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Richard_oti

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That doesn't sound like a time of tribulation but a time of normalcy.
Well said.
 

Richard_oti

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It has really helped me learn to "dig" for truth's.
May you be blessed. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings. [Pro 25:2]
 

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If the rapture takes place as some believe and the Holy Spirit leaves with the church as it is taught...How will there be saved people during the tribulation without the Holy Spirit?I came across this and it is puzzling me....
setfree, The Rapture, as most understand it will NOT take place. The scriptures tell us what will happen. The ones who are taken to heaven, are a Little Flock, as Jesus said, Luke 12:32, these one will be Kings and Priests along Jesus, Rev 20:4-6, 5:9,10. These will take part in the FIRST Resurrection, Rev 20:5,6, Luke 22:28-30, Matt 19:28. As Paul tells us these will be resurrected to heavenly life as spirit creations, they will be granted immortality, 1Cor 15:51-54. The vast majority of people will come bact in a resurrection of the dead, to earth, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15.These brought back are different that the ones having a part in the First Resurrection, because these must go through the Thousand Year Judgement Day, to be granted everlasting life, Rev 20:5. These will be judged out of the things written in the scroll of life, Rev 20:12. The people of the First resurrection have already been judged as righteous because of Jesus' ransom and are granted immortality. These cannot die!! The ones resurrected here on earth are the ones mentioned at Ps 37:29, who will life FOREVER on earth. This will bring to completion =God's original purpose for a paradise earth, Gen 1:26-28, Isa 45:18. When the Almighy God, Jehovah purposes something, IT WILL come to pass, Isa 46:10,11, 55:11. The Bible actually tells us that it is the wicked that will be removed from earth, the righteous will live forever on earth, Prov 2:21,21, Ps 37:29.
 

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setfree, The Rapture, as most understand it will NOT take place. The scriptures tell us what will happen. The ones who are taken to heaven, are a Little Flock, as Jesus said, Luke 12:32, these one will be Kings and Priests along Jesus, Rev 20:4-6, 5:9,10. These will take part in the FIRST Resurrection, Rev 20:5,6, Luke 22:28-30, Matt 19:28. As Paul tells us these will be resurrected to heavenly life as spirit creations, they will be granted immortality, 1Cor 15:51-54. The vast majority of people will come bact in a resurrection of the dead, to earth, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15.These brought back are different that the ones having a part in the First Resurrection, because these must go through the Thousand Year Judgement Day, to be granted everlasting life, Rev 20:5. These will be judged out of the things written in the scroll of life, Rev 20:12. The people of the First resurrection have already been judged as righteous because of Jesus' ransom and are granted immortality. These cannot die!!
I do not understand who you said takes part in the first resurrection. They are kings and priest? Are we not called priest?
 

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I do not understand who you said takes part in the first resurrection. They are kings and priest? Are we not called priest?
Not in this age we aren't, but if one wants to call themselves one...fine...but however, there is such thing as false prophets, false priest...Anybody can call themselves one in their own eyes, as for God, it depends if one is following God or not...Edit: Kriss's post at the bottom is more detailed than mine. She's right.
 

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I do not understand who you said takes part in the first resurrection. They are kings and priest? Are we not called priest?
They are the Elect all the ones that over come until the End without following Antichrist. They are called blessed. Antichrist comes in peacfully and prosperously he will be tempting you with peace and wealth and one World religion claiming he is christ,here to save you. The wrath of God does not happen until his second coming and is directed at Antichrist/Satan and his Army of followers not against believes that will overcome. This is What Rapture theroy does not teach you. It is a theroy of men never written in scripture unfortunatly it is Rapture theroy that keeps most of the World from hearing the Truth of Gods Word so that they know the first christ is the fake one We are told to wait until the real Christ comes.
 

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jtartar, I was wondering where you stand on this, did I miss read your post? Are you saying there are priest and kings in the first resurrection?You mentioned that you do not believe in the rapture, who is this little flock? I have never heard this before.
 

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Not in this age we aren't, but if one wants to call themselves one...fine...but however, there is such thing as false prophets, false priest...Anybody can call themselves one in their own eyes, as for God, it depends if one is following God or not...Edit: Kriss's post at the bottom is more detailed than mine. She's right.
What does 1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6, 5:10, 20:6 say about priesthood?
 

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Not in this age we aren't, but if one wants to call themselves one...fine...but however, there is such thing as false prophets, false priest...Anybody can call themselves one in their own eyes, as for God, it depends if one is following God or not...Edit: Kriss's post at the bottom is more detailed than mine. She's right.
What does 1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6, 5:10, 20:6 say about priesthood?My above post still stand for 2 reasons. People can claim they are priest, prophets etc...but it doesn't make it that they are one in God's eyes... (Matthew 7:15, I John 4:1)1. We don't know men's heart.2. Only God knows everybody's heart.As Kriss saids, the priest are the Elects for the Melinneum Reign.
 

Jordan

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So you can not shed light on the scriptures I posted?
I just did.
 

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1 Peter 2:5 "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifice acceptable to God by Jesus Christ" 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood......These verses tell me that we are a royal priesthood, what am I missing? and where did you comment about these scriptures?
 

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could you till me what rev12:17 and 14:12 means in full content
This is exactly what I keep asking you not to do bullfughter they mean exactly what they say no one has said different but the commandments were fulfilled in Christ We are to keep them but its how you understand them that is the problem and this thread is not about Sabbath its about End times you are off topic.If you post about the Sabbath here I will delete it.Go to the Sabbth thread
 

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This is exactly what I keep asking you not to do bullfughter they mean exactly what they say no one has said different but the commandments were fulfilled in Christ We are to keep them but its how you understand them that is the problem and this thread is not about Sabbath its about End times you are off topic.If you post about the Sabbath here I will delete it.Go to the Sabbth thread
this is not about the sabbath , it is about other things .i know you want to delete me..i am tring to be carefull, this is about the beast and the endurance of who..stop picking on me.i am a child of god tring to share some truth with those that care to listen
 

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this is not about the sabbath , it is about other things .i know you want to delete me..i am tring to be carefull, this is about the beast and the endurance of who..stop picking on me.i am a child of god tring to share some truth with those that care to listen
Im not picking on you Im asking you to stick to the topic which you have never done sense day one if you can not do that the problem is you not following the rules not me picking on you. You have brought up the same two verse's over and over in your Sabbath argument and now you say they are about something different. If so thats true fine I was just warning you not to post off topic
 

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Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." The war of the latter days is not fought with guns and rockets, but with words and doctrines, with concepts that come right out of the Bible. It is a spiritual warfare, and the battlefield is in your mind. To be ready for that war, you must have your spiritual armor on and in place, and be ready to do spiritual battle with Satan and all his realm. Those who keep the commandments are the church of believers14:12 These saints are those that know what is to come, and held to their faith. They have stood fast through every deception, and trick the Antichrist could pull, and they kept the commandments of God. The church of true believers keeps the commandments,given by God, fulfilled in Jesus Christ there is only one way to Salvation and that is through our Lord and Savior
 

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Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."The war of the latter days is not fought with guns and rockets, but with words and doctrines, with concepts that come right out of the Bible. It is a spiritual warfare, and the battlefield is in your mind. To be ready for that war, you must have your spiritual armor on and in place, and be ready to do spiritual battle with Satan and all his realm. Those who keep the commandments are the church of believers14:12 These saints are those that know what is to come, and held to their faith. They have stood fast through every deception, and trick the Antichrist could pull, and they kept the commandments of God.The church of true believers keeps the commandments,given by God, fulfilled in Jesus Christ there is only one way to Salvation and that is through our Lord and Savior
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are you saying that if people teach the ten commandment as written
...in the old testament ,the law jesus talked about of his fathers.if you teach that even if you teach jesus also that you are of the antichristNo she is not saying that...that is completely ridiculous.Matthew 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Must you attack her with lies and accusations?
 

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Thanks Jag I just deleted his post....... its just as I thought he can only talk about one thing it has nothing to do with this topic .....or the beast or End times...
 

Jordan

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Thanks Jag I just deleted his post....... its just as I thought he can only talk about one thing his idea of the law it has nothing to do with this topic .....or the beast or End times...
Of course he can't stop talking about it which he post like nearly all the topics he gets a chance available...Your welcome, just watching over you and defending you.
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