The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture
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Thanks...that pretty much answers the question.
And, I never said it was as intense then as it would be in the end. In fact, if you look back, I actually said it would get worse.
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Romans 8:19-23 The created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed. It was His choice to subject all things to mortality and decay, with the eventual goal of His people entering into the glorious liberty of immortality and a renewed creation. Up to the present as we know, the whole of creation, in all its parts, groans as if in the pangs of childbirth. What is more, we also, to whom the Spirit is given as first-fruits of the harvest to come, are inwardly groaning in anticipation of our adoption as children of God and our liberation from mortality. Romans 9:24-26
Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry. Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17
Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumors of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age. Jeremiah 15:2
As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’. When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age. Here are the facts:
1/ In 1914-19, World War 1 occurred. There were 7 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Smallpox and typhus killed millions, but Spanish flu killed at least 50 million in 1918/19. There were terrible famines in Europe and Russia.
2/ During 1939-45 there was World War 2 and 8 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Typhus again killed millions, in North Africa, in Iran and Europe. Anne Frank died of typhus. A terrible famine in China killed at least 45 million.
3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife. It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer and AIDs are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Russia and Africa.
4/ The fourth and final ‘birth pang’, will be the Great Tribulation of the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Bowls, so vividly described in Revelation, but ending with the Return of Jesus and the birth of the Millennial era.
But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface, will affect the whole world, killing probably billions. This will enable two things; the establishment of a One World Government and the re-settling of the Lord’s people into all of the holy Land.
The time gap of the Seventh Seal; Revelation 8:1, [1/2 hour in Heaven = 20 years on earth] from this CME until the end of the Church age, is prophesied as a time of peace and prosperity. After the G.T. Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.
Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry. Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17
Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumors of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age. Jeremiah 15:2
As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’. When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age. Here are the facts:
1/ In 1914-19, World War 1 occurred. There were 7 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Smallpox and typhus killed millions, but Spanish flu killed at least 50 million in 1918/19. There were terrible famines in Europe and Russia.
2/ During 1939-45 there was World War 2 and 8 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Typhus again killed millions, in North Africa, in Iran and Europe. Anne Frank died of typhus. A terrible famine in China killed at least 45 million.
3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife. It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer and AIDs are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Russia and Africa.
4/ The fourth and final ‘birth pang’, will be the Great Tribulation of the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Bowls, so vividly described in Revelation, but ending with the Return of Jesus and the birth of the Millennial era.
But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface, will affect the whole world, killing probably billions. This will enable two things; the establishment of a One World Government and the re-settling of the Lord’s people into all of the holy Land.
The time gap of the Seventh Seal; Revelation 8:1, [1/2 hour in Heaven = 20 years on earth] from this CME until the end of the Church age, is prophesied as a time of peace and prosperity. After the G.T. Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.
Im good and understand the Psalms well
Luke 21:17 "And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake."
How shall you be hated if you not gonna be here?
Count on the fact that all men and women that do not have the seal of God in their mind, will hate and be disgusted with you. They will not be able to see the truth, and no matter what you say, when their life is sold out to their traditions and false doctrines, they would sell their own mothers in the name of religion. Remember that as Satan stands there in Jerusalem, telling them that he is Christ, doing the lying wonders that he will be doing, they will hate you when you go against their christ. We see this now in the world, for when one religion comes against another, people are willing to die for their religious cause. This is why we put on the gospel armor of Christ, so that we can stand against the fiery darts of Satan in that day.
Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might."
In the power of your might? Of course not, in the power and might of the Holy Spirit, standing ready to be used as He sees fit.
Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."
Bank on it, Satan is coming against you with everything that he has. However, with the full gospel armor on and in place in your mind you will be well protected. You are to care what God thinks, and what men think just doesn't matter when you have the victory.
Luke 21:18 "But there shall not an hair of your head perish."
Luke 10:19 "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
In the Greek text, it is "Behold I have given you the power..." The enemy is Satan, the one that will "fall as lightning from heaven onto the earth". The serpents are the Kenites, the children of Satan, through his son Cain from the garden of Eden. The Scorpions are the fallen angels, that will be booted out of heaven on to the earth right along with Satan. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." This next time takes place at the sixth trump, and we will see these fallen angels of Satan here on earth in our generation.
Remember in the prior verses Jesus had stated that "I send you out as sheep among the wolves." Yet God will give those lambs that He sends out, power over all the wolves that come against them, but they must know how to attain that power and authority. It isn't valuable to them until the know how to use that power. Jesus gave His lambs "power over all your enemies." then Jesus said; "And nothing shall by any means hurt you." If you say your a Christian; and Jesus gave you a promise like that, how can you have any fear of any enemy that is on this earth. We will see in Luke 21 that "not one hair on your head can be hurt", and just because you will be delivered up to death, which is the devil, to give account of yourself, doesn't mean that you will die. But you will be given the opportunity to witness to the world, and have the Holy Spirit of God be placing the words in your mouth and the thoughts in your mind.
There hasn't been one soul or spirit that has died yet, for that time of death comes at the end of judgment day. Satan is not after your physical body, but your soul and spirit, and he will try to deceive you, or buy it at his price. What is your soul worth? Is there a price that you would sell out to Satan? It is time to wake up spiritually, and open our eyes and ears to the truth. Stop and think on this: Satan's power and that of his angels are limited. in Revelation 9:4 we see that it goes; "...only to those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." If you have studied the Word and know the truths that we will face from Satan, there is no fear or deception that can sway you.
Real Christians don't look to run ,we stand
Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."
When?
Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
What evil day?
You see what it says?STAND,and if you can't handle it ,although I know for a fact you won't be raptured,don't want you beside me anyway,just get out the way,
Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."
When?
Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
What evil day?
You see what it says?STAND,and if you can't handle it ,although I know for a fact you won't be raptured,don't want you beside me anyway,just get out the way,
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Go and think you will be raptured,I don't wanna be,and know Im not no tribulation saint.Im one whom shall stay working till the end
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Revelation 21 and 22 proves you wrong.
Time to get over the fanciful notion of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church. That outcome is never prophesied to happen.
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Maybe; Methuselah nearly made it.
1 Corinthians 15:50-56 says there will be some alive at the end of the Millennium and provided their names are in the Book of life, they will go into Eternity without dying.
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The ones that go into the eternity without dying are the living raptured and those raptured when Satan is released from the pit and makes war on Jerusalem, at which time God destroys the earth and heavens.
Those raptured are glorified, so earthly time stops for them at the rapture. They do not keep getting older.
The book of life reference is the second resurrection, which is for the damned, not the saints.
People will live a long time in the millennial kingdom. 100 years old is still a child. But those born in the MK cannot be 1000 years old because it will be 1000 minus the time from the beginning of the MK to their birth. So there isn't 1000 years available.
The end is the end of this age of the flesh,ALL shall be changed at the return of Christ,age of flesh will be over.
At that time those in Christ will put on immortality ,meaning the 2nd death has no power over them,those not in Christ will still have a mortal soul and stand a chance of their soul dying
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Two resurrections
The first is not a one day event. It includes the two witnesses at mid trib and all the saints that die during the MK.
There's no blessing for those in the second resurrection.
Revelation 20:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. Theya]">[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:12-13 New International Version (NIV)
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
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I see no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone at that time. Or any other time, with the special exception of the 2 Witnesses.
Please cease making wild assertions of such an incredible fable as going to live in heaven. You have no Biblical support for it.
Wrong.
The Book of Life will be opened at the Great White Throne Judgement, after the Millennium.
EVERY person who has ever lived will stand before the Throne and be judged. Separate Judgements for the saints and the damned? How is that even possible; it is the Judgement that sorts them out!
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Only reason you concede the two witnesses is because you have no choice.
A two man only rapture.
Flesh (the human body) is NOT evil as taught by the Gnostics. There will be transformed and glorified human bodies in Heaven (in the New Jerusalem), as well as saved and righteous human beings on earth in actual bodies, when the New Earth is established (and also during the Millennium).
Christ is presently in Heaven in an actual human body which of course is glorified and glorious. And in any event there is no such thing as the *age of the flesh* which will eventually disappear.
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What happens to the saints living on the earth at this time?
This is 1000 years after the the rapture at the beginning of the tribulation.
Revelation 20:7-10 New International Version (NIV)
The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This is 1000 years after the the rapture at the beginning of the tribulation.
Revelation 20:7-10 New International Version (NIV)
The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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