"Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Faith" - Has 500 Years Taught Us Nothing?

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NOT according to Jesus and James.
Faith is worthless without love (work/charity).

Belief is NOT faith. James tells us that even the DEMONS believe (James 2:19).
Are YOU saying that they have "Faith"??

Faith is a marriage of Belief + Works.
That's why Paul refers to it as faith WORKING through love (Gal. 5:6).
All of the above is correct...
But it's also correct to say that salvation produces good works.
If one wants to serve God, he WILL do good works.

Some that make that statement believe in eternal security OR they don't believe in works....But the statement itself is correct.
 
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MANY
of your doctrines differ on ESSENTIAL matters - and are as different as Day and Night . . .

- SOME
Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
- Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
- Some
believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
- Some
believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
- Some
believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
- Some
believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
- Some
believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
- Some
believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
- Some
believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
- Some
believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
- MOST believe in contraception, while others do not– and the list goes on.

This is the tragedy of the spiritual pride of your Protestant Fathers.
The truth was up for grabs - and everybody claimed that the Holy Spirit "LED" them to this confusion . . .
Not those who embrace the ecumenical creeds. Those who do not are considered cults throughout Christendom.
 

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Not those who embrace the ecumenical creeds. Those who do not are considered cults throughout Christendom.
WRONG.

Some of the items I mentions are tenets pof Calvinism.
Last time I checked - Cavinists are neither ecumenical NOR are they considered cultist.
 

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All of the above is correct...
But it's also correct to say that salvation produces good works.
If one WANTS to serve God, he WILL do good works.

Some that make that statement believe in eternal security OR they don't believe in works....But the statement itself is correct.
They key word is "Wants".
That is part of faith - not salvation.

When we are finally saved - we will "want" for nothing . . .
 

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NOT according to Jesus and James.
Faith is worthless without love (work/charity).

Belief is NOT faith. James tells us that even the DEMONS believe (James 2:19).
Are YOU saying that they have "Faith"??

Faith is a marriage of Belief + Works.
That's why Paul refers to it as faith WORKING through love (Gal. 5:6).

Faith without works, not love.
 

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Faith without works, not love.
As I said earlier - Jesus DEFINES what our works are in today's Gospel:
Mark 12:29-31
Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

In the Lesson of the Sheep and Goats - Jesus explains just what "LOVING" your neighbor means
Matt. 25:35-36
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’

THOSE are WORKS - and THAT is LOVE, according to Christ.
 
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Jesus is Amillennial
Jesus is laughing right now at this absurd statement.

At the same time, Paul says that some suffer fools gladly. But God urges us to be wise, knowing the time.
 
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Jesus is laughing right now at this absurd statement.

At the same time, Paul says that some suffer fools gladly. But God urges us to be wise, knowing the time.
Find even one scripture where Jesus taught a physical kingdom.
 
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Amid ceremonies last year marking the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation, one of Protestantism’s leading branches has officially said it now agrees with the Vatican on the main issue at the root of its split from the Roman Catholic Church half a millennium ago. Thus, the signing of the "Joint Declaration of the Doctrine of Faith" by Catholics and Protestants:

Together we confess: "BY GRACE ALONE, IN CHRIST'S SAVING WORK and not because of any merit on our part,” its key passage said, “we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping us and calling us to good works."

The Protestant world rejoiced. But, ignorance and the desire to set aside doctrine is the reason why so many Protestants are blind to the fact that if there ever was an example of diabolical deception from the pits of hell, it is the above JDDJ statement.

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I. "BY GRACE ALONE" IS NOT THE SAME AS "BY FAITH ALONE"

IF YOU'RE A PROTESTANT...
...what is "grace" and from where is it obtained? Grace is God's forgiveness for our sin and empowerment to live the Christian life, which is made possible ALONE by the atoning death of Jesus on the Cross. It's obtained ALONE through the sinner's exercise of Jesus' faith (Revelation 14:12), of which God has dealt to every man a measure (Romans 12:3). The Protestant looks to God to supply everything:

"For by grace are you saved through faith, and that (both grace and faith) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

IF YOU'RE A CATHOLIC...
...what is "grace" and from where is it obtained? Grace is deliverance from Purgatory made possible ALONE by the "merit" of the good works of Mary, Jesus, the saints, etc., and is obtained ALONE through the pope and the priesthood through the granting of an indulgence. Grace is obtained through the church ALONE by faith in the "works of Jesus". What "works"? Read on:

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II. "IN CHRIST'S SAVING WORK..." IS NOT THE SAME AS "IN CHRIST'S ATONING SACRIFICE"

IF YOU'RE A PROTESTANT...
...Christ's atoning death and resurrection is ALONE the means by which God is able to pardon sinners, for His divine justice demands death to the sinner, and by the shedding of Christ's precious blood ALONE God can now be both Just for condemning the unjust and also the Justifier of them who by faith repent and claim His promise that He will make them just.

IF YOU'RE A CATHOLIC...
...it is the life and the works of Christ prior to Calvary which ALONE is important, for two reasons:

1) Christ's life of "good works" is what prompted God to arbitrarily grant the power to the catholic priesthood to forgive sins apart from the need for any atoning sacrifice and anyone seeking forgiveness need only go to the priesthood and confess their sin, and...

2) Christ's life of "good works", along with those of Mary and the saints, provides a bottomless "bucket of merit" from which the grace for deliverance from Purgatory that the priesthood grants to the faithful stems.
According to Catholicism, God has granted forgiveness for the sins of the faithful through the priesthood, but the faithful are still required to pay for those sins - in Purgatory - because Catholicism teaches Christ never paid the penalty for the sins of the faithful and that His death was an act of love, not payment.


"With regard to the mystic body of Christ, that is, all the faithful, the priest has the power of the keys, or the power of delivering sinners from Hell, of making them worthy of Paradise, and of changing them from the slaves of Satan into the children of God. And God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of His priests, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution...The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it." - St. Peter Damian.

From the online Catholic Courier:
"One theory, sometimes referred to as "substitution," "satisfaction" or "ransom" theology, was championed by St. Anselm in the 11th century. He believed that Christ's sacrificial death was necessary in order to liberate humanity from sin and restore communion with the Father, that the blood of Jesus was "payment" to God for human sin. (The manner of Christ's death reflected Old Testament sacrifices, where a lamb was burnt in offering and then later consumed by the worshippers.)

(By this, St. Anselm was a true Protestant in the making!)

"Anselm's theology prevailed, even though it was challenged by scholars such as Peter Abelard, a contemporary of Anselm, who insisted that Christ's death on the cross had been an act of love, not payment. Even St. Augustine, 700 years before, had reservations and asked in his De Trinitate: "Is it necessary to think that being God, the Father was angry with us, saw his son die for us and thus abated his anger against us?

(Can an institution which has historically denied the most central doctrine of our Creator - "without the shedding of blood there is no remission" - really trace its roots all the way back to the time when our Creator was made flesh?)

"A fair number of modern-day scholars, too, find the satisfaction theology (that Jesus had to shed His blood to atone for our sins) bothersome because of the way it images God. What kind of loving God, they argue, would demand such horrific suffering from his own Son in order to secure divine justice?

(To exoterics, the objection is for how "Blood Atonement" makes God appear to them as unloving, but to esoteric papists, it has to do with robbing Lucifer of the opportunity to worshiped as god, which these Luciferian Antichrists cannot abide. Should Protestants be part of any joint declaration with an institution which to this day yet denies the centrality and integrality of Jesus' blood atonement for sin?)

"What seems to me a reasonable explanation is this: God decided to send Jesus to live among us, to be fully human so that he could teach us and show us the ways of the Lord. Once he became human, death was inevitable; and because his teaching challenged both the religious and secular authorities of his day, a violent death was likely."
How can Protestantism endeavor to participate in anything "joint" with Catholicism when Catholicism has never changed its historic position on this and other things like infant baptism, the Immaculate Conception, Christ alone as Mediator, etc.? How can the Protestant world rejoice today, as if the monumental blasphemies of 500 years ago that divided us are now irrelevant? Only through monumental ignorance. Please get educated:


Indeed.

It has taught us nothing.

We are still obessed over style over substance.

The Reformation claimed to target a change of heart, but focused on doing so by changing the externals.
 
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Find even one scripture where Jesus taught a physical kingdom.
Since the whole Bible is from God, there are literally hundreds of Scriptures from Jesus which reveal that Christ will set up His literal, real, physical, glorious Kingdom on earth after His second coming. But even if we limit ourselves to the words of Christ while He was on earth, there are plenty of Scriptures which show the absurdity of Amillennialism.

"When the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory" is a reference to Christ as King of kings and Lord of Lords literally ruling over Israel and the world during the Millennium (and beyond).

1. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:30)

2. But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Mt 26:63,64)

3. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:...(Mt 25:31,32, and following)

4. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Mt 19:27,28)

5. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. (Mt 26:29)

6. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Acts 1:6,7)

Apart from the words of Christ, we have the words of the Holy Spirit.

7. For unto us a child [CHRIST] is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. (Isa 9:6,7)

8. And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness. (Isa 16:5)

[9] 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch [CHRIST] shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isa 11:1-12)

10. And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH;[CHRIST] and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
(Zech 6:12,13)

11. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. (Zech 14:8,9)
 
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Hi RB,
Many words of wisdom here.
Whatever we are able to do we do with the help of God. Without His help, we can do nothing.

As to your friend with little faith, Jesus said the faith of a mustard seed is enough. We're not all the same but God loves everyone that shows love for Him. Maybe you've had some nice experiences that have helped your faith along and your friend has not. I've just learned that we have to thank God for all the good things we have and try not to think of the bad ones --- even though we do, we're only human -- but we do need to let those thoughts go.

I'm just not sure what you mean by man's works and God's works.
I think anything we do that is good is a good work for God.
I think by man's works you mean what men accomplish...like men in govt.
Is this right?
I also dislike socialism, BTW, and do not have much faith in man.
I think it's the other way around my mate or most have had good experiences or are much blind to everything, I have always been open to God and people that are closed to God never will see.

I will believe in God when I see him he says, ha ha ! oh boy, how worldly can one get.
One who does not know the Holy Spirit is dead to it, so such people will only be ego driven.
Mans works are devoid of the Holy Spirit, it's just carnal works such is blind too the Holy Spirit.
There is no point in talking to such a one because they think you are beneath them. they think that the Bible was written by some idiot like themselves and the Bible point this out that they can not comprehend the Bible at all, because they lack the Holy Spirit to do so, so it's all rubbish to them, it's like another language in it's self.
Now some can pick up on the Book but the cares of the world manifest and take over strangling the Holy Spirit and Socialism takes root = mans works, they feel so puffed up with pride that this controls them and there mob.

A dude came up to Jesus and said good teacher, Jesus said why do you call me good ? that dude knew nether Jesus or what was good in fact.

Mans ego maybe the point that gets in the way of abiding in God's work. man thinks he is the measure of all things, but the fact is he is not.

One must abide in the Holy Spirit and let that lead you, or one only really truly fails.

Socialism is a Satanic work of man and his madness, not to mention that this nonsense rejects God, history proves this fact and anyone who knows and understands the depths of it's cunning deceptions can see clearly that it's a work of the Devil.
 

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Any Catholic who joins the Freemasons is automatically excommunicated. Pope Francis prefers to eat with homeless rather than big shots, and has washed the feet of prisoners in jail. Sorry that disturbs you. Catholics who didn't like Vatican II changes were the liberals because the changes were not radical enough. That was over 50 years ago and you weren't even born yet. Just because a pope communicates with atheists does not mean atheism is endorsed, that is plain stupid.
If you are going to be critical of Vatican II teachings, you should know what they are instead of adopting blind prejudice from ignorant anti-Catholics.

Why don't you pick one from this list, and make an INFORMED criticism: Documents of the Second Vatican Council


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President Plutarco Calles, center, came to power to execute
the Masonic plan to destroy the Church (late 1920's)


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The world ignored the Calles' government massacre of Mexican Catholics

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"...Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion..."
Declaration on Masonic Associations Nov 26, 1983

Yet anti-Catholics today still make the charge of Freemasonry in the Church.
I know the ruling of such and one would think that true about them being excommunicated but the fact is in the last 30 years I know of may RC Priest who are Freemasons, most are Jesuits, Pope Frances acts just like one.
Pope Frances is a great con-artist he is a disgrace, many within the RCC can not stand him, he is a creep show. the rubbish that he has come out with is a disgrace. he is very politically correct he does not want to offend anyone with saying Jesus Christ, he try's to avoid them words at all cost.
Jesuits were in bed with the Nazis and the Talmud Zionist, the Jesuits should all be kicked out of the RCC like they once were, because they are worldly they like to bee seen doing so called good, crap like washing the hooves of degenerates and eating with such, that's just a PR stunt.
Pope eats with all the big shots and kisses the Hand of the wealthiest man in the world in the same fashion as they kiss the Pope when sitting in a Chair, it's recorded to view it, what a grub !

I am sure and certain his lot are working to sell us out just like they did in WW2 with playing there cunning games. the Satanist are up to in agenda 21, the pope does not condemn so many things that he should be. the bastard turns a blind eye to so much that it's just not funny. who am I to judge he said of degenerates, he supports Sodom ! he still covers for child molesters.

I was only born 58 years ago I thought Vatican II was a good thing, but 3 cousins who are Priest them days did not and nor did any Catholic that I know, I remember all that clearly and they were not liberals.
I thought that Pope JP II was great and Pope Ben.
But I have seen what the RCC has become, it's a joke, Both of them Popes have said how shocked they were to see what the RCC has become.
I talk to people in the RCC they will love to talk about anything but Jesus Christ, that's the general rule they are lukewarm on Christ and they will back down on Christ but not on Political Correctness, then I have seen they become a fire breathing dragons if you offend the Socialist idols. not all mind but mostly under 60yo do.
What about Jesus I say, well maybe it's because he does not dictate does he, like the Jews and Islam and Socialist PC mobs all love to do.
 

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Since the whole Bible is from God, there are literally hundreds of Scriptures from Jesus which reveal that Christ will set up His literal, real, physical, glorious Kingdom on earth after His second coming. But even if we limit ourselves to the words of Christ while He was on earth, there are plenty of Scriptures which show the absurdity of Amillennialism.

"When the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory" is a reference to Christ as King of kings and Lord of Lords literally ruling over Israel and the world during the Millennium (and beyond).

1. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:30)

2. But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Mt 26:63,64)

3. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:...(Mt 25:31,32, and following)

4. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Mt 19:27,28)

5. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. (Mt 26:29)

6. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Acts 1:6,7)

Apart from the words of Christ, we have the words of the Holy Spirit.

7. For unto us a child [CHRIST] is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. (Isa 9:6,7)

8. And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness. (Isa 16:5)

[9] 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch [CHRIST] shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isa 11:1-12)

10. And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH;[CHRIST] and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
(Zech 6:12,13)

11. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. (Zech 14:8,9)
What is ammellinialism?
(or however it's spelled)

I don't like to learn from Google and trust you more.
 

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I think it's the other way around my mate or most have had good experiences or are much blind to everything, I have always been open to God and people that are closed to God never will see.

I will believe in God when I see him he says, ha ha ! oh boy, how worldly can one get.
One who does not know the Holy Spirit is dead to it, so such people will only be ego driven.
Mans works are devoid of the Holy Spirit, it's just carnal works such is blind too the Holy Spirit.
There is no point in talking to such a one because they think you are beneath them. they think that the Bible was written by some idiot like themselves and the Bible point this out that they can not comprehend the Bible at all, because they lack the Holy Spirit to do so, so it's all rubbish to them, it's like another language in it's self.
Now some can pick up on the Book but the cares of the world manifest and take over strangling the Holy Spirit and Socialism takes root = mans works, they feel so puffed up with pride that this controls them and there mob.

A dude came up to Jesus and said good teacher, Jesus said why do you call me good ? that dude knew nether Jesus or what was good in fact.

Mans ego maybe the point that gets in the way of abiding in God's work. man thinks he is the measure of all things, but the fact is he is not.

One must abide in the Holy Spirit and let that lead you, or one only really truly fails.

Socialism is a Satanic work of man and his madness, not to mention that this nonsense rejects God, history proves this fact and anyone who knows and understands the depths of it's cunning deceptions can see clearly that it's a work of the Devil.
Agreed. Socialism is supposed to make everyone be the same...yes, the same as in poverty stricken! It brings everyone down...not up; which is what's promised in that ism.

As you your friend, you said he had little faith --- sounds to me like he's an atheist.
And, as you said, atheists believe Christianity is a lot of nonsense.

If man does not believe in God or his need for God, then, of course, he thinks HE is God. He is , in effect, his own God. Sad.