When the Year of the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbat of the Year 6000 YB, Jubilees

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I did not read every post, but enough to see a lot of people appealing to OT calendars and such for answers.

Well, forget those since they're all fulfilled in Christ.

The bible's clear we do not know when the rapture will occur. Only the father knows.

I have my own guesstamation of a rough time frame when the second coming will occur.

The generation that sees the restoration of Israel will see the second coming. So how long is a generation to set an upper time limit.

There our people alive today over 100 years old. So if any one of them was still live does that count? Or is it a more generalized time limit like average lifespan?

Going by generalized, that would be 80 to 82 years. So 1948 plus 82 is 2030.

Even if that is accurate Christ can come earlier. Really, this old world of sinking faster and faster.

For several reasons my personal opinion is half of that tops.

Those that left behind when the rapture occurs can calculate an absolute date. The rapture date plus seven years of 360 days per year.

So right now the only thing we can say that for sure is the amillennial and post-millennial thinking is absolutely disproven and there's no way to calculate even a year at this time.
 

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DID YOU BOTHER TO READ PSALM 2? It says that when the Father finally gives the possession of the Earth to Jesus, He's going to "break them (the heathen nations) with a rod of iron" and "dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel".

Please tell me how you plan to rule over that, sir.
I think that you have to answer Revelation 20:8 and context; for it contradicts your end-times theology.
 

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Well...I see that you are not paying attention, because I most definitely did confess it.

Nonetheless, those passages do not say "physical body" at all.

I also explained it, and gave the answer to the problem, saying that, He did come...meaning the verse is already fulfilled. It also means that you look where He cannot be found, nor do you see Him "as He is" according to John's explanation of these matters:

1 John 3:2
"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

...The world does not see Him, and sees Him no more...because He has gone to the Father, whom is spirit. But you apparently do not look at Him as He is, for you look for Him not as He is, but in the flesh, which He has already laid down and given in sacrifice.
You are now on my ignore list (Romans 16:17), since you have not confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh...that means, in a physical, human body.

He is come in the flesh...since you deny this fact, I believe the scripture (i.e. 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7) declares that you are not of the Spirit of Christ but of the spirit of Antichrist...however you want to slice a meal of that sort, I am certain that you will make it seem palatable to everyone here...but I will not partake, of this you can be certain.
 

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You are now on my ignore list (Romans 16:17), since you have not confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh...that means, in a physical, human body.

He is come in the flesh...since you deny this fact, I believe the scripture (i.e. 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7) declares that you are not of the Spirit of Christ but of the spirit of Antichrist...however you want to slice a meal of that sort, I am certain that you will make it seem palatable to everyone here...but I will not partake, of this you can be certain.
That is not all you are ignoring.

You have a problem.

I have told you twice that Christ has come in the flesh, and this is the third time. But you are one who does not hear, nor see...nor even read
As for 2 John 1:7 ...He did come - just as it is written. Why should you accuse me and be cast down? Revelation 12:10
Well...I see that you are not paying attention, because I most definitely did confess it.

...What's up with you - are you hiding something?
 
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DID YOU BOTHER TO READ PSALM 2? It says that when the Father finally gives the possession of the Earth to Jesus, He's going to "break them (the heathen nations) with a rod of iron" and "dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel".

Please tell me how you plan to rule over that, sir.

Because thats exactly what the Messiah is going to do, before he rules over the nations, he must BREAK THEM, which are the seven plagues of wrath of Revelation, which will lead up the collapse of every city in the world, a literal breaking of the nations, and once they have been broken, they will all be gathered, and taken to the valley of Jehoshaphat, to be judged, and then will be cast in the Valley of Hinnom, which is Gehenna, which will become a lake of lava, to be destroyed. And of these nations, very few will be left, which will be granted mercy, to multiply, and repopulate the earth. And these are the nations the people of God and the Messiah will rule over for a thousand years. This is precisely what is going to happen.
 

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Yes, they will DROP DEAD like flies and no one will rule over them. Where do you keep getting this foolish idea that Jesus and the saints are going to rule over live wicked human beings on Earth for 1,000 years?

Its what the scriptures say, LOOK,

Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20)

See, Yehovah is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants— it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. Yehovah has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languish with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the aeonial covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left. (Isaiah 24:1-6)

I will make people more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir. (Isaiah 13:12)

“In that day,” declares Yehovah, “I will gather the lame; I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief. I will make the lame my remnant, those driven away a strong nation. Yehovah will rule over them in Mount Zion from that day and aeonially. (Micah 4:6-7)

For Yehovah will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and sojourners will join them and will attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the land of Yehovah as male and female servants. They will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them.
(Isaiah 14:1-2)

I pursued my enemies and overtook them, And I did not turn back until they were consumed.I shattered them, so that they were not able to rise; They fell under my feet. For You have girded me with strength for battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me. You have also made my enemies turn their backs to me, And I destroyed those who hated me. They cried for help, but there was none to save, Even to Yehovah, but He did not answer them. Then I beat them fine as the dust before the airflow; I emptied them out as the mire of the streets. You have delivered me from the contentions of the people; You have placed me as head of the nations; A people whom I have not known serve me. As soon as they hear, they obey me; Foreigners submit to me. Foreigners fade away, And come trembling out of their fortresses. Yehovah lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation, The God who executes vengeance for me, And subdues peoples under me. (Psalm 18:37-47)

An oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, Yehovah is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them. And I will stir up Egyptians against Egyptians, and they will fight, each against another and each against his neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom; and the airflow of the Egyptians within them will be emptied out, and I will confound their counsel; and they will inquire of the idols and the sorcerers, and the mediums and the necromancers; and I will give over the Egyptians into the hand of a hard master, and a fierce king will rule over them, declares Yehovah Master of armies… In that day the Egyptians will be like women, and tremble with fear before the hand that Yehovah of armies shakes over them. And the land of Judah will become a terror to the Egyptians. Everyone to whom it is mentioned will fear because of the purpose that Yehovah of armies has purposed against them. In that day there will be five cities in the land of Egypt that speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to Yehovah… In that day there will be an altar to Yehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to Yehovah at its border. It will be a sign and a witness to Yehovah of armies in the land of Egypt. When they cry to Yehovah because of oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and deliver them. And Yehovah will make himself known to the Egyptians, and the Egyptians will know Yehovah in that day and worship with sacrifice and offering, and they will make vows to Yehovah and perform them. And Yehovah will strike Egypt, striking and healing, and they will return to Yehovah, and he will listen to their pleas for mercy and heal them. In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and Assyria will come into Egypt, and Egypt into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom Yehovah of armies has blessed, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.”
(Isaiah 19:1-25)

For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Habakkuk 2:14)

They will neither harm nor destroy on all my set-apart mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5 [NIV])

But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. (Psalm 37:11 [KJV])

He has shown his people the power of his works, giving them the lands of other nations. (Psalm 111:6 [NIV])

(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of the Messiah and will reign with him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:5-6 [MODIFIED-NIV])

To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ –just as I have received authority from my Father. (Revelation 2:26-27 [NIV])

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. (Revelation 3:21 [ESV])

It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by belief. (Romans 4:13 [MODIFIED-NIV])

And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the set-apart ones of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an aeonial* kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’ (Daniel 7:27 [ESV])

“‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities. (Luke 19:17-19 [NIV])

The airflow of the Master Yehovah is upon me, for Yehovah has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to comfort the brokenhearted and to proclaim that captives will be released and prisoners will be freed. 2 He has sent me to tell those who mourn that the time of the Yehovah’s favor has come, and with it, the day of God’s anger against their enemies. 3 To all who mourn in Israel, he will give a crown of beauty for ashes, a joyous blessing instead of mourning, festive praise instead of despair. In their righteousness, they will be like great oaks that Yehovah has planted for his own glory. 4 They will rebuild the ancient ruins, repairing cities destroyed long ago. They will revive them, though they have been deserted for many generations. 5 Foreigners will be your servants. They will feed your flocks and plow your fields and tend your vineyards. 6 You will be called priests of Yehovah, ministers of our God. You will feed on the treasures of the nations and boast in their riches. 7 Instead of shame and dishonor, you will enjoy a double share of honor. You will possess a double portion of prosperity in your land, and aeonial* joy will be yours. (Isaiah 61:1-7 [NLT])

You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:10 [NIV])

I CAN GO ON AND ON WITH MORE SCRIPTURES. THERE IS A ONE THOUSAND YEAR RULERSHIP ON THIS CURRENT EARTH THAT MANY PROPHECIES DESCRIBE THAT YOU ARE IGNORING. You refuse to understand what these scriptures teach because you have your own false belief that you don't want to give up, because you're stubborn. I have no problem believing yay or nay. If what you are saying were the truth, I would have no problem believing that, but it is not the truth. I care about knowing the actual truth, not about me forcing my own theories, which is what you're doing, which are contrary to the scriptures. These scriptures prove that what I'm saying is the actual truth. How much longer will you continue hardening your heart and refusing to believe?
 

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Did it not occur to you that the nations are the very people you say will drop dead like flies, hello? Yeshuah is not coming to rule over his own people, he is coming to rule WITH his people OVER the nations. Many will die at his coming, and few will survive from the nations, which will multiply and become mighty nations. This is what the scriptures teach.

Not to mention those being resurrected at that time.
 

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The Great Satan is coming to dominate over all, it will be the far right and far left extremist who control the world, it's a Nazi type of Communism marriage, they are like the rudder of a large ship of fools. the fools in the ship have no power over the rudder because they have been brainwashed with all the rubbish that the rudder has peddled to them not to mention that the rudder has such control over all who would have the brains speak out, but they can't because the ship of fools have been indoctrinated just as the Communist and Nazis people were with there Political Correctness Police, so that you don't have a voice or they will come at you with razor blades and lemon juice.
That's in fact how the bastards worked to control there people and todays people are totally oblivious to it all and so pathetic that the majority just swallow that type of stupid crap full on playing into the hands of antichrist monsters.
 

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I think that you have to answer Revelation 20:8 and context; for it contradicts your end-times theology.
That happens at the END of the thousand years during the resurrection of damnation, when the wicked all arise and go forth to surround the Celestial City.

It is actually YOUR version of eschatology which refuses to account for an Earth "destroyed", "turned upside down", filled with only "darkness", "empty", "utterly empty", with "no man", where all the elements and the works therein are "burned up" - it is Jesuit Futurism and should be abandoned at once.
 

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Because thats exactly what the Messiah is going to do, before he rules over the nations, he must BREAK THEM, which are the seven plagues of wrath of Revelation, which will lead up the collapse of every city in the world, a literal breaking of the nations, and once they have been broken, they will all be gathered, and taken to the valley of Jehoshaphat, to be judged, and then will be cast in the Valley of Hinnom, which is Gehenna, which will become a lake of lava, to be destroyed. And of these nations, very few will be left, which will be granted mercy, to multiply, and repopulate the earth. And these are the nations the people of God and the Messiah will rule over for a thousand years. This is precisely what is going to happen.
So, when in your Jesuit Futurist interpretation of end times prophecy, when does God punish the wicked all over the Earth by making it "empty", "waste", "utterly empty", "clean dissolved", "turneth it upside down", where the "heavens and the Earth will pass away" and the elements and works therein shall "melt with fervent heat" and "burn up" and "darkness" shall sweep over the land that is littered with bodies from "one end of the Earth even to the other end"???

How can life continue for "another seven years of tribulation" or "a thousand year reign" of Christ and His saints over the wicked when the wicked are all dead? The "few left" are the RIGHTEOUS which are preserved through the destruction as the Israelites were preserved through the seven last plagues. Besides, Jesus says He's going to prepare a place over there, which means when He returns to get us, we'll be headed back over there with Him, just as a Hebrew bride would leave her home and join her husband in HIS land at the chamber he prepared for her, rihgt? How can we mistake Jesus' words in John 14 to mean that we'll stay here and reign 1,000 years?
 

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You are now on my ignore list (Romans 16:17), since you have not confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh...that means, in a physical, human body.
Denying Jesus came in the flesh has much more to do with simply denying His physical, human body. The historic evidence proves beyond a doubt Jesus' incarnation. Denying this would be as foolish as denying the flesh of George Washington or Abraham Lincoln.

The evidence which makes this denial go beyond His mere physical flesh has to do with what the word "ANTICHRIST" means: It means "instead of Christ", "in behalf of Christ", "in place of Christ", "for Christ", not just "against Christ".

Therefore, since Antichrist seeks to supplant the authority of Christ...in what way can denying His flesh help accomplish this? By denying the "kind of flesh" in which He came.

If it can be falsely claimed that Jesus came with was "unfallen", "different" flesh than the fallen flesh that you and I have - then it may be argued that we cannot approach Christ in our filthy, unjust flesh without a mediator...which is precisely what the papal Antichrist does to rob Christ of His authority.[/QUOTE]
 

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That happens at the END of the thousand years during the resurrection of damnation, when the wicked all arise and go forth to surround the Celestial City.

It is actually YOUR version of eschatology which refuses to account for an Earth "destroyed", "turned upside down", filled with only "darkness", "empty", "utterly empty", with "no man", where all the elements and the works therein are "burned up" - it is Jesuit Futurism and should be abandoned at once.
Why does God raise up the wicked? Just so that they can attack the holy city?
 

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Denying Jesus came in the flesh has much more to do with simply denying His physical, human body. The historic evidence proves beyond a doubt Jesus' incarnation. Denying this would be as foolish as denying the flesh of George Washington or Abraham Lincoln.

The evidence which makes this denial go beyond His mere physical flesh has to do with what the word "ANTICHRIST" means: It means "instead of Christ", "in behalf of Christ", "in place of Christ", "for Christ", not just "against Christ".

Therefore, since Antichrist seeks to supplant the authority of Christ...in what way can denying His flesh help accomplish this? By denying the "kind of flesh" in which He came.

If it can be falsely claimed that Jesus came with was "unfallen", "different" flesh than the fallen flesh that you and I have - then it may be argued that we cannot approach Christ in our filthy, unjust flesh without a mediator...which is precisely what the papal Antichrist does to rob Christ of His authority.
You are simply missing the fact that scripture teaches that Christ was and is indeed without sin according to four scripture passages in the New Testament...2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Peter 2:22, and 1 John 3:5 (w/ Hebrews 13:8).
 

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Its what the scriptures say, LOOK,
Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20)
Unless people will be DYING in the new heaven and earth, Isaiah's words here are obviously allegorical - so whatever logic you derive from this to support a thousand year reign on Earth after Jesus comes back is unknown to me.
See, Yehovah is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants— it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. Yehovah has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languish with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the aeonial covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left. (Isaiah 24:1-6)
How do these words of Isaiah - which teach that the coming cataclysmic destruction will not have respect for a sinner's status, position, success or the lack thereof - establish a thousand year reign on an Earth which this same Isaiah says will be "empty", "waste", "utterly empty", "clean dissolved", "reeling to and fro like a drunkard", "turned upside down" which any sane person would never suggest are conditions that can sustain even one life?
I will make people more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir. (Isaiah 13:12)
How does this prove a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
“In that day,” declares Yehovah, “I will gather the lame; I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief. I will make the lame my remnant, those driven away a strong nation. Yehovah will rule over them in Mount Zion from that day and aeonially. (Micah 4:6-7)
How does this prove a thousand year reign on the earth of the righteous over the wicked?
For Yehovah will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and sojourners will join them and will attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the land of Yehovah as male and female servants. They will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them.
(Isaiah 14:1-2)
Clearly referring to the return of Israel from the Babylonian captivity.
I pursued my enemies and overtook them,...As soon as they hear, they obey me; Foreigners submit to me. Foreigners fade away, And come trembling out of their fortresses. Yehovah lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation, The God who executes vengeance for me, And subdues peoples under me. (Psalm 18:37-47)
Clearly referring to David's deliverance and successful decades long reign.
And Yehovah will make himself known to the Egyptians, and the Egyptians will know Yehovah in that day and worship with sacrifice and offering, and they will make vows to Yehovah and perform them. And Yehovah will strike Egypt, striking and healing, and they will return to Yehovah, and he will listen to their pleas for mercy and heal them. In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and Assyria will come into Egypt, and Egypt into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom Yehovah of armies has blessed, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.”
(Isaiah 19:1-25) And what in all of this demands that the conversion of these individuals in these heathen nations must take place during a 1,000 year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Habakkuk 2:14)
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
They will neither harm nor destroy on all my set-apart mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5 [NIV])
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
But the meek shall inherit the earth
; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace
. (Psalm 37:11 [KJV])
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
He has shown his people the power of his works, giving them the lands of other nations. (Psalm 111:6 [NIV])
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of the Messiah and will reign with him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:5-6 [MODIFIED-NIV])
Finally, a verse which proves the 1,000 years separate the righteous who come up in the first resurrection, after which the wicked all over the earth drop dead "at the brightness of his coming" (2 Thessalonians 2:8) and join the rest of the dead wicked in death until after the thousand year reign of Jesus and His saints which is in heaven.
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ –just as I have received authority from my Father. (Revelation 2:26-27 [NIV])
Please read Psalm 2 to see just what it means to "rule" with a rod of iron...it means "destroy".
The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne
, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne
. (Revelation 3:21 [ESV])

It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by belief. (Romans 4:13 [MODIFIED-NIV])

And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the set-apart ones of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an aeonial* kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’ (Daniel 7:27 [ESV])

“‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities. (Luke 19:17-19 [NIV])
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
To all who mourn in Israel, he will give a crown of beauty for ashes, a joyous blessing instead of mourning, festive praise instead of despair. In their righteousness, they will be like great oaks that Yehovah has planted for his own glory. 4 They will rebuild the ancient ruins, repairing cities destroyed long ago. They will revive them, though they have been deserted for many generations. 5 Foreigners will be your servants. They will feed your flocks and plow your fields and tend your vineyards. 6 You will be called priests of Yehovah, ministers of our God. You will feed on the treasures of the nations and boast in their riches. 7 Instead of shame and dishonor, you will enjoy a double share of honor. You will possess a double portion of prosperity in your land, and aeonial* joy will be yours. (Isaiah 61:1-7 [NLT])
A prophecy of the return from the Babylonian captivity, not some thousand year reign on the earth of the righteous over the wicked.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:10 [NIV])
And how does this verse demand this will happen during a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?

I CAN GO ON AND ON WITH MORE SCRIPTURES. THERE IS A ONE THOUSAND YEAR RULERSHIP ON THIS CURRENT EARTH THAT MANY PROPHECIES DESCRIBE THAT YOU ARE IGNORING
I think I've shown that none of the verses you've offered prove any 1,000 year reign on the earth of the righteous over the wicked UNLESS you inject a significant amount of subjectivity, which I believe you are doing. Perhaps you should examine these verses from a Protestant Historicist perspective instead of the popular Jesuit Futurist perspective.
 

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Why does God raise up the wicked? Just so that they can attack the holy city?
Of course! They all drop dead "at the brightness of His (second) coming" because sinners CANNOT stand in the sight of a holy God - they immediately give up the ghost! They all flee to the rocks and mountains but cannot escape "His terrible gaze" - they drop dead at the Second Coming, sleep through the thousand years with the rest of the dead wicked while Jesus and the saints return to heaven for the thousand year reign...

...and then the entire celestial city is transported to Earth, and as it descends, God resurrects the dead wicked - all of them - and Satan is "loosed from his prison" of idleness and nothing to do and promptly gets busy martialling the wicked together...probably lying to them and telling them he himself resurrected them and that they greatly outnumber those meek folks inside the city who don't like fighting. But, soon they are convinced of their wrong, drop to their knees at the moment when every single person who has ever lived from Adam to the last born man confess that Jesus is Lord, after which fire comes down from God and devours them out of existence.
 

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You are simply missing the fact that scripture teaches that Christ was and is indeed without sin according to four scripture passages in the New Testament...2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Peter 2:22, and 1 John 3:5 (w/ Hebrews 13:8).
What in the world did I say to lead you to think I believe otherwise than what you just said? OF COURSE Jesus was without sin - He was perfect.
I simply said what the Bible says: that Jesus had "fallen flesh" which is NOT THE SAME THING as saying He fell (into sin).

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also himself likewise took part of the SAME; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily He took not on [Him THE (PERFECT) NATURE OF ANGELS] angels; but He took on [Him] the (FALLEN) seed of Abraham." Hebrews 2:14-16​
 

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So, when in your Jesuit Futurist interpretation of end times prophecy, when does God punish the wicked all over the Earth by making it "empty", "waste", "utterly empty", "clean dissolved", "turneth it upside down", where the "heavens and the Earth will pass away" and the elements and works therein shall "melt with fervent heat" and "burn up" and "darkness" shall sweep over the land that is littered with bodies from "one end of the Earth even to the other end"???

How can life continue for "another seven years of tribulation" or "a thousand year reign" of Christ and His saints over the wicked when the wicked are all dead? The "few left" are the RIGHTEOUS which are preserved through the destruction as the Israelites were preserved through the seven last plagues. Besides, Jesus says He's going to prepare a place over there, which means when He returns to get us, we'll be headed back over there with Him, just as a Hebrew bride would leave her home and join her husband in HIS land at the chamber he prepared for her, rihgt? How can we mistake Jesus' words in John 14 to mean that we'll stay here and reign 1,000 years?

I already told you, at the second coming the earth will be laid waste, through plagues, but there will be survivors. Just as the earth was completely flooded before in the time of Noah and completely destroyed, yet a few were spared, so it will be at the second coming of the Messiah. Why is this so difficult to understand? Will the Messiah rule over a barren wasteland for a thousand years? No, he will rule over the few that survived, which will become mighty nations, and will serve him and also the people that inherited the kingdom of God, ON THIS EARTH, for one goes to heaven either, for we will rule with the Messiah on THIS earth, which is why the Messiah comes again, to live and rule on THIS earth. And then we will live in the next earth, which is why there is never a point where we ascend into heaven.
 

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Unless people will be DYING in the new heaven and earth, Isaiah's words here are obviously allegorical - so whatever logic you derive from this to support a thousand year reign on Earth after Jesus comes back is unknown to me.
How do these words of Isaiah - which teach that the coming cataclysmic destruction will not have respect for a sinner's status, position, success or the lack thereof - establish a thousand year reign on an Earth which this same Isaiah says will be "empty", "waste", "utterly empty", "clean dissolved", "reeling to and fro like a drunkard", "turned upside down" which any sane person would never suggest are conditions that can sustain even one life?
How does this prove a thousand year reign on earth of the righteous over the wicked?
How does this prove a thousand year reign on the earth of the righteous over the wicked?
Clearly referring to the return of Israel from the Babylonian captivity.
Clearly referring to David's deliverance and successful decades long reign.

Because it shows that there will be survivors after the second coming of the Messiah, which will:

1. Be few in number, but will multiply and become mighty nations.
2. Will be subjected to sin and death.
3. And will serve the Messiah and the people of God.

Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, Yehovah of armies, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yehovah of armies, there will be no rain on them. And if the family of Egypt does not go up and present themselves, then on them there shall be no rain; which shall be the plague with which Yehovah afflicts the nations that do not go up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16-18)

I pursued my enemies and overtook them, And I did not turn back until they were consumed. I shattered them, so that they were not able to rise; They fell under my feet. For You have girded me with strength for battle; You have subdued under me those who rose up against me. You have also made my enemies turn their backs to me, And I destroyed those who hated me. They cried for help, but there was none to save, Even to Yehovah, but He did not answer them. Then I beat them fine as the dust before the airflow; I emptied them out as the mire of the streets. You have delivered me from the contentions of the people; You have placed me as head of the nations; A people whom I have not known serve me. As soon as they hear, they obey me; Foreigners submit to me. Foreigners fade away, And come trembling out of their fortresses. Yehovah lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation, The God who executes vengeance for me, And subdues peoples under me. (Psalm 18:37-47)

For Yehovah will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and sojourners will join them and will attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the land of Yehovah as male and female servants. They will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them. (Isaiah 14:1-2)

See, Yehovah is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants— it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for the mistress as for her servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. Yehovah has spoken this word. The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the heavens languish with the earth. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the aeonial covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left. (Isaiah 24:1-6)
 

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How did you arrive at these statements:

1. "They are having a 2000 sabbatical"
2. "64AD, when the Salvation of God was taken from them"
3. "Since all OT prophecy involves Israel"
4. "since there is no Israel, no prophecy can be fulfilled during this present 100% Gentile"

And there are more problems, but I will just address the problems in your first paragraph. Short explanations are best.

The only problem I see is your emotional attachment to Israel.

Israel does not exist today, as a nation, in God's eyes. They were set aside in Acts of the Apostles 28:25-28, about 64AD. In 25-27, the curse of Isa 6:9-10 was pronounced upon them for the 7th and last time in the Bible. The Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them in vs 28 and given to the Gentiles. They have no temple and they can't sacrifice animals. Therefore, it's impossible for them to keep the law and therefore impossible to be God's people. Their present situation is prophesied in Hosea 1:9 and 3:4, and in 6:2 they will return after 2 days, 2000 years, about 2064. In Hosea 1:9, they are Loammi, "not My people." Before the present Loammi period, they have had several others, totaling 93 years, including the Babylonian captivity. In each case, they had no temple and couldn't keep the law.

In Acts 28:25, the Greek word translated "departed" is translated as "divorced", or phrases like "put her away", meaning divorce, quite a few times in the OT. I believe that this is where God divorced His Wife, Israel, on the basis of adultery. Also, this will allow Him to remarry the all-Israel Bride, which are the occupants of the all-Israel New Jerusalem, where each tribe has their own gate and there is no Gentile gate..

Jews are essentially Gentiles today as individuals and not as a nation. Salvation comes only by belief in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, just like Gentiles. As I understand it, the Messianic Jews are those that accept Christ as Messiah. That alone is not adequate as it was during Acts. The only saving grace for them today is for them to become full-fledged Christians and believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and raised 3 days later.

Starting at Gen 12, ALL OT prophecy involves Israel in some way. Can you think of any that doesn't? Therefore, since there is no Israel, it is impossible that any OT prophecy has been fulfilled in the last 1900+ years. 1948 was a sham. When the angels locate all the true Israelites around the globe and put them in the land, the world will know it. The map in the link below shows the difference between the land occupied by the fake nation today (red) and the true prophesied return in the future (blue). I know none of those maps are 100% accurate but this gives the general idea.
The Geographic Center of The Earth And The Bible

Here's a quote from an article, called "The Grand Hoax", that sums things up quite well
"The Israeli government, today, is made up of unbelieving Jews administering a socialistic government which depends mostly upon the U.S.A. for its sustenance. When the true descendants of the three Patriarchs occupy the Land, they will depend on the LORD their God, and in no-one else will they trust. They will be totally dependent upon the Lord Jesus Christ. And, He will meet every need of His re-gathered people."

Paul's 7 post-Acts books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon, all are addressed to Gentiles and no Jews are even mentioned, as far as pertaining to the Gentile Church today, except that they and Gentiles are "equal." The word "Abraham" or the phrase "it is written" don't appear in them once Paul's 7 Acts books were all directed to Jews and Gentiles.

So, although there is no smoking gun verse that says, "Israel is not a nation today", there is plenty of evidence, as I related above, to prove that they don't. Also, there is ZERO scriptural evidence that indicates they are still God's people today.
 
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I already told you, at the second coming the earth will be laid waste, through plagues, but there will be survivors. Just as the earth was completely flooded before in the time of Noah and completely destroyed, yet a few were spared, so it will be at the second coming of the Messiah. Why is this so difficult to understand? Will the Messiah rule over a barren wasteland for a thousand years? No, he will rule over the few that survived, which will become mighty nations, and will serve him and also the people that inherited the kingdom of God, ON THIS EARTH, for one goes to heaven either, for we will rule with the Messiah on THIS earth, which is why the Messiah comes again, to live and rule on THIS earth. And then we will live in the next earth, which is why there is never a point where we ascend into heaven.

You just discarded a lot of the bible.