Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death?
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The new believer who hung on the cross beside Christ said "remember me WHEN you come into your kingdom"... He did not say "I choose to reject the Gospel until you come into your kingdom". He died a saved saint that day.
Read verse 15. Were you wrought in the depths of the earth?
This is a poem ,,, poems are not literal.
First time I looked at this thread, surprised it had lasted this long as I thought there would be so little to debate. Is there a second chance? No.
And to bring up Peter's mention of Jesus preaching to the lost in Noah's day... Some people just don't get it. Read that portion of the scripture again. Now consider these questions.
How does Jesus preach to them? By his spirit... Not in person.
When were they preached to? In the days of Noah... Not during the time Jesus was dead.
Who did the preaching? Noah...(2Peter2:5) a preacher of righteousness.
So, nothing to do with Jesus visiting dead folk. No second chance. No gloating. No pronouncing any victory. And no sense whatsoever in Jesus doing any of those things any way.
If we aren't right with God... Walking in his Spirit and keeping His commandments, now, there is no further opportunities to express your faith, or exercise obedience and faithfulness later.
And to bring up Peter's mention of Jesus preaching to the lost in Noah's day... Some people just don't get it. Read that portion of the scripture again. Now consider these questions.
How does Jesus preach to them? By his spirit... Not in person.
When were they preached to? In the days of Noah... Not during the time Jesus was dead.
Who did the preaching? Noah...(2Peter2:5) a preacher of righteousness.
So, nothing to do with Jesus visiting dead folk. No second chance. No gloating. No pronouncing any victory. And no sense whatsoever in Jesus doing any of those things any way.
If we aren't right with God... Walking in his Spirit and keeping His commandments, now, there is no further opportunities to express your faith, or exercise obedience and faithfulness later.
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Oh just come across this only now, so you believe that the Jews are not lost, boy they must be saved without Jesus, so you are saying that the Jews never needed Jesus then, yes I have heard this rubbish before and no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ. it's Biblical.
You must explain what it is about the blood that you are truly on about.
I know people who make claims about the blood that are truly Satanic, all one has to know is that it's the Holy Spirit that one needs, because without that you are total lost, the blood can represent many things.
I know a dude well that is a blind Satanic Jew idolising moron and he raves on about the blood all the time but rejects the Holy Spirit, he is all about the blood to him as it is why he is saved by the sacrifice of the blood for all, that means for Satanist and mass murders rapist you name it, everyone is saved and the Devil is Saved as well, he claims to be a Christian but he truly is not, he only wants the Jews to kill most people and rule over all with an iron rod, he is a Communist. it's all about the Jews must rule the world and no one can say a bad thing against them and they can do what ever they want rape kill you name it, he says that they are gods people. but he is just brainwashed and claims that the Jews are a race, what a uneducated moron every worthy Christian knows the Jews are not a race, they were one of the Tribes of the Semitic race, that's only a small tribe within all the Semitic race and all the other Semitic tribes.
Anyone who looks to the Jews to be saved is a Satanist and the fact of this is that they truly do not know Jesus Christ and this bloke claims to be born again but he is not, because he rejects the Holy Spirit. now this dude claims to be able to save people and then after saying some words and you repeating that, then he declares you born again, he has save that person and he is getting rewards in heaven for doing that he says. he has saved them and they are going to heaven, OSAS he says. well I say that's total nonsense and he wanted to bash me up for rejecting his madness, but he knew that he would fail so he was to gutless to attack me.
He claims to be a Christian but he is not, the Jesus he talks about is the Devil.
The blood is worthless now that Christians have the Holy Spirit.
How can one claim that the blood trumps the holy spirit, that's just pathetic and one saying that must not be a true Christian and Jesus warns us of this.
You must have another point on the Blood, tell me what it is and why you think it trumps the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
yeah, all the psalms are fake, right?
or just the ones you don't like?
and how can you not like a psalm?
I didn't say all the psalms are fake.
I didn't say I don't like them.
Some cannot be taken literally.
The psalm you mentioned (139:8) also says that you were made in secret in the depths of the earth, psalm 139:15
1 Peter 3:19 does not refer to hell.
Also, hell was incorrectly translated from the Greek
The word that should have been used in 139:8 is sheoul, the place of the dead...this does not necessarily mean hell.
If God were in hell, it would not be hell.
Hell is where God is not. This is accepted Christian doctrine.
No I did not say what you said.
Jews are not "lump sum".
BLOOD, is the life of an earthly man.
God requires the Life of an earthy man.
An earthly man, is his Body, of Dust.
The Life OF an earthly Body is BLOOD.
I know God, who makes claims about the Blood, and I make no satanic claims.
So don't know what you are talking about.
That would make for a very short Bible.
While the Holy Spirit is the Ultimate. There is much to known.
Many people are brainwashed. I have not been talking about what this dude you know does.
You read it...
Gen 9: 4
Gen 9: 5
Gen 42: 22
I never said that!
You talk about having the Holy Spirit.
I talk about the Way and Order of How to receive the Holy Spirit.
Careful of your accusations, before you jump into the middle, and take things out of context.
God Bless,
Taken
You only live twice -- don't blow it in the first life. Because if you do blow it in the first life - then the second time you live - will be to be thrown alive into the Lake of Fire after the judgment of Rev 20.
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for the same reason basically
i mean why not just put her in a choke hold already lol
There have been billions of people that have had no opportunity to even know who God is from the beginning of man's creation some 6,000 years ago until now, such as the Indians of North and South America of centuries past or the Chinese or Mongolians, African tribes, etc.
They had no contact with the Bible at all (so could they be baptized ?), and even of those who had contact with Catholicism, the Bible was "off-limits" to the masses due to it being forbidden to even have possession of it by the Catholic church, upon penalty of death.(Note: In October 1559, in the Spanish city of Valladolid, there was an auto-da-fe' [execution of a heretic], in which King Philip II of Spain presided over the event, whereby "two victims were burned alive, ten were strangled". Their crime: Reading the Bible)
All had to accept what Catholic theologians taught at "face value" without recourse.(Note: until 1450 C.E. with the invention of the printing press by Johannes Gutenberg (1400?-1468 C.E.), all Bibles had to be hand written; the first printed book to come off Gutenberg's press was the Gutenberg Bible in 1455 C.E.)
In 1559 C.E., the Catholic church created a list of "forbidden books" (that began taking shape in 1515 C.E at the 5th Latern Council by trying to control what was printed). Over 300 years earlier, in the year 1229 (Note: in the year 1209 C.E., Pope Innocent III (reigned 1198-1216 C.E.) sent monk Arnold Amalric with 300,000 crusaders to Belziers, France in 1209 and murdered some 20,000 men, women and children because they were "heretics"), at the Council of Toulouse (France), they made this mandate: "We prohibit that any layman possess the books of the Old or New Testament translated into the common language......under no circumstances should he possess the above-mentioned books translated into Romance".(the biggest Romance languages are French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian; all languages that originated from Latin are called Romance languages)
Hence, the Catholic church (it need be understood that until 1517 C. E. the Catholic church was the only "Christian" religion) used deadly force or hid the Bible from the masses, that kept them in the dark as to what it taught.(Note: The Catholic church also required that Bible only be written in Latin, which most people were unable to read)
So, many have not had even a "1st chance" at knowing who God is, much less a "2nd chance", not even knowing that he has a personal of Jehovah (in English). For those who are living now on the earth, Jesus gave an earth wide commission to his faithful disciples so that people can make an informed choice and have an opportunity for life everlasting: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you".(Matt 28:19, 20)
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Title Q "Is there a second chance after death" etc.
We have not seen the end of the matter.
Matt 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."
And AGAIN in Matt 11:24 “But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.”
Luke 10:14 ( NOT to Sodom and Gomorrah) ..14 "But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.
15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. "
I said that to say...even when WE think it is over...it isn't.!!!
I get so annoyed with people who glibly say:- " blah blah blah, they will go to hell is they don't do this, that, or the other"
Those arrogant ,ignorant people know nothing. They know nothing because GOD has not revealed His "final Judgement".
IF it was all over...then why would degrees of "more tolerable " even matter?
Most people believe everyone who chooses not to follow God is chucked into hell on the day of judgement.
What about the "more tolerable" ??
That doesn't sound like a "final judgement to me.
Interesting...
We have not seen the end of the matter.
Matt 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."
And AGAIN in Matt 11:24 “But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.”
Luke 10:14 ( NOT to Sodom and Gomorrah) ..14 "But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.
15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. "
I said that to say...even when WE think it is over...it isn't.!!!
I get so annoyed with people who glibly say:- " blah blah blah, they will go to hell is they don't do this, that, or the other"
Those arrogant ,ignorant people know nothing. They know nothing because GOD has not revealed His "final Judgement".
IF it was all over...then why would degrees of "more tolerable " even matter?
Most people believe everyone who chooses not to follow God is chucked into hell on the day of judgement.
What about the "more tolerable" ??
That doesn't sound like a "final judgement to me.
Interesting...
For those who are to gain "life" (Matt 7:14), "works" is a requirement and always will be, for no one is granted "life" unless they prove loyal by obedience and remain as such. Does a home build itself and then maintain itself or does it requires "works" on the part of person ?
The churches wants a person to accept the belief that all you have to do is just "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved", so that they can remain a "pew sitter", listening to a preacher dictate his thoughts to them or listen to then from the comforts of their homes or just read on their own and think that they have God's blessing.
These ones fail to carefully examine the Bible, which shows that all the loyal servants of God had to do whatever they were assigned, from going to kings (that required real courage) and declaring Jehovah's words to them (such as when "a man of God" was sent to apostate Israelite king Jeroboam, condemning the false religious altar (for golden calf worship) at Bethel and telling him that the human bones of the priests would be sacrificed on it by "Josiah" [1 Kings 13:1-3]) to going from "house to house" with the "good news of the Kingdom".(Matt 10:7, 11-13; 24:14; Acts 5:42)
How many that call themselves "Christian" have read James inspired words: "Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he does not have works ? That faith cannot save him, can it ? If a brother or a sister is lacking clothing and enough food for the day, yet one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed", but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it ?....Indeed, just as the body without spirit (or our active life force which is not immortal) is dead, so also faith without works is dead " ? (James 2:14-16, 26)
Jesus said: "Why, then, do you call me ' Lord ! Lord ! " but do not do the things I say ?"(Luke 6:46) Thus, no "works" that is the duty of a true Christian to follow and no "life". A person's "dead faith" will result in a permanently dead person.
Jesus said to the "angel of the congregation of Ephesus": "I know your deeds and your labor and endurance......Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the deeds you did at first. If you do not (just sitting around and listening rather than doing), I will come to you, and I will remove your lampstand (that designates that they have Jehovah's spirit and favor) from its place".(Rev 2:2, 4, losing God's favor means they are cut off from "life")
And how many have considered Jesus illustration of the "kingdom" at Luke 19, in which he says that the "king-designate" (or Jesus himself) called to himself "ten slaves", giving them "ten minas" to "do business with until I come".(Luke 19:11-13)
"When he eventually got back after having secured the kingly power, he summoned the slaves to whom he had given the money, in order to ascertain what they had gained (or worked at) by their business activity. So the first one came forward and said, ' Lord, your mina gained ten minas". He said to him, ' Well done, good slave ! Because in a very small matter you have proved yourself faithful, hold authority over ten cities.....But another one came, saying, ' Lord, here is your mina that I kept laid away in a cloth (doing nothing with it, no "works").(Luke 19:15-17, 20)
How did the now king (Jesus Christ) feel about the last slave doing nothing with his "mina" (or responsibility of furthering Kingdom interests, requiring "works") ? The "king" said: "By your own words I judge you, wicked slave. You knew, did you, that I am a harsh man, taking what I did not deposit (Jesus set the pattern of "works" for true Christians, see 1 Pet 2:21 that shows they are to carefully follow in his "footsteps", preaching and teaching the "good news of the Kingdom" along all other requirements, taking their "mina" and doing "business" with it) and reaping what I did not sow (Jesus established that any who follow him must also "sow" Kingdom seed as Jesus did, Matt 13:1-8, having "works" that leads to "life").
The "king" now says to other slaves: "Take the mina from him and give it to the one who has the ten minas".(Luke 19:24) This "slave" proved to be lazy, or as Jesus said at Matthew 25, a "wicked and sluggish slave" and then Jesus commanded: "Throw the good-for-nothing slave (Greek acherios meaning "useless") out into the darkness outside. There is where the weeping and gnashing of his teeth will be" (the lazy "slave" becomes angry at his "master" for throwing him out, grinding his teeth at him, because of having no "works" with regard to the "mina").(Matt 25:26, 30)
Thence, only those who have "works" that prove they are one of Jehovah's loyal servants will be granted "life".
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Good works, not just any work, is the fruit of faith, repentance, salvation. If you are saved you will do good works.
God knows who saved, who belongs to him, etc. They do not have to prove it.
There are no good works by those repenting on their death bed due to lack of opportunity.
Works of proof are not good works at all. They are works to earn salvation or for rewards which no one can do.
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There are degrees of punishment in the lake of fire. So obviously some are more pain when others thus less tolerable.
How you can get a second chance of this is and a logical.
Yes, the FINAL Judgement has been revealed.
Apparently you have missed the knowledge, and are "annoyed" with others who have not missed the knowledge and you think those with the Knowledge AND Understanding of the Knowledge are "glibly".
To whom do you pose such question?
Someone wondering themselves?
Or someone who just called "annoying and glibly"?
And why would either give you an answer?
I don't know how you come up with that is what most people believe, because Scripture doesn't say that, and most people are not believers.
Glory to God,
Taken
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