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Dave L

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If if you think somebody else is this true restrainer you provide verses. I provided the facts and verses I thought relevant, but all you've done this is say no no no no no.
Let's see scripture to back up your list first.
 

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Let's see scripture to back up your list first.
That's a cop out.

I spelled out clearly:

No one else is omnipresent and operating in the world.

No one else has the power to restrain sin everywhere.

Now, what are your contradictory arguments besides you wanna see verses.

And on that point you never see verses on everything. That would be a library.
 
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That's a cop out.

I spelled out clearly:

No one else is omnipresent and operating in the world.

No one else has the power to restrain sin everywhere.

Now, what are your contradictory arguments besides you wanna see verses.

And on that point you never see verses on everything. That would be a library.
The cop out is making claims you cannot support from scripture and then making excuses for not doing so.
 

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It says he had already discussed this with them, so they knew that is why they did not challenge him.

Who else could the restrainer bee to restrain on the whole earth 24/7?
When the Spirit is removed, then all sorts of tribulation and chaos are likely to ensue.
 
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You have nothing to converse about or debate without scripture.
 
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And what do you offer except no no no no no
I offer first that the great tribulation was Jewish and happened in 70 AD. Jesus said ““Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.” (Matthew 24:15–16) (NASB95)

When "you see" is past tense, second person, plural meaning when those in his audience, the disciples, saw this, it would begin the great tribulation. It wasn't aimed at future generations.

The "abomination of Desolation happened in 167 BC when Antiochus sacrificed a pig in the temple. So this was a symbol of the coming desolation which happened on several accounts at that time. But most probably it was the continuation of animal sacrifices that stood in the holy place marking the formal rejection of Christ's sacrifice.

More follows but this is enough for now.
 

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I offer first that the great tribulation was Jewish and happened in 70 AD. Jesus said ““Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.” (Matthew 24:15–16) (NASB95)

There was no AOD in 70 AD. Matthew was written in 60 AD.


When "you see" is past tense, second person, plural meaning when those in his audience, the disciples, saw this, it would begin the great tribulation. It wasn't aimed at future generations.

Future tense not past tense. How else could Christian Jerusalem heed the warning and flee?

The "abomination of Desolation happened in 167 BC when Antiochus sacrificed a pig in the temple. So this was a symbol of the coming desolation which happened on several accounts at that time. But most probably it was the continuation of animal sacrifices that stood in the holy place marking the formal rejection of Christ's sacrifice.

The AOD was a pig sacrificed on the altar. A very unclean animal to jews. The AOD is mid trib and an idol of the AC..

More follows but this is enough for nwo.
 

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Future tense not past tense.

Actually, ἴδητε is aorist active, but carries the future sense. Thus, "Οταν οὖν ἴδητε τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως" = "Therefore when you shall see the abomination of desolation..." It is most certainly not past tense, so I'm not quite sure with all due respect how historicists have gotten away with that interpretation. It is not supported by any Greek manuscript I know of.
 
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Actually, ἴδητε is aorist active, but carries the future sense. Thus, "Οταν οὖν ἴδητε τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως" = "Therefore when you shall see the abomination of desolation..." It is most certainly not past tense, so I'm not quite sure with all due respect how historicists have gotten away with that interpretation. It is not supported by any Greek manuscript I know of.

Agree. Context determines past present or future.
 
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let me add you talking about Matthew has nothing to do with who the restrainer is.

Your demand for verses from me and jumping to Matthew is all about denying the rapture.

You have made no effort to identify the restrainer nor do you care about the identity. Is all up about denying the rapture without facts, or diversion to another topic.
 
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“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:7–12) (KJV 1900)

The Holy Spirit is omnipresent and is going nowhere.
 
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