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Prayer Warrior

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Pay attention.

In post #1067, GG stated that she could not condemn Rollo's lies about the Knights of Columbus having supposedly "murdered millions".
In post #1069 - YOU challenged her about that - but you've conveniently forgotten about that.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not simply the LIES - but the support of anti-Catholic lies.
So, instead of condemning ME for exposing her and Rollo- let them fight their OWN battles and butt out . . .

So, "anti-Catholic lies" are worse than other lies??? ALL lies are from the father of lies, even the lies you believe and speak! BTW, should you be talking to your mother that way--commanding her to butt out??? That's breaking one of the ten big ones!
 

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Ahhhh, yes, "Trail of Blood" - a booklet that most Baptists reject as a work fiction, let alone the rest of Protestant scholarship.
Most baptists will tell you that the Waldensians were NOT Baptists - but heretics.

Finally - the idiotic charge of "50 million" dead by persecution would have wiped out MOST of Europe. This is just another unsubstantiated number that ignorant anti-Catholics like yourself are fond of regurgitating with impunity.

Do some actual homework and try doing a better job by properly vetting the nonsense you read . . .
You're implying you know what most Baptists think or say? Now, that's a lie!
 
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So, "anti-Catholic lies" are worse than other lies??? ALL lies are from the father of lies, even the lies you believe and speak! BTW, should you be talking to your mother that way--commanding her to butt out??? That's breaking one of the ten big ones!
Why would you make that moronic distinction??
I was simply addressing the anti-Catholic lies.

ALL of the lies being told here are wrong.
 

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You're implying you know what most Baptists say? Now, that's a lie!
MOST Baptists belong to mainline Baptist denominations.

The idea that the Baptists can be traced all the way back to he Apostles is NOT a belief shared by most mainline Baptists. This is a relatively NEW invention. MOST acknowledge their origins only go back as far as John Smyth in the early 17th century.
 

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MOST Baptists belong to mainline Baptist denominations.

The idea that the Baptists can be traced all the way back to he Apostles is NOT a belief shared by most mainline Baptists. This is a relatively NEW invention. MOST acknowledge their origins only go back as far as John Smyth in the early 17th century.
John the Baptist baptized in the southern side of the Jordan river.
That makes him a Southern Baptist.
 

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MOST Baptists belong to mainline Baptist denominations.

The idea that the Baptists can be traced all the way back to he Apostles is NOT a belief shared by most mainline Baptists. This is a relatively NEW invention. MOST acknowledge their origins only go back as far as John Smyth in the early 17th century.

Thanks for the history lesson, but you don't know what most Baptists think or say about anything. I was a Baptist for years, and I wouldn't pretend to know what most Baptists think or say!!!
 
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Not even remotely true.

What is true in "real life" is -
1. The RCC did not pen a single word of the Bible.
2. the Jews - not The RCC - were writing the OT and that even includes books before Christ that do not belong in the OT.
3. Not a single writer of the NT knew anything about the RCC.
4. it was all complete before the start of the 2nd century.
5. Nobody in the OT or NT was saying "sorry - can't read the Bible till the RCC comes along a few hundred years from now to tell me what to read".

Acts 17:11 "they studied the SCRIPTURES daily to see IF those things were so"
This "RCC" is a figment of your own imagination.
There is NO such thing as the "RCC".
 

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Thanks for the history lesson, but you don't know what most Baptists think or say about anything. I was a Baptist for years, and I wouldn't pretend to know what most Baptists think or say!!!
And if you were a Baptist - chances are that YOUR sect DIDN'T adhere to the falsehood that is chronicled in
Trail of Blood . . .
 

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Not according to the Eastern Orthodox Christians! That's what they call you guys.
No they don't - they're NOT that stupid.
Only an ignorant person would call the Catholic Church the "RCC" or "Roman Catholic Church" . . .
 

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I have no idea. I've never heard of it.
It's been in discussion for the last several posts.

It details the false idea that Baptists can trace their denomination al the way back to the Apostles.
This is simply NOT true. It was yet another denomination born in the so-called "Reformation".
 

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What do Eastern Orthodox Christians call your church?
"The Catholic Church."
This is the official name of the Catholic Church.

As I have stated on NUMEROUS occasions - "Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to the RITE - of which there are TWENTY that comprise the Catholic Church. Some of the other Rites include the Melkite, Byzantine, Coptic, Maronite, Ruthenian. Alexandrian, etc. Rites are largely differences of culture.

ALL of these Rites make up the ONE Catholic Church.
When I see anti-Catholics use the term "RCC" - I chuckle at the ignorance because they are ONLY referring to ONE Rite.
 

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"The Catholic Church."
This is the official name of the Catholic Church.

As I have stated on NUMEROUS occasions - "Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to the RITE - of which there are TWENTY that comprise the Catholic Church. Some of the other Rites include the Melkite, Byzantine, Coptic, Maronite, Ruthenian. Alexandrian, etc. Rites are largely differences of culture.

ALL of these Rites make up the ONE Catholic Church.
When I see anti-Catholics use the term "RCC" - I chuckle at the ignorance because they are ONLY referring to ONE Rite.

WRONG! I looked at several Eastern Orthodox sites. They didn't even call the RCC a church. They called your religion "Roman Catholicism." At least those using the term RCC recognize your religion as a church.
 

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Lateran IV leads to the inquisition and the RCC itself uses the term "exterminate" for actions that follow where people were being killed.

It is their own Jesuit Fordham University that says it is in fact "exterminate"



Lateran IV calls for the "extermination of heretics" -- it is a supposedly infallible ecumenical council.


Fordham - a Jesuit web site and university.
FORDHAM – (Jesuit)

The Fourth Lateran Council, the council that dogmatized transubstantiation, offered indulgences to those who would "exterminate heretics" and participate in a Crusade. Since this council refers to the RCC's influence over the state (John 19:11), it points to the fact that the state was acting at the command of the RCC. The council declared (http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp
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CANON 3
“Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath. But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff [the Pope], that he may declare the ruler's vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action. The same law is to be observed in regard to those
who have no chief rulers (that is, are independent). Catholics who have girded themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics, shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in defense of the Holy Land.”
Hi BR,
We usually agree on doctrine and I hate to be put in the position of defending the cc, others here should be doing this...however, I have read canon 3 of the Lateran Council IV in both English and Italian which is closer to the Latin, and I really don't understand "exterminate" to mean "kill".

I believe it's being used in the sense of "purifying" the territory of these heretics by banning them from their property and from the territory in which their property belonged.

I won't belabor this since the CC has caused many atrocities and killed many and I will not defend their past actions.

P.S. I'm surprised @BreadOfLife did not pick up on your post...
 

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Hi BR,
We usually agree on doctrine and I hate to be put in the position of defending the cc, others here should be doing this...however, I have read canon 3 of the Lateran Council IV in both English and Italian which is closer to the Latin, and I really don't understand "exterminate" to mean "kill".

I believe it's being used in the sense of "purifying" the territory of these heretics by banning them from their property and from the territory in which their property belonged.

I won't belabor this since the CC has caused many atrocities and killed many and I will not defend their past actions.

P.S. I'm surprised @BreadOfLife did not pick up on your post...
I've already discussed this matter in GREAT detail with him but he is firmly-rooted in his anti-Catholicism and won't listen to linguistic or historical fact.
Some people prefer the lie because it fits better with their biases . . .