For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this

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I did allow for that in what I posted...the chances of being led astray become less in that the prophecies are to be judged by the other prophets who are present in the meeting...and every prophet is of course to be judged by the standard of the Bible...which means that if something is predicted that doesn't come to pass, that prophet isn't of the Lord...except in the case that the prophet prophesies judgment and the people repent so that God does not bring the judgment that would have come had they not repented.

The fact is people can be led astray by any teaching, whether it's a prophetic word or not. We all have to be like the Bereans and test EVERYTHING we hear by comparing it to scripture. I've heard many an unscriptural statement from teachers of all sorts--Calvinist, Baptist, and the list goes on.
 
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The fact is people can be led astray by any teaching, whether it's a prophetic word or not. We all have to be like the Bereans and test EVERYTHING we hear by comparing it to scripture. I've heard many an unscriptural statement from teachers of all sorts--Calvinist, Baptist, and the list goes on.
Yes indeed...1 Thessalonians 5:19-21.
 
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Nice try, but this is your dodge, not mine.

It was you who claimed that no prophets and prophecy have occurred after John/Jesus' command/warning/curse in the book ("this book") of Revelation.

But to answer your question: John/Jesus' identification of "this book" as being the limit to the command/warning/curse context, makes void your claim. It means that the many references from Joel to Paul of the gift of prophecy during these times are not void, but stand, just as they were written.

It's their word against yours.
Waiting for the Revelation of Jesus Christ who shall ALSO confirm you until the end is not the return of Christ. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ written by John. That they were to stop seeking the gifts.
 

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Waiting for the Revelation of Jesus Christ who shall ALSO confirm you until the end is not the return of Christ. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ written by John. That they were to stop seeking the gifts.
That is just your interpretation of you going against the rest of scripture. It doesn't wash with the complete word of God.
 
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That is not a forum that I would want to be a part of...it is in our divine right to freedom of speech that every minister has the right to preach.

I do not mind others sharing what they think of my preaching in a public manner; but preaching is not to be forbidden in any forum that I would term godly and of the Lord.



I am praying that it will get better...that revival will come!

Instead of being a naysayer on this, maybe you should join the movement and pray for revival yourself! (on a regular basis).

You have no divine right to preach.

You have no legal right to just say whatever you want on the Internet and someone else's site.

You have no legal right to stand on the corner in a city and preach.

I repeat, I allow people to say what they wish as long as they are not being profane, personally insulting to others and answered questions when asked.

There are a lot of cults out there that just want to run off at the mouth using someone else's property to propagate their lies. Many even come on the side pasting material in volume.

So again, you better rethink your rights both from a biblical and a legal perspective.

Pray all you want it will get better, but the Bible says it will not.

Telling the truth is not being a naysayer.
You are talking about the things of men, but the subject here is the things of God, the words of God. Which are not defined by whom ever comes along and makes a better case than the majority. On the contrary, that is the opposite of how God works. So, a list of fools only hears what they want, and then it becomes their folly.

That is the absolute brilliance of the scriptures...hermeneutics works both for or against the truth, which can only be discerned spiritually.

And of course you know this by personal revelation of God to you.
 

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ALSO is a huge word not to be overlooked.
You are mis-quoting / misunderstanding that verse.

Paul is NOT drawing a line in the sand on spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 1 - he is extending them "to the end." Yes, that "also." Which is exactly the opposite of what you have been saying.

But thanks for pointing it out.
 
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You are mis-quoting / misunderstanding that verse.

Paul is NOT drawing a line in the sand on spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 1 - he is extending them "to the end." Yes, that "also." Which is exactly the opposite of what you have been saying.

But thanks for pointing it out.
It still ties in with tongues and prophecy ending while love and faith (not needed in heaven) remain.
 

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And of course you know this by personal revelation of God to you.
God has chosen many individuals to reveal His truth, not because of their own good character, but rather for His own good purpose. Do you have a problem with that?
 

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In a real sense all Christians who are alive in the Spirit are prophets of the coming of Christ...both in the spiritual sense AND in the coming parousia.

To deny this is to remove the truth of the incarnation in regards to God's people.
 

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It still ties in with tongues and prophecy ending while love and faith (not needed in heaven) remain.
No, he doesn't say that at all. Obviously, you are just off on a tangent.
 
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No, he doesn't say that at all. Obviously, you are just off on a tangent.
Paul says whenever perfection comes, faith, hope and love would remain (1 Corinthians 13:13) and tongues, prophecy will cease (1 Corinthians 13:8). If as you say, prophecy, tongues and interpretation remain until the end of the world, Paul's comparison is meaningless. So Paul inferred tongues would stop sometime before Christ’s return on the last day, when hope and faith find fulfillment in the new world and love remains.
 

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In a real sense all Christians who are alive in the Spirit are prophets of the coming of Christ...both in the spiritual sense AND in the coming parousia.

To deny this is to remove the truth of the incarnation in regards to God's people.
You seem to be steeped in some kind of Gnosticism. *All Christians are prophets... in the spiritual sense*????? You won't find that fantasy in Scripture.

And what is the parousia ("coming"), since this term applies BOTH to the coming of Christ at the Rapture as well as at the Second Coming. Parousia must be understood in context.

"So, the Parousia is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and you have to look at the context to determine whether it refers to His appearing in the air to rapture or catch away the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), or whether it refers to His second coming to Earth to setup His millennial kingdom (Matthew 24-25; Revelation 19:11ff; 20:4-6)."
What is the Parousia?

And what is *the truth of the incarnation in regard's to God's people*? The incarnation applies to just ONE PERSON -- the Lord Jesus Christ -- who is eternal God and became Man.

 

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It still ties in with tongues and prophecy ending while love and faith (not needed in heaven) remain.
If yes means no in your book...you got the wrong book.
 

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Paul says whenever perfection comes, faith, hope and love would remain (1 Corinthians 13:13) and tongues, prophecy will cease (1 Corinthians 13:8). If as you say, prophecy, tongues and interpretation remain until the end of the world, Paul's comparison is meaningless. So Paul inferred tongues would stop sometime before Christ’s return on the last day, when hope and faith find fulfillment in the new world and love remains.
Yes, but you are drawing your own line of transition...which is a good point, and worthy of discussion. But he does not say that prophecy, etc. are over until "the end."

But it is good to hear you coming to this point, because it may mean we are making progress.

Which, if we can discuss it...if you can even go there with this mental block toward the Spirit...then what Paul is saying rather, because he also says the gifts are given for these times...its that the end has come - if you can receive it, and yet for those who cannot receive it, for their sake the gifts continue. It is this transitional point that has you confused. You are saying that the end has come, before your yourself have received it.

But that is way deeper water than we should be going into since you have disavowed any spiritual gifts during these times against the greater word of God. And you are not reconciling all the word, but have singled out only that which you have received, rejecting the rest. Those with such convictions should not teach or preach.
 
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You have no divine right to preach.

So says the devil. Actually, I have a divine mandate to preach (Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15)...so if I do not have the divine right to do so, then God has required me to do something, and also has not given me the liberty to do it!

See also Psalms 94:20, Acts of the Apostles 4:19-20, Acts of the Apostles 5:29. When it comes to preaching the gospel, we are told to do it even if the authorities forbid it; because it is our divine right that government cannot take away from us.

Pray all you want it will get better, but the Bible says it will not.

Telling the truth is not being a naysayer.

You are assuming that the events in the Book of Revelation are right around the corner.

I am of the opinion that we are in a church age that has a name that it is alive, with the Great Awakenings of the 1800's and the revivals of the 1900's...but that the age of Philadelphia (the real Great Awakening) may indeed be right around the corner, rather than the doom and gloom of what is spoken of later in the book.

Iow, it is not impossible that the Lord would bring a revival before the coming of the dreadful day of the Lord....as a matter of fact, I see a great multitude of people dressed in white, who come out of great tribulation, spoken of in the book...so the mighty revival that has been prophesied can happen even in the midst of the events of the book of Revelation!
 
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You have no divine right to preach.

You have no legal right to just say whatever you want on the Internet and someone else's site.

You have no legal right to stand on the corner in a city and preach.

I repeat, I allow people to say what they wish as long as they are not being profane, personally insulting to others and answered questions when asked.

There are a lot of cults out there that just want to run off at the mouth using someone else's property to propagate their lies. Many even come on the side pasting material in volume.

So again, you better rethink your rights both from a biblical and a legal perspective.

Pray all you want it will get better, but the Bible says it will not.

Telling the truth is not being a naysayer.


And of course you know this by personal revelation of God to you.
A word for the moderators of a different message board.
 

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So says the devil. Actually, I have a divine mandate to preach (Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15)...so if I do not have the divine right to do so, then God has required me to do something, and also has not given me the liberty to do it!



You are assuming that the events in the Book of Revelation are right around the corner.

I am of the opinion that we are in a church age that has a name that it is alive, with the Great Awakenings of the 1800's and the revivals of the 1900's...but that the age of Philadelphia (the real Great Awakening) may indeed be right around the corner, rather than the doom and gloom of what is spoken of later in the book.

Iow, it is not impossible that the Lord would bring a revival before the coming of the dreadful day of the Lord....as a matter of fact, I see a great multitude of people dressed in white, who come out of great tribulation, spoken of in the book...so the mighty revival that has been prophesied can happen even in the midst of the events of the book of Revelation!

Yes we are to share the gospel and try to win people to Christ.

But at the same time we have an obligation to obey the law. The apostles never violated the property rights of others.

The times you're talking about was when a lot of cults arose. Mormonism, Jehovah witness, radical Pentecostalism and the utopian societies, in example.

I studied all this. What you are calling revival wasn't.