were the ten barbarian tribes that engulfed the western portion of the Empire in the 5 th century... The little horn than rose up among them and deposed 3 was the papacy. Details are readily available if you want them.

Do you know where Satan's seat is speculated to be? Where did you learn this at Brakelite?

You mentioned that a worldwide 9-11 would happen that would make people turn to the Roman Catholic Church. Do you think that's where the man is going to come from who everyone is fooled by? Do you have any speculation on what the worldwide 9-11 will be and when? I was afraid it was going to be nuclear war. That's why I wondered if others were preparing in any way. I read that a lot of wealthy people were building bunkers, and it made me wonder what they knew that I didn't.

I watched Walter Veith again - he's interesting. I'm going to look for another one of his videos online.
 
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Nigeria copies Trumpism--
Nigeria's army cites Trump to justify shooting Shia protesters

The Nigerian army has cited a video of US President Donald Trump, in which he says soldiers should respond with force to migrants throwing stones, to justify opening fire on a Shia group this week.

"When they throw rocks... consider it as a rifle," Mr Trump says in the clip.
Nigerian police have arrested 400 members of a Shia Muslim sect after days of deadly protests in the capital.
Amnesty International has criticised Nigeria's army for the killings, saying the Shia protesters were peaceful.

But a spokesman for the Nigerian army says their decision to fire live rounds at protesters in Abuja was justified because they were armed, telling the BBC "this is what [Mr] Trump was talking about".


Nigeria cites Trump on shooting protesters

I don't think they can justify shooting by blaming President Trump. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
 

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They are also my thoughts - I don't know how much worse things can get. I've seen massive changes just in my lifetime. I was reading about all the government spying and it's concerning. They can resurrect your entire phone conversations, and listen in on you in your own home. Human nature being what it is, you know it's going to be abused. The government is now regulating whether or not you get pain relief or not, and God knows what young children are being told in schools. It's just gotten worse than I would have ever imagined since I was younger.

I completely agree. Been watching things develop since the beginning of the 1980s myself. I remember freaking out over the movies "The Day After" and the classic "Red Dawn".

One thing about the spying bit is that there is probably a bigger concern with large corporations. And social media. The government has to go 'hat in hand' begging tech giants to give them the information that those companies already possess. Or can easily obtain. "Please open this terrorist's phone for us!" They refuse. Thumb their noses. We can't wait for the next release of their products. We're kind of doing it to ourselves.

Skimmed a headline the other day that said super computers will eventually break down the internet's encryption. Then what?? (I'm NOT helping, am I?!) A.I. is going to replace jobs and then supposedly control robots to kill us. I just hope that they are efficient at it! A 'clean kill shot' thankyouverymuch!

I've tried to remain philosophical about it. God chose to let us live during just about the most significant period of human history. The things we get to witness are astounding. People worried just as much at other times in history. Droughts, plagues, famines, invading armies, bandits. We've had it very good all these years. Our standard of living and security has somewhat caused us to take our ease. Times will likely get harder. Many people even in our modern times in other locations have never known what we tend to take for granted.

Yes, human nature, particularly demonically influenced, will most definitely abuse it. I am thankful that we should escape the worst of it.

Please trust me, I fight off the very same thoughts and concerns that you do. You caught me on a good day. I only skimmed those 16 pages, but I have done some prepping. I also live in what has become a very active hurricane territory. Houston. One must prep just for that.

Prior to WWII and modern refrigeration and supermarkets, everybody was a 'prepper'. Nowadays everyone acts like this is some weird practice. 7 fat years put away enough for lean 7 years. Now that's serious prepping! Of course, if you are down to you last bit of flour and oil, might as well give it to the prophet.

Get all you can, can all you get!
 

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I don't think they can justify shooting by blaming President Trump. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

You can find an excuse for anything, if you look hard enough but one thing is for sure, Trump is responsible for his own actions and he is being judged for it.

Get a bowl of popcorn, sit back in your lounge chair, take a deep breath and then watch judgment day unfold before your own eyes.

The show is now beginning
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Trump is not important enough for a thread of this nature. He is a cautionary tale