His Name

amadeus said:

Lots of tracks, seemingly, various types or shadows of the one reality helping us understand if our hearts are open to hear His voice. an see His face. Jesus is the real truth, but there many types of him to be seen throughout the scriptures which can help us fill in all of the empty places and to move from seeing as through a glass darkly to that "face to face" vision.
Give God the glory!

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First, thank you for your response. I know everything in Scripture correlates, but I was more interested in Genesis 4:25 and how it relates to Psalms 2:7 since I did not know how to articulate and mesh them together.

Please don't misunderstand what I've just said. I do see what you're trying to convey.

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u said:

I'm glad it's only your opinion. Sure, God is love but He also HATES workers of iniquity!

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wadr i seriously doubt it, but i am not the arbiter of who God loves and hates, so i'll refrain there, and i hope you understand it's perfectly ok with me if you want to consider Esau a lost worker of iniquity ok. But imo you will then be surprised when he eats some of the "red stuff" bc he feels like he is about to die even though he made it back to camp no probs, see, and you figure out what that deal he made with his brother really meant. Esau reps most people who go to "church," fwiw. And there is a reason that it is put "God had hated Esau."

i mean if you think about it do you really believe God "loves" or "hates" anyone or anything per se? The way we define those, as emotions? That is a literary device in a work of inspired literature, not a fact in a historical account imo

What was Esau's iniquity btw, anyway,
what do you condemn him for, since we're on the subject?
It's a sin to not accept an inheritance now?
If Esau was still so hated by God, then why do we find Jacob running away,
and Jacob supplicating Esau for peace when Jacob returns years later?
Returns to what is apparently even Esau's Inheritance to supplicate him?
i mean if it was Jacob's Inheritance why isn't he there instead of Esau
why hasn't Esau gone the way of Job, etc he sounds fat and happy to us right?

so you might consider the possibility that you will one day be sorry it's only my opinion too, ok

Looking over some of the replies. the Personal Name of God was not given in the OT as to "WHO" he vs "WHAT" he is in name.

as for the Names Jehovah, AKA Yahweh, these are made up names by men who translated our bibles.

here's the 1st proof.

#1. Exod 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exod 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

the tetragrammaton, or "I AM" is a verb and not a Noun. and PERSONAL name are not verbs. basic English tells us this.
"I AM" H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).

as we can see, it's a verb and not a noun.

and to get the Names Jehovah, and Yahweh, men injected vowels into the tetragrammaton.

The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH.

and any time one add to the word of God, you put the noose around your neck. as we will see in proof #2.

Proof #2. God made this statement. Exod 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
if God was not known to them, especially Abraham in Genesis, it before Exod 6:3, why was the name JEHOVAH in Abraham mouth?.

BG, how have you been, is it getting colder up there?

I better stay on topic.
Proof #3. WHAT vs WHO in Name.

if I was to ask "WHAT" was the first woman name? many would say "EVE", that would be incorrect. because I asked "WHAT" was her name. the correct answer would be "Adam". yes, Adam because that's what she is, supportive scripture,
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

their NAME is Adam, because that's "WHAT" they are in name, and not "WHO" they are in name.

knowing this, go back to
Exod 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

see what Moses asked "WHAT" is your name. not "WHO" are you in Name. big diffrence.

What is the Name of God.... stright to the POINT.... "JESUS".

Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I".

#1. if they shall know then that's future.

#2. and he tells us how to identify him..."I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I".

I am he? when did he, God almighty, say I am he? let's check the record.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins".

this is the Lord Jesus speaking.

now when did he wear the Name of JESUS.
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

that same son of
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

that son who is the Mighty God. can we back that up, yes,
Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

who is coming to save you? GOD, that son of Isaiah 9:6 who name is JESUS, the mighty God. its too easy

101G said:

who is coming to save you? GOD, that son of Isaiah 9:6 who name is JESUS, the mighty God. its too easy

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With the same breath, 101G says the Son in Isaiah 9:6 is also the Mighty God who is the Father. TOO EASY?

101G teaches the “ONENESS” gospel, meaning the Father and the Son are ONE GOD apart from the HOLY SPIRIT. Unbeknown to him there are three distinct persons that subsist in the Godhead. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The diabolical sons of Arius teach the same “ONENESS” doctrine. So they quote Deuteronomy 6:4, “Hear, O Israel The LORD (YHWH/JEHOVAH our God (ELOHIM, plural Hebrew word) is one LORD (YHWH/JEHOVAH).

Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit declared in 2Corintians 13:14 “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen.

Can anyone deny the above is NOT Scripture, the word of God?

But perhaps the most dramatic declaration of the Trinity lies in the manner in which the Scriptures declares that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ALIKE raised Jesus from among the dead!

In Acts 13:30 as well as Romans 6:4, is plainly stated that God the Father resurrected our dear Savior. Christ was raised from among the dead by the glory of the Father, we read. Yet in John 2:19; 10:17,19, we’re specifically taught that the Son raised Himself from among the dead. For it is said, Jesus answered them, ‘destroy the temple and in three days I will raise it up again,’ and He spoke of the temple of His body and He said: I will raise it up.

And again Christ said: ”Therefore doth my Father love me because I lay down my life that I might take it again. No man takes my life from me, I lay it down by myself, I have the power to lay it down, I have the power to take it up again.”

Yet the apostle Paul and Peter insist that the Savior was resurrected from among the dead by God the Holy Spirit. Christ has once suffered for sins to be put to death by the flesh made alive by the Holy Spirit. How marvelous is the clarity of the testimony of the word of God? Jehovah is indeed ONE, as perfect unity in essence and substance yet He is three as to persons.

And so all of us in our hearts today should join in the doxology of the church:

Praise God in whom all blessings flow
Praise Him all creatures here below
Praise Him above ye heavenly hosts
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u said:

With the same breath, 101G says the Son in Isaiah 9:6 is also the Mighty God who is the Father. TOO EASY?

101G teaches the “ONENESS” gospel, meaning the Father and the Son are ONE GOD apart from the HOLY SPIRIT. Unbeknown to him there are three distinct persons that subsist in the Godhead. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The diabolical sons of Arius teach the same “ONENESS” doctrine. So they quote Deuteronomy 6:4, “Hear, O Israel The LORD (YHWH/JEHOVAH our God (ELOHIM, plural Hebrew word) is one LORD (YHWH/JEHOVAH).

Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit declared in 2Corintians 13:14 “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen.

Can anyone deny the above is NOT Scripture, the word of God?

But perhaps the most dramatic declaration of the Trinity lies in the manner in which the Scriptures declares that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ALIKE raised Jesus from among the dead!

In Acts 13:30 as well as Romans 6:4, is plainly stated that God the Father resurrected our dear Savior. Christ was raised from among the dead by the glory of the Father, we read. Yet in John 2:19; 10:17,19, we’re specifically taught that the Son raised Himself from among the dead. For it is said, Jesus answered them, ‘destroy the temple and in three days I will raise it up again,’ and He spoke of the temple of His body and He said: I will raise it up.

And again Christ said: ”Therefore doth my Father love me because I lay down my life that I might take it again. No man takes my life from me, I lay it down by myself, I have the power to lay it down, I have the power to take it up again.”

Yet the apostle Paul and Peter insist that the Savior was resurrected from among the dead by God the Holy Spirit. Christ has once suffered for sins to be put to death by the flesh made alive by the Holy Spirit. How marvelous is the clarity of the testimony of the word of God? Jehovah is indeed ONE, as perfect unity in essence and substance yet He is three as to persons.

And so all of us in our hearts today should join in the doxology of the church:

Praise God in whom all blessings flow
Praise Him all creatures here below
Praise Him above ye heavenly hosts
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

To God Be The Glory

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first, thanks for the response.

second, please don't put words in my mouth. and if you're going to quote me please get it right.
no, I'm not a “ONENESS” gospel teacher, nor it's believer. I'm a "DIVERSIFIED ONENESS" gospel teacher, that I believe get it right please.

and this is the Gospel of Jesus the Christ. the title Father and the Title Son is the SAME PERSON diversified, meaning it's the same Spirit only "SHARED". Phil 2:6, 7 & 8 support this doctrine.

to prove my point, as I always ask, Jun2u take the Revelation 1:1 test. read the verse and tell us who sent "HIS" angel to "HIS" servent John. was it the Father, or the Son, but read Revelation 22:6 first, because the angel who was sent tells us who sent him,

your answer please. in answering it will see if your 2Corintians 13:14 hold up to your expectation....

your answer please, but read Revelation 1:1 first and then Revelation 22:6 and then your answer.

thanks in advance.

101G said:

second, please don't put words in my mouth. and if you're going to quote me please get it right.
no, I'm not a “ONENESS” gospel teacher, nor it's believer. I'm a "DIVERSIFIED ONENESS" gospel teacher, that I believe get it right, please.

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What’s the difference? It is still a “Oneness” gospel.

101G said:

and this is the Gospel of Jesus the Christ. the title Father and the Title Son is the SAME PERSON diversified, meaning it's the same Spirit only "SHARED". Phil 2:6, 7 & 8 support this doctrine.

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I beg to differ. The Bible is replete with Scripture verses that there are three distinct persons that subsist in the Godhead - uniplural. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is NOt the Son, the Son is NOT the Father, and likewise with the Holy Spirit.

101G said:

to prove my point, as I always ask, Jun2u take the Revelation 1:1 test. read the verse and tell us who sent "HIS" angel to "HIS" servent John. was it the Father, or the Son, but read Revelation 22:6 first, because the angel who was sent tells us who sent him,

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The word “angel” in Scripture means “messenger.” Depending on the context of the verse the “messenger” could either be the Father or the Son. We call this: “Theophany” and “Christology.”

1) Jesus is the messenger of the covenant Malachi 3:1.
2) Angels are spirit beings sent (messenger) to minister on behalf of the saints Hebrews 1:14.
3) People are messengers, “go ye therefore, and teach all nations...” Matthew 28:19.

THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF THE ANGEL OF THE LORD.

The angel of the LORD also said to her, "I will so greatly multiply your offspring that they cannot be counted for multitude" (Genesis 16:10).

Note: This angel said He Himself would multiply the descendants of Hagar.

After the appearance of the angel of the LORD Hagar said.
“She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me" (Genesis 16:13).

She believed that she had spoken directly to God.

To Abraham and Sarah at Mamre.

Three men appeared to Abraham and his wife Sarah at the plains of Mamre. One of the three visitors who gave them this information is specifically called the LORD.

The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the entrance of his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).

To Abraham to Mount Mariah

God told Abraham to bring his son Isaac to Mount Moriah to be sacrificed. The angel of the LORD stopped Abraham saying:

He said do not lay your hand on the boy. or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me" (Genesis 22:12).

He called a second time to Abraham:

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven (Genesis 22:15).

In this instance, the angel of the LORD, who called out to Abraham, seems to be the LORD Himself.

To Jacob.

This angel appeared a number of times to Jacob. (Genesis 31:11).

Jacob wrestled all night with a man who finally disabled him. The next morning Jacob understood that it was God Himself whom he had wrestled:

“And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).”

Moses At The Burning Bush.
(Exodus 3:2). The angel explained who he was (Exodus 3:6).
Although these appearances identify with the angel of the LORD with the LORD Himself, there are other appearances of the angel of the LORD where he is distinguished from God.

Case For A Theophany
The case for the angel of the LORD being a theophany, a temporary appearance of God in a body, is as follows.
1. Identified With God
In some contexts, the angel of the LORD is identified with God.
2. Power To Give Life
The angel of the LORD is said to have the power to give life (Genesis 16:10). Only God has this power.
3. All-Knowing
The quality of omniscience, or knowing everything, is attributed to the angel of the LORD (Genesis 16:13; Exodus 3:7).
4. Judge The Earth
The angel of the LORD is called the "Judge of all the earth" (Genesis 18:25). This is a title that belongs to God alone.
5. Forgive Sin
The Bible says that only God can forgive sin.
I, I am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins (Isaiah 43:25).
Yet the angel of the LORD had authority to forgive sins (Exodus 23:21).
6. Receive Worship
Worship belongs to God and Him alone. Yet the angel of the LORD was worshipped by Moses and Joshua.
I am the LORD, that is my name; My glory I will give to no other, nor My praise to idols (Isaiah 42:8).
Since God will not share His name or glory with anyone else, this angel must be God.

To God Be The Glory

GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for your response.

Jun2u said:

What’s the difference? It is still a “Oneness” gospel.

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no it's not, it's an unserstanding of the truth ... gospel.

diversified oneness support the fact that God came in flesh, but how he did it, makes the all the difference between oneness and diversified oneness believers. understand a diversified one God is the same only "shared" in flesh. the term share is the key. for he is the "offspring" of God in flesh. meaning he, Jesus is the "ROOT" Spirit without flesh, and the "Offspring" spirit with flesh. and the Greek word that identifies this sharing of nature in flesh is G243 Allos. Allos express a numerical difference but the same sort. meaning he, is the equal share of God in flesh just as Phil 2:6 states. now a numerical difference means "two", or another, hence the title Father/Root, and Son/Offspring, but the same one why? because allos express a numerical difference, but the "same" sort. I suggest you look up sort.

so putting it in layman terms. the Father is the Holy Spirit without flesh. the Son is the Holy Spirit with flesh. but the same Holy Spirit shared as Allos express.

now if you want to know where I get the title "diversity" form in describing this understanding. I get it from the word "Offspring". it's the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

see how the kjv can translate "offspring" DIVERSITY.

so diversified oneness is not the same as oneness the UPC teach, and a few others. diversified oneness is totally different.

and let me say this, it's no new doctrine it's right there in the bible.

and as for the amgel of the LORD he stand in the present of God, hence you need to understand the difference between a Manifestation and an apperance of the Lord, be it 1st person, 2nd, or 3rd.

Hope this helped.

101G said:

What is the Name of God.... stright to the POINT.... "JESUS"

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the name is special to us, now, from our perspective maybe, but back then it was as common as John Doe, and "of Nazareth" actually helps to make that image almost inevitable, especially to His contemporaries.

i tell you in all humility that Jesus would detest this elevation of Himself, and i could even demonstrate the perspective from many passages; "@Jane_Doe22" is an awesome reflection of this imo

First thanks for the response, the name is not only special to us but as the scriptures say, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. but tell me how many Jesus/Yeshua carry the title Lord, not lord, but Lord, and LORD before their name of Jesus.

and lastly there is no Jesus who had the name "BEFORE" they was conceived in the womb. only that one.

so that makes him different with that name

amadeus said:

I guess we are speaking here the difference, if there is one, between knowing His name in our head according to man's studies of the scriptures and the original languages and knowing His name in our heart.

The man in the barroom who curses another using the word, Jesus , with his physical mouth likely has no revelation from God about the name of God, or does he?

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Yes, we must be very careful how we use that blessed Name.

101G said:

Hope this helped.

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Sorry, it didn’t. To tell the truth I’ve never heard of a “oneness” gospel until you mentioned it. Myself, I would rather believe what Scripture proclaims, that there are three distinct persons in the Godhead which BTW, is taught much clearer than the “oneness” doctrine... The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three persons which subsist in the Godhead...a uniplural!

Already, in the beginning, the Bible has stipulated that the word “God” is a Hebrew plural word “Elohim.” God drives home this point by saying, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...” Then in the following verse, we read, “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created he him male and female created he them.

The word “him” signifies Adam, yet he is said to be male and female also. Our minds are not created to understand the Godhead, but only by faith do we believe.

101G said:

hence the title Father/Root, and Son/Offspring,

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“Root” and “offspring” many would say does not “jive.” Anyone can take a verse out of context and create some kind of doctrine. In fact, I can prove through the Scripture “there is no God!” What would that prove? Only vanity.

101G said:

so diversified oneness is not the same as oneness the UPC teach, and a few others. diversified oneness is totally different.

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So say you. Why is your teaching have more “clout” than my teaching, that “there are three distinct persons that subsist in the Godhead?” In fact, my teaching is far greater because it is much more faithful and closer to the teaching and truth of Scripture.

101G said:

and as for the amgel of the LORD he stand in the present of God, hence you need to understand the difference between a Manifestation and an appearance of the Lord, be it 1st person, 2nd, or 3rd.

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“What? came the word of God out from you? Or came it unto you only?” 1Corinthians 14:36.

You’ve asked me to read Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 22:6, and I’ve answered your questions in post #69, yet, you’ve only dedicated a small paragraph as to the nature of the “Angel of God” and expect me to believe your heresy? Go figure.

1John 4:2-3
2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ (not the Father) is come in the flesh is of God:
3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

To God Be The Glory

Sorry I missed your reply.

Jun2u said:

To tell the truth I’ve never heard of a “oneness” gospel until you mentioned it.

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it's not a gospel, it's a doctrine on the Godhead.

Jun2u said:

Myself, I would rather believe what Scripture proclaims, that there are three distinct persons in the Godhead which BTW, is taught much clearer than the “oneness” doctrine... The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three persons which subsist in the Godhead...a uniplural!

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that's your oponion, but I don't believe so. the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 test prove that there is "ONE" person who shared himself numerically as "the Another" in flesh, meaning a body. which justify only (TWO) entities in the Godhead numerically as ONE, hence (John 10:30). and these two entities which are the SAME person, only in diffrent natures which are called the "Root" and the "Offspring", or better know as the Father and the Son. Father Root Spirit "without" a body, Son Offspring spirit "With" a body.

so, no, therer is only one person in the Godhead who is numerically shared in "another" form.

Jun2u said:

Already, in the beginning, the Bible has stipulated that the word “God” is a Hebrew plural word “Elohim.”

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I agree whole hearted. is not the share a numerically difference is plural? yes. Father 1, Son Another of himself 2. t (two) is plural.

Jun2u said:

God drives home this point by saying, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...” Then in the following verse, we read, “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created he him male and female created he them.

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I agree God do drive home the point of one, him. listen to your own verse you used. LISTEN, "Then in the following verse, we read, “So God created man in his (STOP, HOW MANY IS HIS?, ONE) own image, in the image of God, created he (STOP AGIN, he, how many is that?, ONE) him male and female created he them.

I suggest you read those scriptures. understand God said, "HIS" own image not our or us her why?, scripture, Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him (GOD, who is Spirit) that was to come".

see Jun2u, God who is Spirit haven't came in flesh yet. that's why he said "us" and "our", presently, because he was to come in that image ... MAN