The Israel Palestine Peace Plan

Keraz said:

We Christians are the Israelites of God, grafted into the One Israel, Jesus, who Overcame Satan at the Cross and we; His followers are the inheritors of God's Promises to ancient Israel. Galatians 3:26-29
Therefore we will go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it on His Day of wrath. Many prophesies confirm this. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16

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when we all get to heaven, what a day of rejoicing that will be, huh?

bbyrd009 said:

Jerusalem is much more effective as a symbol imo...

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On that basis you could make any Scripture mean anything on a whim. Sorry, but that is simply speculation. Jerusalem existed at the time of Abraham and will continue to exist on earth eternally.

And it will be the focus of the second coming of Christ, when the Mount of Olives outside Jerusalem will split into two.

ZECHARIAH 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. [THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST]

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Enoch111 said:

On that basis you could make any Scripture mean anything on a whim. Sorry, but that is simply speculation. Jerusalem existed at the time of Abraham and will continue to exist on earth eternally.

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How do you understand Revelation 21 Enoch?

Keraz said:

Couldn't posters have some respect for the OP? New Jerusalem could be discussed on another thread.

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Jerusalem, Israel, Zion, My people....these terms are used interchangeably in scripture. They refer to the same thing, namely God's chosen unless the context dictates otherwise.

As far as discussing the Israel/Palestinian peace plan, what is there to discuss? The conflict is so entrenched neither side knows what's up and what's down.
Focusing our energies on the middle east with the idea that this is where Jesus wants us to keep our attention is barking up the wrong tree.

The danger is within our own so called ranks....that's where the deception lies. That's what we are directed to look out for so that the coming flood won't sweep us away.

quietthinker said:

How do you understand Revelation 21 Enoch?

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Revelation 21 is about the New Jerusalem, which is a HEAVENLY CITY designed and built by God Himself (Heb 11:10). A unique city with 12 foundations, and having the dimensions of a gigantic cube -- 1500 cubic miles -- the size of a continent, and the cubic capacity of several continents. As one can see, this city will remain a heavenly body and give light to the New Earth.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. (Rev 21:23,24)

At the same time, redeemed and restored Jerusalem on earth, within greater Israel, will remain as an eternal city.

The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD. (Isa 2:1-5)

Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies: And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. (Isa 1:24-27)

it's like thisss,
and like that...

Enoch111 said:

On that basis you could make any Scripture mean anything on a whim.

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that is not true imo as the symbology of "Jerusalem" is pretty clear?

Enoch111 said:

Sorry, but that is simply speculation. Jerusalem existed at the time of Abraham and will continue to exist on earth eternally.

And it will be the focus of the second coming of Christ, when the Mount of Olives outside Jerusalem will split into two.

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Galilean, why do you stand there looking up into the sky? You will see Him come down in the same manner you saw Him go up, ok, so fwiw i would be careful about making definitive deterministic statements that you prolly can't back up?

Keraz said:

I do not have a personal grievance against any Muslim individual.

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no kidding

Keraz said:

I believe their religion is wrong

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and of course yours is right bc God loves you more i guess huh

Keraz said:

I have read the Koran; a difficult read, because it is repetitious, irrational and generally boring. Likewise the Buddhist, Hindu, etc books.

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you're kidding i hope, the Qur'an can be read in a weekend and upholds Christ and works meet for salvation, just like those others btw, and i tell you that many will come from east and west and recline with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom. You think you picked the correct religion or something? lol. i could destroy that in 3 vv

Keraz said:

From Bible prophecy, I see that they will be virtually wiped out and their holy places destroyed by the Lord's Day of wrath. Islam will be discredited and also when the Anti-Christ comes into power, he will ban Islam, along with every other religion, forcing all his subjects to worship him. Revelation 13:15

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well, the eye is the lamp of the body, Keraz, imo you will be surprised where God's Wrath falls i guess.
Sounds like a pretty good pit for others to be falling into tho i guess huh

satan is the ruler of the world right now bro, i gotta wonder when this coming into power you so confidently assert is going to occur?

Keraz said:

Couldn't posters have some respect for the OP? New Jerusalem could be discussed on another thread.

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ah well my apologies, we'll take it somewhere else, and best of luck to you in your journey ok
you might find out about that Hegelian thing that we are all so intimate with, fwiw

quietthinker said:

Jerusalem, Israel, Zion, My people....these terms are used interchangeably in scripture. They refer to the same thing, namely God's chosen unless the context dictates otherwise.

As far as discussing the Israel/Palestinian peace plan, what is there to discuss? The conflict is so entrenched neither side knows what's up and what's down.
Focusing our energies on the middle east with the idea that this is where Jesus wants us to keep our attention is barking up the wrong tree.

The danger is within our own so called ranks....that's where the deception lies. That's what we are directed to look out for so that the coming flood won't sweep us away.

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ty

Keraz said:

I see that they will be virtually wiped out

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ah yes, "they" will be virtually wiped out, of course, and where else have we heard this before Keraz?

This is what is popularly known as "the Final Solution," ok?

you don't realize maybe that when you say this you are digging a pit for "others" to fall into, yes?

Keraz said:

Islam will be discredited and also when the Anti-Christ comes into power, he will ban Islam

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um, i thought Islam was the antichrist, back on pg1?

Keraz said:

But anyone with knowledge of Islam, will realize that any deal with them, is only made to further their plans and preparations to achieve their final aim of world dominance.

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But anyone with knowledge of google can google who spends the most on military bases in foreign countries and "defense" (and incidentally who makes the best jokes about it) and who has the most Central Bank (and who makes the best jokes about it, "Federal Reserve" and various other hilarious little jokes like that), etc, see, so your words might sound good to you, but even the facts certainly do not bear out your divided pov, you have already witnessed that you have no personal grievances against Muslims, see

you even send all of your money, plus all you can borrow, just like US, to the most radical and fundamental sect of Islam, every time you fill up your gas tank, huh Keraz. No hypocrisy there though right

imo do yourself a favor bro, go to "church" this Sunday and "worship," ok, sing "when we all get to heaven" with all of the other deceived, and let "them" do what they want too, for your own sake. Bc if you judge, you are going to be judged awright, and i'm sure you don't want that

Keraz said:

What I promote is what the Prophetic Word tells us.

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you only say that bc you have never heard Word wadr, and it is glaringly obvious, ok?

the kingdom does not and will not come by observation, such as you insist

Keraz said:

It is God who has the final say on the outcome of His Creation.

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if you really believed this then your syntax would change, see, bc you have already made many, many statements as if they were Absolute Truth, without any qualifiers whatsoever, as if you were God, and fwiw i forgive you, ok, i liked standing there myself, very comfy huh

Keraz said:

If what they say doesn't suit your beliefs, then who is up for Judgement?

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who would be my judge in this scenario, Keraz?

Keraz said:

what God has so clearly told us

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ha good one btw

bbyrd009 said:

making definitive deterministic statements that you prolly can't back up?

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Since I supplied the Scriptures, that is more than sufficient to establish definitive and deterministic statements. But your view of the Scriptures does not correspond to that of most Christians. You have some very strange and off the wall ideas about most of what we discuss.