When the Year of the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbat of the Year 6000 YB, Jubilees

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See Daniel 12:2. It is the unbelieving who will be raised unto shame and everlasting contempt.

See also John 5:29.
Those are contemptible and evil believers. No where does it say they are unbelievers. No unbelievers ate ever resurrected. They are long gone. All believers are resurrected no matter how rotten they are.
 

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If anyone is in Christ (a believer), he is a new creature: old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new! 2 Corinthians 5:17.
 

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I beg to differ. See Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:46.

Do you have scripture that says that Jews are excluded from this heaven, spoken of in Colossians 1:5 (kjv) and 1 Peter 1:4?

In the texts, there is no mention of the concept of hell that Christians dearly cherish. It is only in the translations. The word hell or hel, as used in the translation of the grave in the AV meant, at the time, a "covered place." It's continued use in the newer Bibles is HERESY. The use of "hell" for"gehenna" is simply in error. In the millennium, many will die and their carcasses will be burned in the trash pit in the valley of Hinnom, outside of Jerusalem, see Isaiah 66:24. The Sermon on the Mount is about the Millennium.

Nowhere in Paul's 7 post-Acts books (Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, Philemon) will you find anything addressed to Jews, unless they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Everyone addressed in those Books are already saved. At the end on Acts, when Israel ceased to be a nation, in God's eyes, there were a lot of believing Jews and Gentiles (remnant) in the church that were left hanging and those that believed in Paul's Gospel of Salvation in 1Cor 15:1-4, could enter the brand new church in Eph, Col, etc., whose Hope was the Highest Heaven where Christ sits at the right hand of God, Far above the starry heavens.

1Peter 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

This verse doesn't say that the reader will go to heaven. It says his inheritance in reserved there for him. There are other verses that say the same thing. However, this probably is talking about the created starry Heaven(s), which includes the New Jerusalem (the inheritance). The NJ is 100% Israel, as proven by the fact that each trible has their own gate. There is no Gentile gate.

There are 3 places that will make up God's Universe, when He is all in all, the New Earth, the New Created Heavens, and rhe uncreated Heavenly Places, Far above the created Heaven, God's above. All 3 will be occupied by saved Humans. The nation Israel will be on the New earth, along with a ton of Gentiles that have no calling but make it through the white throne judgment. The New Jerusalem is for the elite Israelites and those those few grafted-in Gentiles in the all-Jewish Acts church. The Heavenly Places will be all those Gentiles today in the new church, those who are given the eyes to SEE their Hope in Paul's post-Acts epistles. The 2000 years from Gen 12 through Acts 28 was used to call out the all-Israel occupants of the New Heavens (New Jerusalem) and New Earth. The 2000 years from 64AD through 2064 (probably), is calling out the all-Gentile occupants of Heavenly Places, God's abode.

No place in the 59 all-Israel books (Gen through Acts) of the Bible will you find anyone that had a hope of residing in the Highest Heaven, where God lives. Only in Paul's 7 all Gentile books, written after Acts, will you find anyone with a Hope of this Highest Heaven. Search and See. Since it's impossible to prove a negative, you show me a verse that proves Israelites will go to the Highest Heaven, where God is. And, no more of those iffy verses like those you seemingly love to post.
 
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If anyone is in Christ (a believer), he is a new creature: old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new! 2 Corinthians 5:17.
So, you know no evil believers? You need to get out more. Judas was a believer and will have a resurrection
 

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Revelation is NOT written in chronological order - it employs Hebrew Chiastic Structure. Because we in the West are of a Western mindset - where the climax comes at the end of a story - we fail to recognize that in the East, the climax is reached in the middle of a story with many details yet to be given, but are revealed by repetition and enlargement of the story as it proceeds from the middle to the end. Revelation 21:1 is a concluding remark which is associated with the end of chapter 20. 21:2 begins repeating previously revealed elements of the story with additional details.
"...they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
"If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; ALL FLESH (not just the flesh of the righteous as you suggest) shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust."
100% agree
You're preaching to the choir!
My question has always been what God is going to do with everybody when He burns up the present created Heavens and Earth[/QUOTE] The Second Coming is accompanied by unimaginable destruction but "the end is not yet". Only after the 1,000 years when the Holy City is transported down here, will total destruction and the Lake of Fire set ablaze every thing that is outside the city walls.[/QUOTE]

Very weak, iffy, non-Biblical response

You're stretching things. ALL evidence points to the New Jerusalem coming OUT OF the New Heavens. It then immediately attaches to the New Earth, permanently, as far as we know, and the earth becomes paradise, which doesn't exist now - if it did, it would be burned up. There is no reason for the NJ to come before the New Heavens and New Earth.

A mixed chronological order in Revelation, if not explained or is obvious, MUST be taken as it is written and it is written as AFTER the New Heavens. No place does it say it was before.
 

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So, you know no evil believers? You need to get out more. Judas was a believer and will have a resurrection
Judas was a devil who did not have a genuine living and saving faith in Jesus. John 6:70-71.
 

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In the texts, there is no mention of the concept of hell that Christians dearly cherish.
I don't think that any Christian cherishes the concept of hell. It is just that hell is what the Bible teaches and it is important to every true believer that sound doctrine be established.

Have you considered Isaiah 33:12-14 (kjv)?
 

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I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept the idea that wicked sinners will stand in the sight of our glorified Christ and not be harmed. You know full well the Bible teaches exactly what I'm saying and every single instance when God appeared to men, He had to conceal His glory lest those men would be consumed.

Who said they will be wicked? The earth will be full of righteousness during the one thousand year rulership of the Messiah on this earth,

For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Habakkuk 2:14)

They will neither harm nor destroy on all my set-apart mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20)

And very few will be sinners. Clearly these prophecies are talking about this earth. Not the next earth where sin and death will no longer exist.
 

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The survivors are the righteous that escape the destruction of the wicked - they return to God's kingdom from whence Jesus came for them and remain for the thousand year reign with Him.
It is an indisputable fact that no sinner can stand in the sight of a holy God and live - but you somehow are led to believe that there will be wicked people who will not only stand before Him, but also serve Him in His presence? The High Priest was at risk of dropping dead when he entered the Most Holy Place and directly into the presence of God - so much so that they tied bells to him and a ropes to his feet so that if the bells went silent, they could drag him out by them ----- yet the wicked will not be harmed for 1,000 years? It cannot be.

That is not true, because even evil angels existed and lived in heaven, where the throne of God is. And even when the temple stood on earth previously, the presence of God lived among the Israelites who were stiff necked and evil. The Messiah will live on this earth, among the nations, and will rule them with a rod of iron. And the earth will be full of righteousness, and very few will be sinners.
 

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The only problem I see is your emotional attachment to Israel.

Israel does not exist today, as a nation, in God's eyes. They were set aside in Acts of the Apostles 28:25-28, about 64AD. In 25-27, the curse of Isa 6:9-10 was pronounced upon them for the 7th and last time in the Bible. The Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them in vs 28 and given to the Gentiles. They have no temple and they can't sacrifice animals. Therefore, it's impossible for them to keep the law and therefore impossible to be God's people. Their present situation is prophesied in Hosea 1:9 and 3:4, and in 6:2 they will return after 2 days, 2000 years, about 2064. In Hosea 1:9, they are Loammi, "not My people." Before the present Loammi period, they have had several others, totaling 93 years, including the Babylonian captivity. In each case, they had no temple and couldn't keep the law.

In Acts 28:25, the Greek word translated "departed" is translated as "divorced", or phrases like "put her away", meaning divorce, quite a few times in the OT. I believe that this is where God divorced His Wife, Israel, on the basis of adultery. Also, this will allow Him to remarry the all-Israel Bride, which are the occupants of the all-Israel New Jerusalem, where each tribe has their own gate and there is no Gentile gate..

Jews are essentially Gentiles today as individuals and not as a nation. Salvation comes only by belief in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, just like Gentiles. As I understand it, the Messianic Jews are those that accept Christ as Messiah. That alone is not adequate as it was during Acts. The only saving grace for them today is for them to become full-fledged Christians and believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and raised 3 days later.

Starting at Gen 12, ALL OT prophecy involves Israel in some way. Can you think of any that doesn't? Therefore, since there is no Israel, it is impossible that any OT prophecy has been fulfilled in the last 1900+ years. 1948 was a sham. When the angels locate all the true Israelites around the globe and put them in the land, the world will know it. The map in the link below shows the difference between the land occupied by the fake nation today (red) and the true prophesied return in the future (blue). I know none of those maps are 100% accurate but this gives the general idea.
The Geographic Center of The Earth And The Bible

Here's a quote from an article, called "The Grand Hoax", that sums things up quite well
"The Israeli government, today, is made up of unbelieving Jews administering a socialistic government which depends mostly upon the U.S.A. for its sustenance. When the true descendants of the three Patriarchs occupy the Land, they will depend on the LORD their God, and in no-one else will they trust. They will be totally dependent upon the Lord Jesus Christ. And, He will meet every need of His re-gathered people."

Paul's 7 post-Acts books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon, all are addressed to Gentiles and no Jews are even mentioned, as far as pertaining to the Gentile Church today, except that they and Gentiles are "equal." The word "Abraham" or the phrase "it is written" don't appear in them once Paul's 7 Acts books were all directed to Jews and Gentiles.

So, although there is no smoking gun verse that says, "Israel is not a nation today", there is plenty of evidence, as I related above, to prove that they don't. Also, there is ZERO scriptural evidence that indicates they are still God's people today.

Seems pretty convoluted and arbitrary, everything you just said.
 

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Who said they will be wicked? The earth will be full of righteousness during the one thousand year rulership of the Messiah on this earth,

For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Habakkuk 2:14)

They will neither harm nor destroy on all my set-apart mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Yehovah as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20)

And very few will be sinners. Clearly these prophecies are talking about this earth. Not the next earth where sin and death will no longer exist.

There will be wicked. Only the army of the AC and those of the mark die. All the rest the MK.

Those it die before 100 years of age are wicked. At the close of the MK Satan is released a march is a Jerusalem again with an army.
What did I discard?

That in the MK there still will be evil nations and people.
 

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Remember, 2/3 earth population dies in the trib. Millions more die with the second coming.

So why would avoid saying the earth is full.
 

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There will be wicked. Only the army of the AC and those of the mark die. All the rest the MK.

Those it die before 100 years of age are wicked. At the close of the MK Satan is released a march is a Jerusalem again with an army.


That in the MK there still will be evil nations and people.

I never said there will not be sinners in the thousand year rulership of the Messiah. I said the earth will be mostly righteous, as opposed to now, where the earth is mostly lawless.
 

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So then, why didn't everyone just give up the ghost the moment they saw Jesus when He walked the earth?
His glory was veiled in flesh (John 17:5). That's why He prayed for the Father to glorify Him again as before. When He returns in that glory, sinners will not abide in His presence.
 

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There will be wicked. Only the army of the AC and those of the mark die. All the rest the MK.

Those it die before 100 years of age are wicked. At the close of the MK Satan is released a march is a Jerusalem again with an army.


That in the MK there still will be evil nations and people.
I never said there will not be sinners in the thousand year rulership of the Messiah. I said the earth will be mostly righteous, as opposed to now, where the earth is mostly lawless.

OK, thanks for the clarification. But we don't know if most will be righteous.

Reading the various OT and NT prophecies, there will be a lot of were not righteous.

That point is just is not spelled.

With the temple back and the law in force there will be many just going through the motions just as it did in the OT.
 

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Remember, 2/3 earth population dies in the trib. Millions more die with the second coming.

So why would avoid saying the earth is full.
Two thirds of the population will not die - that is a popular misinterpretation of prophecy. The Churches, Seals, and Trumpets are parallel prophecies that chronicle the time between the 1st and 2nd Advents of Christ.

Jesuit Futurist "gap" theory claims that God had absolutely nothing to tell the church about the time between when Jesus left and will return, which is ridiculous for two reasons:

1. God has no blind spots. He has complete knowledge of the future.
2. God did not withhold from the church details of this period because, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing except He revealeth His secret to His servants the prophets."
 

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Two thirds of the population will not die - that is a popular misinterpretation of prophecy. The Churches, Seals, and Trumpets are parallel prophecies that chronicle the time between the 1st and 2nd Advents of Christ.

Jesuit Futurist "gap" theory claims that God had absolutely nothing to tell the church about the time between when Jesus left and will return, which is ridiculous for two reasons:

1. God has no blind spots. He has complete knowledge of the future.
2. God did not withhold from the church details of this period because, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing except He revealeth His secret to His servants the prophets."

Do the math. I have.
http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/index.php?forums/the-rapture.158/
As for the Church during that time read
http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/index.php?forums/commentaries-by-coreissue.143/
The Rapture andthat
[URL='http://www.christiantalkzone.net/forum/index.php?forums/marriage-super-of-the-lamb.157/']Marriage Super of the Lamb

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I could care less what the Jesuits said. I reject Catholicism, which believes in amillennialism
 

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(Phoneman wrote: The Second Coming is accompanied by unimaginable destruction but "the end is not yet". Only after the 1,000 years when the Holy City is transported down here, will total destruction and the Lake of Fire set ablaze every thing that is outside the city walls.

Very weak, iffy, non-Biblical response
What's weak about it? You're only evidence for the city coming down out of the New Heavens is demanding that the book of Revelation is in chronological order, which ALL SCHOLARS know is not the case:

Verse 1 and 2 says John saw the New Earth and New Heavens from which the city descends.
Verse 5 says that God still has yet to make "all things new".

If you allow the Hebrew Chiastic Structure to remain, then this apparent contradiction is not one at all - it's a non-chronological presentation of future events.

But since you refuse to allow it, the contradiction is inescapable. HOW CAN THERE BE A NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH IN VERSE 1 IF VERSE 5 SAYS GOD HAS YET TO MAKE ALL THINGS NEW?
 

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His glory was veiled in flesh (John 17:5). That's why He prayed for the Father to glorify Him again as before. When He returns in that glory, sinners will not abide in His presence.
In Revelation 20:3 and Revelation 20:8, there are nations on the earth that the devil will not be able to deceive during the millennial reign of Christ.

These will be the descendants of those who survive the Great Trib, as far as I can tell.

So I think that Christ, when He returns, will veil His glory once again, if what you say is true.

btw, even with His glorified body which the disciples beheld after the resurrection, none of them dropped dead at the beholding of it.