Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death?

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There are degrees of punishment in the lake of fire. So obviously some are more pain when others thus less tolerable.

How you can get a second chance of this is and a logical.

Can't agree with you here. ie..with your- 'degrees in the lake of fire.'
Jesus is not talking about the lake of fire...but the Day of judgement.
That is what the 'more tolerable ' was referring to. The giving out of judgements.

Quote= Matt 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."
And AGAIN in Matt 11:24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.”

God is the final judgement. Just as God Himself 'is the consuming Fire.' Everything comes from God...and everything goes back into God.

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Can't agree with you here. ie..with your- 'degrees in the lake of fire.'
Jesus is not talking about the lake of fire...but the Day of judgement.
That is what the 'more tolerable ' was referring to. The giving out of judgements.

Quote= Matt 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."
And AGAIN in Matt 11:24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.”

God is the final judgement. Just as God Himself 'is the consuming Fire.' Everything comes from God...and everything goes back into God.

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At the white throne judgment Christ hands down their eternal sentences and they are immediately cast into the lake.

So obviously the sentencing and serving are both going to be pretty unpleasant.

So what are you saying?
 

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Does God give people a second chance after Death? <---OP.

Well, it depends on WHAT DEATH a person is talking about.

If it is PHYSICAL DEATH of the BODY that REJECTED GOD during His Physical Life....
No, he is not given a Second Chance to Believe AND Commit.

There are several accounts of the physically dead being revived back to a physical living state; those miracles always have to do with the faithful believers.

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Does God give people a second chance after Death? <---OP.

Well, it depends on WHAT DEATH a person is talking about.

If it is PHYSICAL DEATH of the BODY that REJECTED GOD during His Physical Life....
No, he is not given a Second Chance to Believe AND Commit.

There are several accounts of the physically dead being revived back to a physical living state; those miracles always have to do with the faithful believers.

Glory to God,
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Do not confuse resurrection with resuscitation. Until the spirit leaves the body it is resuscitation.

Most assuredly God can delay that leaving.

As well there are medical and other conditions that make one appeared dead when they're not.

So don't automatically jump to conclusions on these things.
 

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Do not confuse resurrection with resuscitation. Until the spirit leaves the body it is resuscitation.


I did not confuse the two.

Most assuredly God can delay that leaving.

In scripture there are accounts of the "SOUL" (the spiritual breath of God) leaving a body that Breathing of the person is observed stopped. The Indwelling Spirit of God had not yet been given, when these accounts are recorded.

The Soul CAN depart, the body dead, and the Soul imparted BACK into the Body, and the Body revived.

In modern times, a man can be attached to a "machine" that maintains the body's breathing mechanically....which the man is considered "clinically" dead.

There are accounts of people in such situation, having a "soul spiritual experience outside of their body".

And then their soul returning, and their breathing returning to them breathing on their own.

As well there are medical and other conditions that make one appeared dead when they're not.

Yes, I know. And? Specifically thee Lord God knows all things before WE KNOW. A man who IS among the FEW who shall answer His Calling, were the specific men subject to being revived, in such a situation.

We are not SAVED by Sight.
We are SAVED by Faith.

The Lord did not come to SAVE our Flesh from Death. He came to Save Souls. AND to Quicken a mans natural spirit to a spiritual spirit.

Souls IN or OUT of the Body, do not become dead.

So don't automatically jump to conclusions on these things.

I don't. However I do recognize on a communication venue such as this, one can only be brief regarding the understanding of the knowledge.

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To whom do you pose such question?
Someone wondering themselves?
Or someone who just called "annoying and glibly"?

Don't get you knickers in such a knot!

"The TITLE of this thread is "Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death."
Or maybe you had forgotten that.

I was responding to the opening post subject title.

You are entitled to your Opinion....because that is what it is...just the same as mine is.

Have a nice day...
 

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I did not confuse the two.



In scripture there are accounts of the "SOUL" (the spiritual breath of God) leaving a body that Breathing of the person is observed stopped. The Indwelling Spirit of God had not yet been given, when these accounts are recorded.

The Soul CAN depart, the body dead, and the Soul imparted BACK into the Body, and the Body revived.


That is resurrection. Does not happen.


In modern times, a man can be attached to a "machine" that maintains the body's breathing mechanically....which the man is considered "clinically" dead.

I'm fully aware that. My wife's grandmother was on such a machine.

Such a person does not even look alive. She was gone.

When we authorized pulling the plug, her body shut down instantly.

There are accounts of people in such situation, having a "soul spiritual experience outside of their body".

I've studied it. Most were in comas. None were clinically dead.

Others talked about being in heaven or hell. So you know those reports are not true even when firmly believed. Something else was the work.

And then their soul returning, and their breathing returning to them breathing on their own.

As I said, not always true. The brain does not shut down instantly. It can still dream and hallucinate.

Yes, I know. And? Specifically thee Lord God knows all things before WE KNOW. A man who IS among the FEW who shall answer His Calling, were the specific men subject to being revived, in such a situation.

We are not SAVED by Sight.
We are SAVED by Faith.

The Lord did not come to SAVE our Flesh from Death. He came to Save Souls. AND to Quicken a mans natural spirit to a spiritual spirit.

Souls IN or OUT of the Body, do not become dead.



I don't. However I do recognize on a communication venue such as this, one can only be brief regarding the understanding of the knowledge.

God Bless,
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Don't get you knickers in such a knot!

"The TITLE of this thread is "Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death."
Or maybe you had forgotten that.

I was responding to the opening post subject title.

You are entitled to your Opinion....because that is what it is...just the same as mine is.

Have a nice day...

Being snippy and calling people names has nothing to do with the title, and is odd to then want a reply to a question.

Glory to God,
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Soul departing the body, the body dying, the soul imparting back into the body, the body back in a living state.

Resurrection...does not happen

Disagree.

Once specific account, that specifically reveals Death of the Body, Soul departs, Soul returning to the body, the body resuming a living state.

1 Kings 17: 17 -23

A Body can not be living, or come back to a living state without it's soul within it.

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Soul departing the body, the body dying, the soul imparting back into the body, the body back in a living state.



Disagree.

Once specific account, that specifically reveals Death of the Body, Soul departs, Soul returning to the body, the body resuming a living state.

1 Kings 17: 17 -23

A Body can not be living, or come back to a living state without it's soul within it.

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That makes a lie of live once, die and then judgment.

    • The problem is the KJV.

    • The spirit, not the soul is eternal.
    1 Kings 17: 17 -23
    • 17 Some time later the son of the woman who owned the house became ill. He grew worse and worse, and finally stopped breathing. 18 She said to Elijah, “What do you have against me, man of God? Did you come to remind me of my sin and kill my son?”

    • 19 “Give me your son,” Elijah replied. He took him from her arms, carried him to the upper room where he was staying, and laid him on his bed. 20 Then he cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, have you brought tragedy even on this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die?” 21 Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, let this boy’s life return to him!”
  • 22 The Lord heard Elijah’s cry, and the boy’s life returned to him, and he lived. 23 Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house. He gave him to his mother and said, “Look, your son is alive!”

    • He stopped breathing does not mean his spirit departed.

    • Elijah prayed to return his life, not his spirit.

    • Strong's Number: 05315

      Browse Lexicon
      Original Word
      Word Origin
      Xpn from (05314)
      Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
      Nephesh TWOT - 1395a
      Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
      neh'-fesh Noun Feminine
      Definition
      1. soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
        1. that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
        2. living being
        3. living being (with life in the blood)
        4. the man himself, self, person or individual
        5. seat of the appetites
        6. seat of emotions and passions
        7. activity of mind
          1. dubious
        8. activity of the will
          1. dubious
        9. activity of the character
          1. dubious
The KJV makes God a liar.
 
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That makes a lie of live once, die and then judgment.

Lie? No
Live "once"? What scripture says that?
Die "once", is a requirement of the earthly body; not a limit.

    • The problem is the KJV.

    • The spirit, not the soul is eternal.


  • Disagree.
    I have no problem with the KJV.


    Disagree somewhat.
    Probably disagree with you on What a soul IS.

    I believe the soul is a vessel God has made.

    That that vessel is Living BECAUSE it has Gods BREATH of LIFE "IN IT".

    That that Living Vessel, with Gods BREATH, is imparted INTO a Vessel, called Body, that God FORMED from dust of the Earth.

    That, the FORMED body, Becomes it OWN LIVING THING, Once it receives Gods Breath of Life.

    In short, the SOUL with Gods Breath of Life, brings the Body, into a Living state.

    The soul is a vessel with Gods Breath.
    The body is a vessel with Blood.

    The Life "of" the soul, is Gods Breath.
    The Life "of" the body, is Blood.

    The "body & soul" are called by the Name, mommy and daddy gives the little born man-kind of thing.

    The Body has numerous "parts", "abilities". Voluntary abilities, and Involuntary abilities.

    As long as the "living soul" is IN the body, the body will be LIVING.
    When the "living soul" departs out of the body, the body is Dead.

    A Living soul, IN the Body, out of the Body....affects the Body, NOT the life of the soul.

    Life Belongs to God.
    All souls belong to God.

    Men can control the Life (Blood) of the body.
    Men can Kill the body.
    Men can Prolong the Life of the body.

    Men DO NOT have control over the Living Soul....That Life belongs to God! The soul belongs to God!

    A Living soul, IN or OUT of a body, Belongs to God.

    God Gives LIFE and God Takes LIFE, and does with the Vessels, as Pleases HIM, that He has Imparted LIFE into, or Departed LIFE OUT OF.

    BTW, among the many "PARTS" of a BODY; are voluntary thoughts and involuntary thoughts....in a thing within the Body, called a BRAIN/MIND.

    It can think, process thoughts, weigh the thoughts, LOGICALLY conclude thoughts, believe something, not believe something, then change beliefs back and forth, and be unstable as the turbulence of the wind. It is so wishy washy....it is called By God....in Him saying...

    All Carnal Minds are AGAINST GOD!

    Another "PART" of a Body, is Called, the Heart. The Heart is the Central Vessel within the Body, that KEEPS the Life of the Body (BLOOD) in a HEALTHY Living state. Purifying and Carrying Waste throughout the Body.
    Keep replenishing the Body with Blood that purifies, the Body maintains a healthy Living state.
    Overload the the Body with Blood that is full of Waste, the Body deteriorates, and begins being prepared for Death of the body.

    Also within that vessel called the Heart, is the ability for the HEART to have thoughts. These THOUGHTS are Voluntary, unlike the MIND. These thoughts are "TRUTHS" only. The individuals "TRUTHS". The individual can KEEP those "thoughts" SECRET, to himself, or TELL others (if he chooses)
    (And the phenomenon is; God is privy to those thoughts).

    The thoughts IN a mans Heart, are called the "spirit of the man".

    The man can be fully Content with his "hearts thoughts....his own natural spirits thoughts, ie his truths"..........
    OR
    The man CAN, "if he so chooses"....
    Appeal .... Ask God .... For God Himself, to GIVE the man .....
    Gods Thoughts....Gods own TRUTH!

    THAT ^ is a process, as God has revealed requires the mans FORM, the mans LIVING SOUL, and the mans HEART, and the mans NAtURAL TRUTH SPIRIT, to BE "PREPARED".... BEFORE it can RECEIVE....Gods Thoughts!

    It is an ORDER, God Order, called Gods WAY.

    You have likely been TAUGHT the "WAY" in a manner of a simple elementary STEPS... Do this, then this, then this.

    Yet it appears you were not TAUGHT, or Learned on your own.....the understanding and magnitude OF EACH STEP....order...way.

    The BODY, of man IS APPOINtED to DIE ONCE. It could die multiple times, and can be revived multiple times.
    It is a VESSEL. It's LIFE is BLOOD.

    Gods LIFE IN your Bodily Vessel...IS Gods Soul, He has made, and belongs to Him (regardless if it is called by "your" name).
    Gods LIFE IN your soul, IS Gods Breath.

    IF, you have been SO Inclined, to appeal to God, ASK God to GIVE YOU "His Truth".... You did so ASK, BY your "TRUTH", which again, IS, the TRUTH, in your Natural Spirit, IN your Heart.

    If God was SO Inclined, to GIVE you His TRUTH, He DID SO, according to the Order/WAY, He has devised.

    If you have not LEARNED, His Order/WAY, and the Understanding of His WAY, step by step and the Purpose of His WAY, step by step....you will find yourself among millions of people in the SAME boat....and thereafter they, speaking things, "teaching" things (that ARE NOT according to God), but rather "according to themselves".

    Gods LIFE, is NEVER extinguished, regardless of WHAT vessel it is in, or where the vessel IS.

    A Living Soul, IS "LIVING" Because that "soul" has Gods LIFE IN IT.

    A Living Soul, IN a body, simply means the BODY is also LIVING.
    A Living Soul, OUT of a body, simply means the BODY IS DEAD.

    A Living Soul, IN a body; a BODY which IS AGAINST GOD, simply means the that BODY, is CORRUPT and has corrupted the SOUL....

    And THAT "corrupted soul", can NEVER become, RESTORED, UNTIL the BODY, becomes "DEAD"!

    And THAT "corrupted soul", can NEVER BECOME RESTORED, UNTIL the BODY, is SORRY for having BEEN CORRUPT, and appeals to God, FOR FORGIVENESS.

    DEATH, is NOT limited to PHYSICAL DEATH. A "thing" can be "PHYSICALLY" ALIVE, and LIVING, YET DEAD...."spiritually Dead" because it is SEPARATED FROM GOD.

    You saying the KJV makes God a liar is silly. A Book does not make God a liar...men do, by their teaching from their own CARNAL MINDS.

    All men are NATURALLY BORN FORMED BODIES, and AGAINST God.

    God IMPARTS HIS LIFE (BReATH) into souls He had MADE, and imparts that LIVING SOUL, INTO BODIES, He has FORMED FROM DUST.

    (And FOR SOME MEN, He gives them a NEW HEART, and HIS SEED, that RE-BIRTHS the MANS natural spirit, (truth), with a NEW TRUTH, which is Gods TRUTH.AND HIS SPIRIT, also enters that new HEART, and DWELLS WITH THE MANS NEW spirit).

    NO, Living souls have YET stood before the JUDGE, and BEEN sentenced.

    NO, Living souls those HAVE BEEN JUSDGED!

    MANY, MANY bodies have DIED, physically and spiritually.

    MANY, MANY living souls, ARE WITH God, IN their bodies, and OUT of their BODIES.

    MANY, MANY living souls, ARE WITHOUT God IN their bodies, and OUT of their BODIES.

    ALL Living souls ARE STILL Living.

    AND SOME souls, WILL "after" judgement ....HAVE Gods LIFE departed from their soul....and their SOUL destroyed, burned, and remain ash.

    And SOME souls, "WILL" FOREVER remain ALIVE, with Gods Breath IN them.

    1 Kings 17: 17 -23
    [*]
    • 17 Some time later the son of the woman who owned the house became ill. He grew worse and worse, and finally stopped breathing. 18 She said to Elijah, “What do you have against me, man of God? Did you come to remind me of my sin and kill my son?”

    • 19 “Give me your son,” Elijah replied. He took him from her arms, carried him to the upper room where he was staying, and laid him on his bed. 20 Then he cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, have you brought tragedy even on this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die?” 21 Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, let this boy’s life return to him!”
    [*]22 The Lord heard Elijah’s cry, and the boy’s life returned to him, and he lived. 23 Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house. He gave him to his mother and said, “Look, your son is alive!”

    • He stopped breathing does not mean his spirit departed.

    • Elijah prayed to return his life, not his spirit.

    • Strong's Number: 05315

      Browse Lexicon
      Original Word
      Word Origin
      Xpn from (05314)
      Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
      Nephesh TWOT - 1395a
      Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
      neh'-fesh Noun Feminine
      Definition
      1. soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
        1. that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
        2. living being
        3. living being (with life in the blood)
        4. the man himself, self, person or individual
        5. seat of the appetites
        6. seat of emotions and passions
        7. activity of mind
          1. dubious
        8. activity of the will
          1. dubious
        9. activity of the character
          1. dubious
The KJV makes God a liar.

Nonsense. Out of your minds thoughts.

A BODY without a SOUL, is a DEAD BODY. The BOY's "BODY" was "DEAD".
The body of the boy, was revived, when the Living soul was again IMPARTED INTO THE boys BODY.

And you best HOPE that IS TRUE, or ALL the Dead Bodies, who Belief IN GOD, IN CHRIST, and have DIED.....will NOT again Be raised to a LIVING STATE.

It is the SPIRIT (POWER) of God that raises up DEAD BODIES.... not the BREATH of GOD.

The BREATH of GOD, IS LIFE.
The SPIRIT OF GOD, IS POWER.

Glory to God,
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Hebrews 9:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

But the judgment part kills the second chance idea,



  • Disagree.
    I have no problem with the KJV.
  • You do even if not aware of it.


    Disagree somewhat.
    Probably disagree with you on What a soul IS.

    I believe the soul is a vessel God has made.

    That that vessel is Living BECAUSE it has Gods BREATH of LIFE "IN IT".

    That that Living Vessel, with Gods BREATH, is imparted INTO a Vessel, called Body, that God FORMED from dust of the Earth.

    That, the FORMED body, Becomes it OWN LIVING THING, Once it receives Gods Breath of Life.

    In short, the SOUL with Gods Breath of Life, brings the Body, into a Living state.

    The soul is a vessel with Gods Breath.
    The body is a vessel with Blood.

    The Life "of" the soul, is Gods Breath.
    The Life "of" the body, is Blood.

    The "body & soul" are called by the Name, mommy and daddy gives the little born man-kind of thing.

    The Body has numerous "parts", "abilities". Voluntary abilities, and Involuntary abilities.

    As long as the "living soul" is IN the body, the body will be LIVING.
    When the "living soul" departs out of the body, the body is Dead.

    A Living soul, IN the Body, out of the Body....affects the Body, NOT the life of the soul.

    Life Belongs to God.
    All souls belong to God.

    Men can control the Life (Blood) of the body.
    Men can Kill the body.
    Men can Prolong the Life of the body.

    Men DO NOT have control over the Living Soul....That Life belongs to God! The soul belongs to God!

    A Living soul, IN or OUT of a body, Belongs to God.



  • God Gives LIFE and God Takes LIFE, and does with the Vessels, as Pleases HIM, that He has Imparted LIFE into, or Departed LIFE OUT OF.

    BTW, among the many "PARTS" of a BODY; are voluntary thoughts and involuntary thoughts....in a thing within the Body, called a BRAIN/MIND.

    It can think, process thoughts, weigh the thoughts, LOGICALLY conclude thoughts, believe something, not believe something, then change beliefs back and forth, and be unstable as the turbulence of the wind. It is so wishy washy....it is called By God....in Him saying...

    All Carnal Minds are AGAINST GOD!

    Another "PART" of a Body, is Called, the Heart. The Heart is the Central Vessel within the Body, that KEEPS the Life of the Body (BLOOD) in a HEALTHY Living state. Purifying and Carrying Waste throughout the Body.
    Keep replenishing the Body with Blood that purifies, the Body maintains a healthy Living state.
    Overload the the Body with Blood that is full of Waste, the Body deteriorates, and begins being prepared for Death of the body.

    Also within that vessel called the Heart, is the ability for the HEART to have thoughts. These THOUGHTS are Voluntary, unlike the MIND. These thoughts are "TRUTHS" only. The individuals "TRUTHS". The individual can KEEP those "thoughts" SECRET, to himself, or TELL others (if he chooses)
    (And the phenomenon is; God is privy to those thoughts).

    The thoughts IN a mans Heart, are called the "spirit of the man".

    The man can be fully Content with his "hearts thoughts....his own natural spirits thoughts, ie his truths"..........
    OR
    The man CAN, "if he so chooses"....
    Appeal .... Ask God .... For God Himself, to GIVE the man .....
    Gods Thoughts....Gods own TRUTH!

    THAT ^ is a process, as God has revealed requires the mans FORM, the mans LIVING SOUL, and the mans HEART, and the mans NAtURAL TRUTH SPIRIT, to BE "PREPARED".... BEFORE it can RECEIVE....Gods Thoughts!

    It is an ORDER, God Order, called Gods WAY.

    You have likely been TAUGHT the "WAY" in a manner of a simple elementary STEPS... Do this, then this, then this.

    Yet it appears you were not TAUGHT, or Learned on your own.....the understanding and magnitude OF EACH STEP....order...way.

    The BODY, of man IS APPOINtED to DIE ONCE. It could die multiple times, and can be revived multiple times.
    It is a VESSEL. It's LIFE is BLOOD.

    Gods LIFE IN your Bodily Vessel...IS Gods Soul, He has made, and belongs to Him (regardless if it is called by "your" name).
    Gods LIFE IN your soul, IS Gods Breath.

    IF, you have been SO Inclined, to appeal to God, ASK God to GIVE YOU "His Truth".... You did so ASK, BY your "TRUTH", which again, IS, the TRUTH, in your Natural Spirit, IN your Heart.

    If God was SO Inclined, to GIVE you His TRUTH, He DID SO, according to the Order/WAY, He has devised.

    If you have not LEARNED, His Order/WAY, and the Understanding of His WAY, step by step and the Purpose of His WAY, step by step....you will find yourself among millions of people in the SAME boat....and thereafter they, speaking things, "teaching" things (that ARE NOT according to God), but rather "according to themselves".

    Gods LIFE, is NEVER extinguished, regardless of WHAT vessel it is in, or where the vessel IS.

    A Living Soul, IS "LIVING" Because that "soul" has Gods LIFE IN IT.

    A Living Soul, IN a body, simply means the BODY is also LIVING.
    A Living Soul, OUT of a body, simply means the BODY IS DEAD.

    A Living Soul, IN a body; a BODY which IS AGAINST GOD, simply means the that BODY, is CORRUPT and has corrupted the SOUL....

    And THAT "corrupted soul", can NEVER become, RESTORED, UNTIL the BODY, becomes "DEAD"!

    And THAT "corrupted soul", can NEVER BECOME RESTORED, UNTIL the BODY, is SORRY for having BEEN CORRUPT, and appeals to God, FOR FORGIVENESS.

    DEATH, is NOT limited to PHYSICAL DEATH. A "thing" can be "PHYSICALLY" ALIVE, and LIVING, YET DEAD...."spiritually Dead" because it is SEPARATED FROM GOD.

    You saying the KJV makes God a liar is silly. A Book does not make God a liar...men do, by their teaching from their own CARNAL MINDS.

    All men are NATURALLY BORN FORMED BODIES, and AGAINST God.

    God IMPARTS HIS LIFE (BReATH) into souls He had MADE, and imparts that LIVING SOUL, INTO BODIES, He has FORMED FROM DUST.

    (And FOR SOME MEN, He gives them a NEW HEART, and HIS SEED, that RE-BIRTHS the MANS natural spirit, (truth), with a NEW TRUTH, which is Gods TRUTH.AND HIS SPIRIT, also enters that new HEART, and DWELLS WITH THE MANS NEW spirit).

    NO, Living souls have YET stood before the JUDGE, and BEEN sentenced.

    NO, Living souls those HAVE BEEN JUSDGED!

    MANY, MANY bodies have DIED, physically and spiritually.

    MANY, MANY living souls, ARE WITH God, IN their bodies, and OUT of their BODIES.

    MANY, MANY living souls, ARE WITHOUT God IN their bodies, and OUT of their BODIES.

    ALL Living souls ARE STILL Living.

    AND SOME souls, WILL "after" judgement ....HAVE Gods LIFE departed from their soul....and their SOUL destroyed, burned, and remain ash.

    And SOME souls, "WILL" FOREVER remain ALIVE, with Gods Breath IN them.
Review which is set yourself. A soul requires a body.

Nonsense. Out of your minds thoughts.

A BODY without a SOUL, is a DEAD BODY. The BOY's "BODY" was "DEAD".
The body of the boy, was revived, when the Living soul was again IMPARTED INTO THE boys BODY.

I gave you the definition of soul. It is not eternal. The spirit is.

And you best HOPE that IS TRUE, or ALL the Dead Bodies, who Belief IN GOD, IN CHRIST, and have DIED.....will NOT again Be raised to a LIVING STATE.

It is the SPIRIT (POWER) of God that raises up DEAD BODIES.... not the BREATH of GOD.

The BREATH of GOD, IS LIFE.
The SPIRIT OF GOD, IS POWER.

Glory to God,
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God is 3 spirits, angels are spirits and neither have physical bodies, thus no soul as you are using it to mean.
 

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Hebrews 9:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Already addressed;
All bodies are appointed to die.
All shall be judged.

But the judgment part kills the second chance idea.


Already addressed;
After judgement, there is not another "chance", for a man to have eternal life.


You do even if not aware of it.

No, I do not have a problem with the KJV.
No, You have provided nothing, from the KJV that should concern me.

Review which is set yourself.

A vague comment.

A soul requires a body.

An incomplete thought and sentence.

I gave you the definition of soul.


I did not see any post of you giving a "Definition" of "soul".

It is not eternal.

Here you are speaking of the "soul NOT being eternal".

I see you believe that.
That is not a "definition" of a "soul".
That is your 'understanding' of what becomes of a "soul".

I disagree that is a "definition" of a soul.
I disagree that "all souls" are not eternal.
Some are, Some are not.
As of YET;
Some souls ARE Saved.
Some souls SHALL be destroyed.
NO souls have YET;
Faced Judgement or Sentencing.

The spirit is.

Here you are saying the "spirit is eternal".

Disagree, to "your statement" that is incomplete.

A natural earthly mans body is formed with a natural "spirit". It IS SUBJECT TO DEATH.

It MAY become "born again", and thereafter, IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH.

God is 3 spirits,


Totally disagree with that statement.

angels are spirits

Agree.

and neither have physical bodies,

Spirits, DO have BODIES.
"You are limiting them to "physical bodies" in your comment.

I suppose you are speaking of "a physical body" with a meaning that "applies" to earthy humans.

I do not believe Spirits HAVE "physical earthly Human bodies".

Spirits however DO have Bodies.
Spirits have the Ability to "take on themselves" the LOOK of a "human body",
(Which purpose is for a HUMAN MAN, can then SEE them, with their HUMAN eyes).

thus no soul as you are using it to mean.

No. You have made a comment, which I did not say.

What I believe is not according to what YOU have said, but rather, according to what I have said.

Please trying using QUOTES, when responding. Without the QUOTE feature, it is difficult to read, who is saying what.

God Bless,
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Already addressed;
All bodies are appointed to die.
All shall be judged.



Already addressed;
After judgement, there is not another "chance", for a man to have eternal life.




No, I do not have a problem with the KJV.
No, You have provided nothing, from the KJV that should concern me.



A vague comment.



An incomplete thought and sentence.



I did not see any post of you giving a "Definition" of "soul".



Here you are speaking of the "soul NOT being eternal".

I see you believe that.
That is not a "definition" of a "soul".
That is your 'understanding' of what becomes of a "soul".

I disagree that is a "definition" of a soul.
I disagree that "all souls" are not eternal.
Some are, Some are not.
As of YET;
Some souls ARE Saved.
Some souls SHALL be destroyed.
NO souls have YET;
Faced Judgement or Sentencing.



Here you are saying the "spirit is eternal".

Disagree, to "your statement" that is incomplete.

A natural earthly mans body is formed with a natural "spirit". It IS SUBJECT TO DEATH.

It MAY become "born again", and thereafter, IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH.



Totally disagree with that statement.



Agree.



Spirits, DO have BODIES.
"You are limiting them to "physical bodies" in your comment.

I suppose you are speaking of "a physical body" with a meaning that "applies" to earthy humans.

I do not believe Spirits HAVE "physical earthly Human bodies".

Spirits however DO have Bodies.
Spirits have the Ability to "take on themselves" the LOOK of a "human body",
(Which purpose is for a HUMAN MAN, can then SEE them, with their HUMAN eyes).



No. You have made a comment, which I did not say.

What I believe is not according to what YOU have said, but rather, according to what I have said.

Please trying using QUOTES, when responding. Without the QUOTE feature, it is difficult to read, who is saying what.

God Bless,
Taken
One more time:

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number:
05315 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
Xpn from (05314)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Nephesh TWOT - 1395a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
neh'-fesh Noun Feminine
Definition
  1. soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
    1. that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
    2. living being
    3. living being (with life in the blood)
    4. the man himself, self, person or individual
    5. seat of the appetitesRFFA that are here in no
    6. seat of emotions and passions
    7. activity of mind
      1. dubious
    8. activity of the will
      1. dubious
    9. activity of the character
      1. dubious

Nephesh beings flesh as well



The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number:
4151 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
pneu'ma from (4154)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Pneuma 6:332,876
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pnyoo'-mah Noun Neuter
Definition
  1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
    1. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
    2. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
    3. never referred to as a depersonalised force
  2. the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
    1. the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
    2. the soul
  3. a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
    1. a life giving spirit
    2. a human soul that has left the body
    3. a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
      1. used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
      2. the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
  4. the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
    1. the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
  5. a movement of air (a gentle blast)
    1. of the wind, hence the wind itself
    2. breath of nostrils or mouth
 

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One more time:

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number:
05315 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
Xpn from (05314)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Nephesh TWOT - 1395a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
neh'-fesh Noun Feminine
Definition
  1. soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
    1. that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
    2. living being
    3. living being (with life in the blood)
    4. the man himself, self, person or individual
    5. seat of the appetitesRFFA that are here in no
    6. seat of emotions and passions
    7. activity of mind
      1. dubious
    8. activity of the will
      1. dubious
    9. activity of the character
      1. dubious

Nephesh beings flesh as well



The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number:
4151 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
pneu'ma from (4154)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Pneuma 6:332,876
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pnyoo'-mah Noun Neuter
Definition
  1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
    1. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
    2. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
    3. never referred to as a depersonalised force
  2. the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
    1. the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
    2. the soul
  3. a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
    1. a life giving spirit
    2. a human soul that has left the body
    3. a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
      1. used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
      2. the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
  4. the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
    1. the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
  5. a movement of air (a gentle blast)
    1. of the wind, hence the wind itself
    2. breath of nostrils or mouth

To be clear; I was not asking you what Strong's says to believe, or what anyone else teaches to believe.

You said you gave your own statement of what you Believe the SOUL is. Still waiting for your own statement.

God Bless,
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To be clear; I was not asking you what Strong's says to believe, or what anyone else teaches to believe.

You said you gave your own statement of what you Believe the SOUL is. Still waiting for your own statement.

God Bless,
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I don't remember saying that, but no problem. I believe what the linguistics say it means.

Sorry for any confusion I created.

With that said, what else should I believe it means?

I have always believed that the soul is flesh based, not spirit.

The spirit and flash both connect to the brain and soul. So the soul is kind of like the crazy Mix of input from the spirit and flesh, including sight, hearing, touch, nervous system.

That is why it is so hard to clearly define soul.
 

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I don't remember saying that, but no problem. I believe what the linguistics say it means.

Sorry for any confusion I created.

With that said, what else should I believe it means?

I have always believed that the soul is flesh based, not spirit.


Okay, thank you for your response.

On that point we disagree.

To that point, I would say the Flesh is based in "Dust of the Earth".
The Soul is based in a spiritual gift from God, which contains life from God, and imparted into a mans Flesh by God, and becomes a part of the identity of that man.

The spirit and flash both connect to the brain and soul. So the soul is kind of like the crazy Mix of input from the spirit and flesh, including sight, hearing, touch, nervous system.

No doubt.

That is why it is so hard to clearly define soul.
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That is why step by step order is so important IMO.

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Good works, not just any work, is the fruit of faith, repentance, salvation. If you are saved you will do good works.

God knows who saved, who belongs to him, etc. They do not have to prove it.

There are no good works by those repenting on their death bed due to lack of opportunity.

Works of proof are not good works at all. They are works to earn salvation or for rewards which no one can do.

Yes, "good works", works that God requires, such as "stripping off the old personality with its practices" (Col 3:9), in which Galatians 5:19-21 says: "Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality (sex outside marriage, same-sex relationships, see Rom 1:25-27), uncleannness (watching pornography [see Ps 119:37], smoking [see 2 Cor 7:1], using marijuana as a "recreational drug", cursing, using porno language [see Eph 4:29], unclean in habits), brazen conduct (pedophilia, same-sex relationships, see Jude 6, 7), idolatry (worship of the "state" or political governments, see Rev 14:9), spiritism (such as seances, crystal ball gazing, using the ouija board, see Deut 18:10-12), hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, wild parties, and things like these.....that those who practice such things will not inherit God's Kingdom".

Then, a true Christian has to be putting on these qualities: "On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law".(Gal 5:22, 23)

These "good works" or "fruitage of the spirit" are in imitation of Jesus Christ, for the apostle Peter wrote: "In fact, to this course you were called (' of ridding oneself of all badness and deceit and hypocrisy and envy and backbiting and forming a longing for the unadulterated milk of the word ', 1 Pet 2:1), because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely".(1 Pet 2:21)

These "good works" requires that anyone who wants to follow in Jesus "footsteps" closely, that they go from "house to house" (Acts 5:42; 20:20) with the "good news of the Kingdom"(Matt 24:14), for that is exactly what Jesus did, telling his twelve apostles: "As you go, preach, saying: ' The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near '......Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave (teaching responsive ones about God's Kingdom). When you enter the house, greet the household. If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon you; but if is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you".(Matt 10:7, 11-13)

These "good works" are also shown at Isaiah 2, which says: "In the final part of the days (or the time period that started with Jesus being crowned king of God's kingdom in 1914 [see Dan 7:13, 14 and Rev 6:2] and will end at Armageddon), the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains (mountains in the Bible often represent governments, see Jesus words at Luke 23, in which Jesus tells the women: "Daughters of Jerusalem.....weep instead for yourselves....Then they will start saying to the mountains (or political governments), ' Fall over us ! ' and to the hills (higher institutions that people look to), ' Cover us over ! ', Luke 23:28, 30)....and many.....will beat their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn anymore".(Isa 2:2-4)

Those who have "good works" are "no part of the world" with its "divided house" of politics, remaining politically neutral.(John 15:19) They adhere to Jesus words to Pontius Pilate: "My Kingdom is no part of the world (with its divisive and hate filled politics, false religious practices and doctrine and greedy commerce that promotes love of money and self)".(John 18:36)