Time periods of Daniel and Revelation

Keraz · Nov 25, 2018

The true faithful Christian peoples are deemed to be the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16
His Overcomers; literally the Israelites for the Lord. Those who call themselves Jews will bow before us. Revelation 2:9

Thinking there will be a general redemption for the Jews, contradicts the over 20 prophesies that say they will be decimated in the forthcoming Judgement and only a remnant will survive, to join with their fellow Christian brethren. Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 12:14-16, Isaiah 6:11-13, +

CoreIssue · Nov 25, 2018

Keraz said:
The true faithful Christian peoples are deemed to be the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16
His Overcomers; literally the Israelites for the Lord. Those who call themselves Jews will bow before us. Revelation 2:9

Thinking there will be a general redemption for the Jews, contradicts the over 20 prophesies that say they will be decimated in the forthcoming Judgement and only a remnant will survive, to join with their fellow Christian brethren. Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 12:14-16, Isaiah 6:11-13, +

Spiritually, not physically.

The Bible says when Israel sees Christ at the second coming they will become his redeemed nation.

Keraz · Nov 25, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Spiritually, not physically.

The Bible says when Israel sees Christ at the second coming they will become his redeemed nation.

Yes, exactly those seen by John in Jerusalem, people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 7:9, Revelation 5:9-10
The Israel of God; NOT those who call themselves Jews, but are not.
You just keep on with a Jewish redemption because that must happen, so as you can go to heaven. Don't you realize what an unbelievable notion that is? No one goes to heaven; Jesus said so.
When have you proved you faith? We all must, or we are not true sons of God. Hebrews 12:7-8

ScottA · Nov 25, 2018

CoreIssue said:
The new covenant does not exist yet. It is still future.

The Church does not have a covenant, it has a promise.

This generation refers to the restoration of Israel's nation. It has been fulfilled.

I guess you missed the change from the old to the new covenant:

Hebrews 8:13
"In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

2 Corinthians 3:6
"who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Ephesians 2:12
"that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ."

Stranger · Nov 26, 2018

Keraz said:
The true faithful Christian peoples are deemed to be the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16
His Overcomers; literally the Israelites for the Lord. Those who call themselves Jews will bow before us. Revelation 2:9

Thinking there will be a general redemption for the Jews, contradicts the over 20 prophesies that say they will be decimated in the forthcoming Judgement and only a remnant will survive, to join with their fellow Christian brethren. Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 12:14-16, Isaiah 6:11-13, +

(Gal. 6:14-16) "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ...And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."

The church of the Galatians was a gentile church. Note in (Gal. 6:16) that two groups are spoken of. 1.) "as many as walk according to this rule" 2.) "and upon the Israel of God" The first addresses the Galatians to whom Paul is writing. The second addresses the believing Jews who are the true Israel of God.

In other words, Paul is not addressing the Church as the Israel of God. He is addressing the believing Jews in the Church as the Israel of God. God always has His remnant of believing Jews. These at present are part of the Church. They will span the time from the Cross to the Rapture. After which time God will again be working with the Jews.

Your last statement is a very general one. You need to explain "a general redemption". There are no prophecies that speak to Israel's total destruction. There are plenty of prophecies that speak to how God will never destroy Israel.

When you say there is no general judgement for the Jews, are you speaking of Jews? Of course you are. So where is the line of demarcation? Where does the term Jew and Israel cease to mean Jew or Israel and instead mean the Church?

Stranger

Enoch111 · Nov 26, 2018

ScottA said:
! More "days and months and seasons and years." Galatians 4:10

That pertains to the observation of the holy days of the Old Covenant by New Covenant Christians in order to bring them into bondage: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

However, I do disagree with the observations and calculations of the OP.

ScottA · Nov 26, 2018

Enoch111 said:
That pertains to the observation of the holy days of the Old Covenant by New Covenant Christians in order to bring them into bondage: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16,17)

That was my point. Many Christians continue to keep holy shadows not knowing what has and what has not passed, and not knowing the times.

CoreIssue · Nov 26, 2018

Keraz said:
Yes, exactly those seen by John in Jerusalem, people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 7:9, Revelation 5:9-10
The Israel of God; NOT those who call themselves Jews, but are not.
You just keep on with a Jewish redemption because that must happen, so as you can go to heaven. Don't you realize what an unbelievable notion that is? No one goes to heaven; Jesus said so.
When have you proved you faith? We all must, or we are not true sons of God. Hebrews 12:7-8

So I am a member of a tribe of Israel? Which one?

I don't any Jew saved to go to heaven. I don't need you saved.

Where did Jesus say no one goes to heaven?

Now your pleading works. I have to prove myself to you. No.

I didn't miss anything. Hebrews was written after the resurrection. It says the old covenant was fading away and has.

It did not say the new covenant was in force. But elsewhere in Hebrews it says it was to the houses of Judah and Israel. Not to the Gentiles. Not to the church, which already existed when Hebrews was written.

Second Corinthians said there was no written covenant. Only the spirit.

Ephesians doesn't say a single word about the new covenant.

The Church has neither male or female, Jew or Gentile. Thus eliminates the new covenant since it is with the houses of Israel and Judah, which are physical.

Ephesians again talks about Israel and Gentiles. No new covenant there because it's not with the Gentiles.

You posted your own disproofs for what you claim.

ScottA said:
That was my point. Many Christians continue to keep holy shadows not knowing what has and what has not passed, and not knowing the times.

They also celebrate such as Easter, Christmas, Ash Wednesday, etc believing those are Christian holy days.

ScottA · Nov 26, 2018

CoreIssue said:
They also celebrate such as Easter, Christmas, Ash Wednesday, etc believing those are Christian holy days.

Yes, but these are not a problem, as there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Those holidays are captured territory...Christ has overcome the world. This is the work of the fathers of the church who took them from the enemy, to their credit. These, if they are done in celebration and remembrance of Christ, are no sin, but to His glory.

CoreIssue · Nov 26, 2018

ScottA said:
Yes, but these are not a problem, as there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Those holidays are captured territory...Christ has overcome the world. This is the work of the fathers of the church who took them from the enemy, to their credit. These, if they are done in celebration and remembrance of Christ, are no sin, but to His glory.

They are a problem, not salvation but sanctification.

This is not taking from the enemy, it is distorting the truth. The Bible says no more holy days but we have these to deal with.

Yes it is a work of the fathers, the fathers of Catholicism.

ScottA · Nov 26, 2018

CoreIssue said:
They are a problem, not salvation but sanctification.

This is not taking from the enemy, it is distorting the truth. The Bible says no more holy days but we have these to deal with.

Yes it is a work of the fathers, the fathers of Catholicism.

You may as well say that Christ has not overcome the world. And yet He has.

And because He has, we know that these times are not subject to the enemy, but to Christ, whom has made us kings and priests under His reign. Which is why I said, many do not know the times.

CoreIssue · Nov 26, 2018

ScottA said:
You may as well say that Christ has not overcome the world. And yet He has.

And because He has, we know that these times are not subject to the enemy, but to Christ, whom has made us kings and priests under His reign. Which is why I said, many do not know the times.

Christ has overcome, but the church has not, yet.

We have been given free will and Christ will not turn us into Calvinistic robots.

Because Christ delay somethings does not diminish him. It means he respects and will carry out his plan.

ScottA · Nov 26, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Christ has overcome, but the church has not, yet.

We have been given free will and Christ will not turn us into Calvinistic robots.

Because Christ delay somethings does not diminish him. It means he respects and will carry out his plan.

I was going to ask where you got that first comment...because it is not biblical. But I see from your next comment that it is rooted in your own prejudices. You should deal with that first.

Keraz · Nov 29, 2018

Stranger said:
When you say there is no general judgement for the Jews, are you speaking of Jews? Of course you are. So where is the line of demarcation? Where does the term Jew and Israel cease to mean Jew or Israel and instead mean the Church?

Firstly, there is much controversy about Galatians 6:16. But when the context is taken into account, actually the entire teachings of the New Testament, then it becomes clear that the Israel of God is every person who has Overcome Satan for God. That is the literal meaning of the word 'Israel'. We see those people in each of the 7 churchs of Revelation; His Victorious ones.
There is only 2 kinds of people on earth; those who belong to God, by their faith and obedience and the godless masses.

Jesus was more critical of the Jews than anyone. The Israel they represent is no longer the Israel of God. They forfeited the Kingdom, Matthew 21:43 and they are discarded as the chosen race; Matthew 8:12
Luke 12:32 Have no fear, little flock; for your Father has chosen to give you the Kingdom.

Until you and all who have believed false teachings, realize that the Jews are just as much in need of the Salvation offered by Jesus, as anyone; then you will be just in the dark about what God actually does plan for His people in the end times.

Stranger · Nov 29, 2018

Keraz said:
Firstly, there is much controversy about Galatians 6:16. But when the context is taken into account, actually the entire teachings of the New Testament, then it becomes clear that the Israel of God is every person who has Overcome Satan for God. That is the literal meaning of the word 'Israel'. We see those people in each of the 7 churchs of Revelation; His Victorious ones.
There is only 2 kinds of people on earth; those who belong to God, by their faith and obedience and the godless masses.

Jesus was more critical of the Jews than anyone. The Israel they represent is no longer the Israel of God. They forfeited the Kingdom, Matthew 21:43 and they are discarded as the chosen race; Matthew 8:12
Luke 12:32 Have no fear, little flock; for your Father has chosen to give you the Kingdom.

Until you and all who have believed false teachings, realize that the Jews are just as much in need of the Salvation offered by Jesus, as anyone; then you will be just in the dark about what God actually does plan for His people in the end times.

Funny, you didn't say there was any controversy when you said the 'Israel of God' is the Church. Actually, just the opposite is true. When you take the context into account along with the whole Bible, you will see that Israel is Israel, and the Church is the Church. Only by your spiritualizing methods of interpretation can Israel be made out to be the Church.

The Kingdom was taken from Israel...for a time. God has never completely forsaken Israel. And His promises to them are forever. They will once again receive the Kingdom of God. If that is not so, then God has lied. And God doesn't lie.

Stranger

Keraz · Nov 30, 2018

Stranger said:
And God doesn't lie.

No, it is the Jews that lie. Revelation 2:9

The Israelites that God will redeem, are His faithful Christian people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, all born again Christians. There is only One people of God, ethnicity has no value or significance to God. Thinking otherwise is a contradiction of scripture.

Stranger · Nov 30, 2018

Keraz said:
No, it is the Jews that lie. Revelation 2:9

The Israelites that God will redeem, are His faithful Christian people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, all born again Christians. There is only One people of God, ethnicity has no value or significance to God. Thinking otherwise is a contradiction of scripture.

Yes, the Jews lie at this time as they are still under the judgement of God. That doesn't mean God will not fulfill His promises to them that He gave them in the Abrahamic Covenant.

Believing Jews today, are part of the Church. They are the Israel of God that span the time from the cross to the Rapture. This doesn't mean God will not fulfill His promise to them that He gave them in the Abrahamic Covenant.

Stranger

Keraz · Nov 30, 2018

Stranger said:
Yes, the Jews lie at this time as they are still under the judgement of God. That doesn't mean God will not fulfill His promises to them that He gave them in the Abrahamic Covenant.

Believing Jews today, are part of the Church. They are the Israel of God that span the time from the cross to the Rapture. This doesn't mean God will not fulfill His promise to them that He gave them in the Abrahamic Covenant.

Stranger

You blithely mention 'rapture', as though such a thing will happen.
I know the Bible very well and I can't find anywhere in it where it says that God will take His people; the Church to heaven.

Many scriptures tell of how He will protect His own during the tough time ahead, but never remove them. So you basic premise is wrong and the New Testament is clear; there is only one people of God, His chosen ones - the born again Christians. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10, +
The Jews have their chance now; and there will be a remnant saved who have become Christian now. But over 20 prophesies tell of their forthcoming decimation.

Your opinions count for nothing. If you have a belief, do not post it unless you have scriptural proof

Stranger · Nov 30, 2018

Keraz said:
You blithely mention 'rapture', as though such a thing will happen.
I know the Bible very well and I can't find anywhere in it where it says that God will take His people; the Church to heaven.

Many scriptures tell of how He will protect His own during the tough time ahead, but never remove them. So you basic premise is wrong and the New Testament is clear; there is only one people of God, His chosen ones - the born again Christians. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10, +
The Jews have their chance now; and there will be a remnant saved who have become Christian now. But over 20 prophesies tell of their forthcoming decimation.

Your opinions count for nothing. If you have a belief, do not post it unless you have scriptural proof

You can't find anything on the Rapture because you are dead set against any Rapture. You are looking for reasons to disbelieve, not believe. (1 Thess. 4:13-17) (1 Cor. 15:51-53)

Are you the ony one who knows the Bible well?

Of course God will protect His own during the Tribulation period. So? His own at that time is not the Church.

There are plenty of promises of God that speak to God never forsaking completely the nation of Israel. You reject those. Why? Is God lying?

Oh please, you hurt my feelings. I will post my belief, and you see if you can force Scripture to disprove it. How is that?

Stranger

Keraz · Nov 30, 2018

Stranger said:
You can't find anything on the Rapture because you are dead set against any Rapture. You are looking for reasons to disbelieve, not believe. (1 Thess. 4:13-17) (1 Cor. 15:51-53)

Obviously you can't find any scriptural proof for your fanciful notions.

Stranger said:
Are you the ony one who knows the Bible well?

No, but I am shocked by the nonsense that the Commentators say about the prophesies and to rely on what the 'highly qualified' scholars say, is to believe error. Jesus said: I Thank you Father for hiding these things from the wise and educated and giving them to the simple and uneducated. Matthew 11:25

Stranger said:
Of course God will protect His own during the Tribulation period. So? His own at that time is not the Church.

His people are every born again Christian, all who call upon His Name. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 They will be protected during His terrible Day of wrath.

Stranger said:
There are plenty of promises of God that speak to God never forsaking completely the nation of Israel. You reject those. Why? Is God lying?

Please do not cast aspersions toward God.
He will not forsake His own people, they are His Israelites, literally His Overcomers and Victorious ones.
If you think God still loves the Jews, you are wrong; they forsook Him and even cursed themselves. Matthew 27:25

Stranger said:
I will post my belief, and you see if you can force Scripture to disprove it. How is that?

You have already tried and failed miserably to find anywhere in scripture where it says God will take His people to heaven.
Assumptions and guesswork don't cut it.

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