"Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Faith" - Has 500 Years Taught Us Nothing?

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GodsGrace

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Charity, even in the bible means sharing, giving an and similar.

Yes, out of love, but that does not demand Biblical love.

Mother Teresa never preached the gospel. She always supported beliefs of who she was dealing with, be they Muslim, Hindu or whatever.
She did support other religions, this is true.
We can't know each person's heart.
Are you saying that no Hindu will be in heaven?
 

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Charity, even in the bible means sharing, giving an and similar.

Yes, out of love, but that does not demand Biblical love.

Mother Teresa never preached the gospel. She always supported beliefs of who she was dealing with, be they Muslim, Hindu or whatever.
Oh. As to charity,,, of course the N.T. teaches charity in the sense that you state.
But the literal translation is love...
Faith, Hope and Charity.

Which will we still have in heaven?
Not faith, it will not be necessary.
Not hope, it will not be necessary.
But charity will be present even in heaven...not the charity of helping others, but charity as meant by the N.T. writers....love.

Here are the verses..

Charity

( 1 Corinthians 13 ), the rendering in the Authorized Version of the word which properly denotes love, and is frequently so rendered (always so in the Revised Version). It is spoken of as the greatest of the three Christian graces ( 1 Corinthians 12:31-13:13). ).


I found this which explains it well...

Charity | Christian concept
 

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In the "I am excited...." by Willie T, post # 536, you said:
"Ummmmm, as Rev. 13:8 illustrates – His sacrifice is ETERNAL, Einstein."

That's core Protestant doctrine, Dead Bread. Conversely, you papists sacrifice Him twice a day.

In the Mass, it's called the "Corpus Christi" - the "CORPSE OF CHRIST", genius. I don't care how much you papists deny it with words like "presentation of Christ's sacrifice", a CORPSE is that which remains after one is DEAD, and if you claim to believe that a CORPSE with its BODY and BLOOD are literally present in the Eucharist and that the priest is called "the creator of his CREATOR" (Dignities and Duties of the Priest), then that amounts to MORE than just some exoteric "presentation" - it's an esoteric mock sacrifice of Jesus.
And there you go again exposing your abject IGNORANCE.

When was the last time you took a course in Latin??
"CORPUS CHRISTI"
means "BODY OF CHRIST" - not "CORPSE", Einstein. Do your homework . . .


The Mass is not a crucifixion - but a RE-Presentation of His ETERNAL Sacrifice (Rev. 13:8).
Study your Bible, son . . .
 
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Charity, even in the bible means sharing, giving an and similar.
Yes, out of love, but that does not demand Biblical love.
Mother Teresa never preached the gospel. She always supported beliefs of who she was dealing with, be they Muslim, Hindu or whatever.
HOGWASH.

Mother Teresa “NEVER” preached the Gospel??
WHY
do you bother telling LIES like this – when you know I’m going to expose you??

Remember - LYING is a direct violation of God's Commandments . . .

Mother Teresa Preaching the Gospel of Christ . . .
"Every human being has a longing for God. Christians go one step further—not only do we long for God but we have the treasure of his presence always with us."

"We cannot say that we love Jesus only in the Eucharist—naturally, we want to put that love into action, serving the poor. We cannot separate the Eucharist and the poor."

"We will be the happiest people in the world if we belong to God, if we place ourselves at his disposal, if we let him use us as he pleases."

"In each of our lives, Jesus comes as the Bread of Life—to be eaten, to be consumed by us. This is how he loves us."

"God is love, and when we love we are like God. This is what Jesus meant when he said, “Be perfect as your Father is perfect."

"Only one secret: The closer we come to Jesus, the better we will know his thirst."

"Give yourselves unswervingly to God. Conform yourselves in all things to his glory, to his holy will."

"If you were to die today, what would others say about you? What was in you that was beautiful, that was Christlike, that helped others to pray better? Face yourself, with Jesus at your side, and do not be satisfied with just any answer."

"Nothing will destroy our joy of loving Jesus as much as money. It is one of the keys of the devil that will open any heart. It is the beginning of great evil."

"The reason for our existence is to quench the thirst of Jesus Christ. When he asked for water, the soldier gave him vinegar to drink—but his thirst was for love, for souls, for you and me."

"Joy is prayer. Joy is strength. Joy is love. Joy is a net by which we catch souls."

"The Good News is that God still loves the world through each one of you. You are God’s good news, you are God’s love in action."

"Jesus will use you to accomplish great things on the condition that you believe much more in his love than in your weakness. Only then, his hand will be free with you."

"If we have a pure heart, then we can see God."

"Give your heart to God, deliberately, knowingly, willingly. It belongs to him."

"Obedience makes us most like Jesus and one with him. If we really obey, it is a constant crucifixion."
 
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How about Mother Teresa? She did a lot of charity while avidly supporting other religions and not preaching the gospel.
Another putrid pile of dishonest manure . . .

Mother Teresa NEVER supported other religions. She supported PEOPLE of other religions.
She stated that she didn't care if a person was a Muslim or a Jew or a Christian or an atheist- she saw Christ in ALL mankind and HELPED them.

You know - like Jesus said, Einstein:
Matt. 25:37-40
Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’

And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.

THAT'S what Mother Teresa did, Einstein.
 

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Undoubtedly! The printing press finally put the Bible into the hands of The People it was written for. Exclusive interpretation of the Scriptures was, and remains, the most staggeringly powerful grip Catholicism holds over its adherents. Back then, they never saw the Scriptures, and still today, they are told what to believe that those Scriptures "really" mean.
Uh, huh - and what happened AFTER the invention of the printing press??
HOW MANY differing translations of Scripture exist today??
HOW MANY of them teach polar opposite things than other translations?
HOW MANY Scriptural perversions exist in those different translations because people claim to have been "LED" by the Holy sporit??
HOW MANY disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions have given way to MORE factions - ALL teaching different doctrines yet ALL claiming to have been "LED" by the Holy Spirit??

This absolute MESS was made by flawed, sinful MEN - not God, so don't put the blame on Him . . .
 
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Uh, huh - and what happened AFTER the invention of the printing press??
HOW MANY differing translations of Scripture exist today??
HOW MANY
of them teach polar opposite things than other translations?
HOW MANY Scriptural perversions exist in those different translations because people claim to have been "LED" by the Holy sporit??
HOW MANY disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions have given way to MORE factions - ALL teaching different doctrines yet ALL claiming to have been "LED" by the Holy Spirit??

This absolute MESS was made by flawed, sinful MEN - not God, so don't put the blame on Him . . .
Have you forgotten that the confounding of language was not of men, but of God. Will you now also blame Him for doing the same?

This you do because you do not fully understand. "Who is blind but My servant?"
 

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Have you forgotten that the confounding of language was not of men, but of God. Will you now also blame Him for doing the same?

This you do because you do not fully understand. "Who is blind but My servant?"
This isn't about a "confounding of language" - but perversion of Biblical doctrines.
 
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I doth protest E,
I read the link quicky, but I have to say that it's referring to the Council of Trent.
500 years ago.
Let's not be naive and gullible about this. Take a close look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church and see how many footnotes pertain to the rulings of the Council of Trent as of today. Not a single Catholic council has been deemed null and void. And don't forget Jesuit casuistry* ether.

* Specious or excessively subtle reasoning intended to rationalize or mislead.
 
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Most all the protestant creeds recognize the papacy as the Antichrist. As did others from about the tenth century until the French Revolution where the pope died in prison. But many saw the "deadly wound healed" in 1929 when the Vatican became a sovereign state again.
 
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Let's not be naive and gullible about this. Take a close look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church and see how many footnotes pertain to the rulings of the Council of Trent as of today. Not a single Catholic council has been deemed null and void. And don't forget Jesuit casuistry* ether.

* Specious or excessively subtle reasoning intended to rationalize or mislead.
WHY would a Council be deemed "null and void"?? This is the Catholic Church - not Protestantism, where doctrine changes at the splintering of a new sect.

Doctrine NEVER changes in Christ's Church.
 

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Most all the protestant creeds recognize the papacy as the Antichrist. As did others from about the tenth century until the French Revolution where the pope died in prison. But many saw the "deadly wound healed" in 1929 when the Vatican became a sovereign state again.
Really?
Can you show me tens of thousands of Protestant creeds that name the Pope as the Antichrist??
You said "MOST"
 

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Let's not be naive and gullible about this. Take a close look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church and see how many footnotes pertain to the rulings of the Council of Trent as of today. Not a single Catholic council has been deemed null and void. And don't forget Jesuit casuistry* ether.

* Specious or excessively subtle reasoning intended to rationalize or mislead.
I've more than "looked" at the CCC.
ONLY the footnotes that they NEED to use refer to the council of Trent.
A lot of scripture is used to.
And a lot of Papal bulls.

I'm not naiive or gullible...I just like the truth.
The church is not the church of the 1500's.

Things have changed even from Vatican I.

We Protestants need to update our beliefs about the Catholic church...stop saying nonsense about it (not you) and start, maybe, being serious about what we truly believe is non-scriptural.
 
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WHY would a Council be deemed "null and void"?? This is the Catholic Church - not Protestantism, where doctrine changes at the splintering of a new sect.

Doctrine NEVER changes in Christ's Church.
I beg to differ.
I site remarrieds and communion.
I know, you're going to say this isn't a doctrine.
WHAT!!!
 

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Most all the protestant creeds recognize the papacy as the Antichrist. As did others from about the tenth century until the French Revolution where the pope died in prison. But many saw the "deadly wound healed" in 1929 when the Vatican became a sovereign state again.
The anti-Christ is someone who is against Jesus.
We have here the most Protestant Pope ever...
And the most liberal.
 
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Doctrine NEVER changes in Christ's Church.
Which proves that the RCC is NOT "Christ's Church". The Mass clearly controverts the FINISHED work of Christ.
Who [Christ] needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. (Heb 7:27)

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all... For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Heb 10:10,14)

GodsGrace was of the opinion that the Council of Trent has no bearing on current Catholic doctrine. I just had to set her straight. All Catholic councils are deemed to be a part of Catholic "Sacred" or "Holy" Tradition. But as you can see from the above Scripture, Trent was totally off base, and so is the current Catholic sacrifice of the Mass.