The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

Keraz said:
I post what the Bible prophets wrote.
Therefore you must want to correct them, as what they tell us contradicts your beliefs.

The problem is you post what you think they mean when they didn't.

Enoch111 · Nov 13, 2018

Naomi25 said:
When it comes to God's word...assumptions shouldn't come into it at all, not for something this important.

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between assumptions and implications. Today, there are way too many Christians who expect the Bible to read like a textbook on Systematic Theology. If they do not find an exact statement of some kind, for them it means that the truth is not there. That is why spiritual discernment is required to understand Scripture.

1. Only God can restrain Satan. Study Job if you are not familiar with this fundamental truth. It is God who has appointed the Holy Spirit to be on earth to fulfil a number of ministries since Pentecost, including the restraint of evil. The full impact of Satanic deception is being withheld until the appropriate time.

2. The Church -- the Body of Christ -- is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit is taken out of the way, then it follows that the Church too is taken out of the way. Which means that the Rapture will be followed by the appearance of the Antichrist.

3. The evidence for this is that between Revelation 6 and 18 you will NOT find the word "church" or "churches". That is in marked contrast to the first three chapters.This portion of Revelation corresponds to the time when the Antichrist will be in control, which will be followed by the Great Tribulation.

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

Naomi25 said:
Yes, that is clearer. But...it still doesn't explain why the Church must leave. Yes, I know the HS is present within 'The Church'. But if we're talking, strictly, about the HS moving aside specifically to let the Man of Lawlessness forward, then there is still nothing that necessitates the Church from having to be gone.It is not an ipso facto situation. You are still seeing the Church being removed because you want it to be, not because it has to be, or because the text demands it.

Because revelation 3:10 says we will not be part of the hour testing, but the whole world will. So we can't be here.

If that the restrainer steps aside and we're here then we would be a primary target of Satan and that verse would be a lie.

So yes, the text demands it.

I'm not sure that I ever suggested that the Restrainer was the Antichrist himself. Because you are right...it hardly makes sense that the Antichrist must be taken out of the way before the Antichrist can be revealed.

Really? But that brings us back to the Angel locking away, or 'restraining' Satan in Rev 20, and the Antichrist is just a man, is he not? Sure, the angel would have done so in the name of God, but all angels would act on and under the authority, and therefore power of, their Lord and God.

But Satan is not lockeda way currently.

The AC is a demon processed man, just as the false prophet will be. But he is not the man of lawlessness, because has been active throughout history.

Or...what if it IS the HS? It could indeed be the HS. But as I mentioned before, there is nothing in the text, or reason itself, to suggest that the HS, 'stepping back' in that area, necessitates the Church leaving. It is only assumption on a grand scale that suggests that the Church as a whole HAS to leave for the HS to do that. Where does it say, suggest or even hint at that process in scripture?

Not sure what else to say except the holy spirit cannot be here if the church he operates through is also here.

I think God can do anything. If Jesus Christ can be both man and God...laying aside his divinity, but, if he had chosen to, able to take it back up in an instant...but stil...fully man...I think we can say that in the mystery and power of God...the HS can remain in us, but "release the Kraken", so to speak.

No. Because during the trib everyone on the earth will be subject to testing.

It does? Well...show me where it names the HS as the restrainer, specifically.
As for alternatives...please read above.

As shown, your alternatives do not work.

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

Enoch111 said:
There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between assumptions and implications. Today, there are way too many Christians who expect the Bible to read like a textbook on Systematic Theology. If they do not find an exact statement of some kind, for them it means that the truth is not there. That is why spiritual discernment is required to understand Scripture.

1. Only God can restrain Satan. Study Job if you are not familiar with this fundamental truth. It is God who has appointed the Holy Spirit to be on earth to fulfil a number of ministries since Pentecost, including the restraint of evil. The full impact of Satanic deception is being withheld until the appropriate time.

2. The Church -- the Body of Christ -- is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit is taken out of the way, then it follows that the Church too is taken out of the way. Which means that the Rapture will be followed by the appearance of the Antichrist.

3. The evidence for this is that between Revelation 6 and 18 you will NOT find the word "church" or "churches". That is in marked contrast to the first three chapters.This portion of Revelation corresponds to the time when the Antichrist will be in control, which will be followed by the Great Tribulation.

Notice also the lampstands of the Church are gone, just the lamps remains, which were also present in the lampstand of Israel:

5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spiritsa]">[a] of God.

So why don't we see the Church? Because it is in the marriage chamber

Marriage Super of the Lamb

Naomi25 · Nov 13, 2018

Enoch111 said:
There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between assumptions and implications. Today, there are way too many Christians who expect the Bible to read like a textbook on Systematic Theology. If they do not find an exact statement of some kind, for them it means that the truth is not there. That is why spiritual discernment is required to understand Scripture.

Assumption: "a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof."

Yes, implication is different, and at times we are to draw them from scripture. But on these occasions we do so from other scriptures that speak about the subject in question. We pool together what we know about it to make "informed" implications.
Insisting that 1) the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, and 2) therefore the Church has to be gone for that 'Restrainer' to also be gone...is not implication. It fits neatly into the category of assumption.
Unless you can provide biblical evidence for your informed, implied reasoning..?

1. Only God can restrain Satan. Study Job if you are not familiar with this fundamental truth. It is God who has appointed the Holy Spirit to be on earth to fulfil a number of ministries since Pentecost, including the restraint of evil. The full impact of Satanic deception is being withheld until the appropriate time.

I keep saying this, but apparently you guys have selective hearing (reading..?). Maybe the actual bible verse will make my point clearer:

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him.. -Revelation 20:1–3

et, voila. One angel, restraining Satan.

Also:

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.-2 Thessalonians 2:7

Clearly evil is not being 'restrained'. Lawlessness abounds now. It will get worse then.

2. The Church -- the Body of Christ -- is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit is taken out of the way, then it follows that the Church too is taken out of the way. Which means that the Rapture will be followed by the appearance of the Antichrist.

See, this is just another assumption. Where does it say that the Church HAS to leave? You cannot even prove it is the HS, let alone that there is a rule that the HS within the Church must leave before the Lawless one can be revealed. It's a big bunch of assumptions that follow on from one another.
Yes the Church is indwelt. But there is absolutely nothing preventing the HS (if he is the Restrainer) from withdrawing his 'restraint' from a particular area to allow this to come about. For example: one of the reasons the world has not completely imploded is because of God's common grace. The grace he extends to even those who are not his. If he withdraws this? If his grace only remains on believers? Then you will see the chaos and evil you paint, mark my words.
That scenario, also, is an assumption. But it is no more or less of an assumption than yours.

3. The evidence for this is that between Revelation 6 and 18 you will NOT find the word "church" or "churches". That is in marked contrast to the first three chapters.This portion of Revelation corresponds to the time when the Antichrist will be in control, which will be followed by the Great Tribulation.

That is not proof, sorry. That's like saying "the book of James and Philemon don't mention the Holy Spirit, so he's not on earth in the believers then".
Or, that the word 'church' also doesn't appear in Titus, Hebrews and 1 & 2 Peter, therefore the Church must be "gone" then as well.
We see the word "Saints" used all throughout the NT, so the fact that it is used for believers in Revelation shouldn't be seen as a "special code" that the Church has been whisked away. And if there are believers there, it becomes, once again, only assumption that the Church as a whole was taken away, and that these new 'Saints', are somehow a different category of believer.

Taken · Nov 13, 2018

Naomi25 said:
Yes, that is clearer. But...it still doesn't explain why the Church must leave.

The Lord is completing His DIVISION...
why would you believe His Church would remain ON Earth?

God Bless,
Taken

Naomi25 · Nov 13, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Because revelation 3:10 says we will not be part of the hour testing, but the whole world will. So we can't be here.

If that the restrainer steps aside and we're here then we would be a primary target of Satan and that verse would be a lie.

So yes, the text demands it.

If Rev 3:10 says we will not be a part of the hour of testing, it still does not say we will be yanked off the planet. And we also must take into consideration Jesus words here:

I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.-John 17:15

We know it is quite possible for God to protect his own amongst trial and hardship and judgement upon the earth (the flood, the judgement of Sodom, Shadrach, Mechach and Abednego). So again, why do we need to place an assumption upon the text that is not there?

The promise of God to spare his followers his wrath upon the world does not (and never has...witness the ongoing numbers of martyrs around the world) keep us from harship and worldly persecution.

So, no, the text does not demand it.

But Satan is not lockeda way currently.

The AC is a demon processed man, just as the false prophet will be. But he is not the man of lawlessness, because has been active throughout history.

Not sure how Satan's current status comes into it.
Not exactly sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that the "man of lawlessness" is not the AC, because the man of lawlessness has been active throughout history?

Because...that's not really what the text says. The text says the the power of lawlessness has been at work. That's like John saying that while THE final Antichrist will come, there have been many antichrist's already. In other words, the spirit of wickedness is out there, opposing God in iniquity and evil. But at the time of the end there will arise the final one, The Man. The restraints will be rolled back and Satan will get his last roll of the dice.

But still...none of this changes my initial point, really. The text doesn't specify who the Restrainer is. To insert a "must be" and then pin a tail of "and if that must be, then all this has to come after that" is a series of guesses that the text doesn't allow.

Not sure what else to say except the holy spirit cannot be here if the church he operates through is also here.

Wait, what? The Holy Spirit cannot be here unless the Church is? Except all the time when he was when the Church wasn't. You know...all that time before Pentecost? And since when are we saying what God can and can't do, and where he can and can't go??

No. Because during the trib everyone on the earth will be subject to testing.

Not sure about your reference to "testing" here, or what it has to do with you not allowing God to do what he wants. It seems like you have a bit of a list of what is and is not possible or allowed for him to do. Maybe you could put it in a memo for him?

As shown, your alternatives do not work.

Only according to you. You who provides no other scripture to back up your assumptions. You who wave your hand and say God can't do this and must do that. You do get, right, that God is all-powerful and everywhere at the same time? Not that he CAN be, but that he IS. And that he actually can't give up those traits? He cannot be less than what he is. He can see his will done, which is what will happen. But for you to go "yeah, the HS HAS to be off planet at this time, or that plan won't fly" is just a little...well...funny. Sorry.

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

Naomi25 said:
If Rev 3:10 says we will not be a part of the hour of testing, it still does not say we will be yanked off the planet. And we also must take into consideration Jesus words here:

Sorry, I have to do some triming to meet the word count limit.

I do not ask that you take them out of the world, -John 17:15

That verse isn't not talking about an event that will hit every one on the whole earth. Is localized, so taken of the local area and it is tereo ek

We know it is quite possible for God to protect his own amongst trial and hardship and judgement

That was not about judgment or testing from God. The tribulation tests the whole world.
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The promise of God to spare his followers his wrath

None of what you've listed is tribulation period, the time of testing. It is not from God. You are talking out of context.

So, no, the text does not demand it.

It most assuredly does.

Here it is in the Greek.
10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. o&ti CONJ ejthvrhsa? V-AAI-2S to;n T-ASM lovgon N-ASM th'? T-GSF uJpomonh'? N-GSF mou, P-1GS kajgwv P-1NS se P-2AS thrhvsw V-FAI-1S ejk PREP th'? T-GSF w&ra? N-GSF tou' T-GSM peirasmou' N-GSM th'? T-GSF mellouvsh? V-PAP-GSF e~rcesqai V-PNN ejpi; PREP th'? T-GSF oijkoumevnh? N-GSF o&lh? A-GSF peiravsai V-AAN tou;? T-APM katoikou'nta? V-PAP-APM ejpi; PREP th'? T-GSF gh'?. N-GSF

Strong's Number: 5083

Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
threvw from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to (2334))
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tereo 8:140,1174
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
tay-reh'-o Verb
Definition

to attend to carefully, take care of
1. to guard
2. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
3. to observe
4. to reserve: to undergo something

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1537 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
ejk a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ek literal or figurative
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ek

Preposition
Definition

out of, from, by, away from

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 5610 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
w&ra apparently a primary word
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Hora 9:675,1355
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ho'-rah Noun Feminine
Definition

a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and returning with the revolving year
1. of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter
the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day
a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)
any definite time, point of time, moment

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3986 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
peirasmovß from (3985)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Peirasmos 6:23,822
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pi-ras-mos' Noun Masculine
Definition

an experiment, attempt, trial, proving
1. trial, proving: the trial made of you by my bodily condition, since condition served as to test the love of the Galatians toward Paul (Gal. 4:
1. the trial of man's fidelity, integrity, virtue, constancy
  1. an enticement to sin, temptation, whether arising from the desires or from the outward circumstances
  2. an internal temptation to sin 1b
2. of the temptation by which the devil sought to divert Jesus the Messiah from his divine errand
  1. of the condition of things, or a mental state, by which we are enticed to sin, or to a lapse from the faith and holiness
  2. adversity, affliction, trouble: sent by God and serving to test or prove one's character, faith, holiness
3. temptation (i.e. trial) of God by men
  1. rebellion against God, by which his power and justice are, as it were, put to the proof and challenged to show themselves

Keraz · Nov 13, 2018

CoreIssue said:
The problem is you post what you think they mean when they didn't.

Putting aside all the plainly stated prophesies of the Old Testament, that vividly describe the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath that will come upon everyone, there are a few NT scriptures that you avoid because they blow your fanciful belief of a 'rapture to heaven' out of the water:
Matthew 3:11-12...Jesus will baptize you with fire, coming with His winnowing fork, purging His house.....
1 Corinthians 3:13 We will all be tested by fire......
1 Peter 4:12 Do not be surprised by the fiery ordeal that will come to test you....
Hebrews 10:26-27...only a terrifying expectation of a fierce fire.....
Hebrews 12:7-8 You must endure God's discipline and testing, for if you escape this, for all must partake of it, then you are illegitimate and not His true children.

So YOUR problem is that the Bible doesn't say what you think it means.

Vexatious · Nov 13, 2018

Naomi25 said:
If Rev 3:10 says we will not be a part of the hour of testing, it still does not say we will be yanked off the planet. And we also must take into consideration Jesus words here:

Lying is the natural language of pretribbers. They say Rev 3:10 teaches the pre-trib rapture. You're right that Rev 3:10 doesn't say the church of Sardis will be yanked off the planet. It says they'll be watched or protected, in other words they'll stay right on Earth during the "testing". Another problem for the pretribbers is that this is said to the church of Sardis, a First-century church, not a 21st-century church, so it was a first-century testing Sardis was offered protection from. Those liars, pretribbers, claim the seven churches represent seven church ages. They claim Laodicea, not Sardis, represents the last church age, so what's said to Sardis can't be applied to today.

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

Keraz said:
Putting aside all the plainly stated prophesies of the Old Testament, that vividly describe the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath that will come upon everyone, there are a few NT scriptures that you avoid because they blow your fanciful belief of a 'rapture to heaven' out of the water:
Matthew 3:11-12...Jesus will baptize you with fire, coming with His winnowing fork, purging His house.....
1 Corinthians 3:13 We will all be tested by fire......
1 Peter 4:12 Do not be surprised by the fiery ordeal that will come to test you....
Hebrews 10:26-27...only a terrifying expectation of a fierce fire.....
Hebrews 12:7-8 You must endure God's discipline and testing, for if you escape this, for all must partake of it, then you are illegitimate and not His true children.

So YOUR problem is that the Bible doesn't say what you think it means.

You obviously did not read my post above it contained a lot of proofs.

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

Vexatious said:
Lying is the natural language of pretribbers. They say Rev 3:10 teaches the pre-trib rapture. You're right that Rev 3:10 doesn't say the church of Sardis will be yanked off the planet. It says they'll be watched or protected, in other words they'll stay right on Earth during the "testing". Another problem for the pretribbers is that this is said to the church of Sardis, a First-century church, not a 21st-century church, so it was a first-century testing Sardis was offered protection from. Those liars, pretribbers, claim the seven churches represent seven church ages. They claim Laodicea, not Sardis, represents the last church age, so what's said to Sardis can't be applied to today.

We're currently in the sixth and seventh church ages jointly. The sixth is raptured and the seventh spit out into the trib.

All the aspects of the prior ages exist today in different denominations, etc.

What you're claiming makes God a liar since nobody will be tereo ek in your thinking.

ScottA · Nov 13, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Most Christians do not seem to understand the biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture. But a proper study of the whole Bible confirms that it is a divine necessity. Here are the reasons why it is necessary for the Church (the children of God on earth, Jews and Gentiles in one Body) to be taken out, and taken up to Heaven, before the reign of the Antichrist, and the Tribulation and Great Tribulation which are connected to his reign.

1. The Antichrist cannot take TOTAL CONTROL of the earth until and unless the Church (indwelt by the Holy Spirit) and the Holy Spirit Himself are “taken out of the way”. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Restrainer of Satan and the Antichrist. See 2 Thessalonians 2.

2. The Tribulation is primarily an expression of the wrath of Satan against the Jews, and particularly against the believing remnant of Jews (Daniel 12 and Revelation 12). This is called “the time of Jacob’s trouble” and has nothing to do with the Church. At the same time, God begins to pour out His judgments upon the earth. There are seven trumpet judgments, and the first six belong to this period. Revelation 8-13.

3. It is the Antichrist who sets up the Abomination of Desolation in the future temple at Jerusalem. This is called “the image of the Beast” in Revelation 13. And all those who refuse to worship this image are beheaded. These are the Tribulation saints (primarily Jews), since the whole Church is certainly not beheaded.

4. It is the Abomination of Desolation which triggers the Great Tribulation on earth (see Matthew 24). The seventh trumpet judgment belongs to this period (Revelation 14-18). While that is happening on earth, the saints are all in Heaven for two reasons: (1) attendance at the Judgment Seat of Christ, in order to have their works judged, and to receive their rewards (2 Corinthians 5:10 and other passages) and (2) attendance at the Marriage of the Lamb as the Bride of Christ (Revelation 19). The Church is not only the Body and Building of Christ, but also the Bride of Christ, and unless the Marriage of the Lamb is accomplished, the Lord will not return to earth with His saints and angels (Revelation 19).

5. The Tribulation is during the first half of Daniel’s 70th week (3 ½ years) while the Great Tribulation (also called the Day of the Lord) is during the second half of this week of years (3 ½ years, less some months). This entire period has nothing to do with the Church, and corresponds to Revelation 6-18. And it is significant that in these chapters of Revelation there is no mention of “church” “the church” or “churches”.

Hahahaha... You didn't prove the Rapture, you proved that Christ was slain before the foundation of the world!

Enoch111 · Nov 13, 2018

ScottA said:
Hahahaha... You didn't prove the Rapture, you proved that Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world!

You would have to strain at (out) gnats and swallow camels to come to that conclusion.

Or should we say "Beam me up, Scotty!"

CoreIssue · Nov 13, 2018

ScottA said:
Hahahaha... You didn't prove the Rapture, you proved that Christ was slain before the foundation of the world!

Not in fact, but in plan and promise, as are a lot of other things. And off topic.

Revelation 13:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.a]">[a]

Keraz · Nov 13, 2018

CoreIssue said:
You obviously did not read my post above it contained a lot of proofs.

Your lengthy posting of word definitions had nary a scintilla of proof of a rapture.
But you blithely ignore my credible proofs.
Sad really, so blinded and deceived that no amount of Bible truth can convince you of your wrong beliefs.

Naomi25 · Nov 13, 2018

Taken said:
The Lord is completing His DIVISION...
why would you believe His Church would remain ON Earth?

God Bless,
Taken

There is no division.

The Law and the Promise
[15] To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. [16] Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. [17] This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. [18] For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

[19] Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. [20] Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

[21] Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. [22] But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

[23] Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. [24] So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [26] for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. [27] For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:15–29

Paul makes it pretty clear that in Christ Jesus we are all heirs of the Abrahamic promise.
To insist on this 'division' you are again reading into scripture what is not there. Indeed, what Paul has worked hard to remove from scripture.
That is why I believe the Church will remain...that and Christ's reference to "not taking us out of the world". When Jesus comes in his second coming, all things will come to an end, and all his people...all people found in Christ...both Jews and Gentiles...will then be Raptured to him in the clouds. When reading the verses that talk of Jesus' return, all these events happen AT his return. All these divisions, separations, timelines etc, are inserts by people wanting to see their own end times theology in the passages. I have yet to be shown any scripture that backs their theories up.

Naomi25 · Nov 13, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Here it is in the Greek.
10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. o&ti CONJ ejthvrhsa? V-AAI-2S to;n T-ASM lovgon N-ASM th'? T-GSF uJpomonh'? N-GSF mou, P-1GS kajgwv P-1NS se P-2AS thrhvsw V-FAI-1S ejk PREP th'? T-GSF w&ra? N-GSF tou' T-GSM peirasmou' N-GSM th'? T-GSF mellouvsh? V-PAP-GSF e~rcesqai V-PNN ejpi; PREP th'? T-GSF oijkoumevnh? N-GSF o&lh? A-GSF peiravsai V-AAN tou;? T-APM katoikou'nta? V-PAP-APM ejpi; PREP th'? T-GSF gh'?. N-GSF

Strong's Number: 5083

Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
threvw from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to (2334))
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tereo 8:140,1174
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
tay-reh'-o Verb
Definition

to attend to carefully, take care of

to guard

metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is

to observe

to reserve: to undergo something

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1537 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
ejk a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ek literal or figurative
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ek Preposition
Definition

out of, from, by, away from

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 5610 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
w&ra apparently a primary word
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Hora 9:675,1355
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ho'-rah Noun Feminine
Definition

a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and returning with the revolving year

of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter

the daytime (bounded by the rising and setting of the sun), a day

a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, (the twelve hours of the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun)

any definite time, point of time, moment

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3986 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
peirasmovß from (3985)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Peirasmos 6:23,822
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pi-ras-mos' Noun Masculine
Definition

an experiment, attempt, trial, proving

trial, proving: the trial made of you by my bodily condition, since condition served as to test the love of the Galatians toward Paul (Gal. 4:

the trial of man's fidelity, integrity, virtue, constancy

an enticement to sin, temptation, whether arising from the desires or from the outward circumstances

an internal temptation to sin 1b

of the temptation by which the devil sought to divert Jesus the Messiah from his divine errand

of the condition of things, or a mental state, by which we are enticed to sin, or to a lapse from the faith and holiness

adversity, affliction, trouble: sent by God and serving to test or prove one's character, faith, holiness

temptation (i.e. trial) of God by men

rebellion against God, by which his power and justice are, as it were, put to the proof and challenged to show themselves

And absolutely none of that says that we must be in heaven to be "kept" from it. Was Noah in heaven? Was Lot?
By your own 'school of belief' there is a whole bunch of Jews who will be protected and 'kept' from trials in the last half of the Tribulation, no? Will they be taken to heaven? Nope...God'll do it on earth.
So....?

Naomi25 · Nov 14, 2018

Vexatious said:
Lying is the natural language of pretribbers.

Oh, what absolute rubbish! I have never heard anything that ridiculous in my life! As I've said before...I know, and have known many 'pretribbers' and not only haven't they been liars, but they've been incredible, wonderful people of God I only hope I can live up to.

I'm sorry, but I call personal vendetta. Only something of that nature would end up leaving someone so bitter and with a twisted and distorted view about a group of people. And it IS a group of PEOPLE you are hating on. Go back and look at your words, you are never careful to distinguish between what they believe and them themselves. You hate these people.

n2thelight · Nov 14, 2018

How were the Israelites protected from the wrath of God during the plagues?
Were they raptured?No!!it was by the blood.

In the end it shall be by the seal of God,ie,truth...

Why were the Elect not raptured?Please don't say they are the tribulation saints,as it's no such thing,yes people will come out of babylon(confusion)but it will be because of the Elect,with the Holy Spirit speaking through them.

Deception will cost a lot of people,by peace shall destroy many,yet you all worried bout getting your head chopped off,get out of here

Do a study on how Christians were tortured throughout time,yet somehow you gonna escape,please ,not gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!

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