Tongues?

The spiritual gifts(1 Cor. 12:8-10) are for every one that are baptized with the Holy Spirit. Paul is talking about ministry gifts as I tried to explain in another post.As I understand, Ministry gifts and spiritual gifts are different. Those called into the ministry manifest the spiritual.Ministry gifts are those that are called in the body of Christ to the ministy.(eph. 4:11,12 -Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors,Teachers) 1 Corinthians 12:27-28 are speaking of ministry gifts (apostles, prophets, teachers are not listed in the spiritual gifts) But he list them different here....1.Apostles2.Prophets3.teachersafter this ......4.Miracles,Healings(miracles and the gifts of healing represent the evangelist-Phillip is our example of an evangelist..Acts 8:5-7;21:8) helps is listed because they assist those called to the ministry. 5.governments (represents the office of the pastor-he governs or shepherds the local body)6. diversities of tongues-this gift is listed among the ministry gift because it is different than speaking in tongues when you are filled with the Holy Spirit.THIS IS WHY THE QUESTION IS ASKED ARE ALL (CALLED) TO BE AN APOSTLE-NO! ARE ALL(CALLED) TEACHERS-NO! DO ALL(CALLED)TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES-NO! We are not are called into the ministry(public), but we can all speak with tongues.Read all the scriptures when people spoke in tongues...did it say some spoke and some did not..NO! they all spoke when filled with the Spirit.

[email protected] have several questions but I will address a few at a time.First of all do you believe that true called preachers speak as God gives them the words to say? Are you saying that Satan and his demon are not here now?Are you saying that the gift of tongues mentioned in 1 Cor. is a learned language? If so why do you need the Holy Spirit if it can be learned by anyone?I have more questions, but this is enough for now.

(setfree;48215)
The spiritual gifts(1 Cor. 12:8-10) are for every one that are baptized with the Holy Spirit. Paul is talking about ministry gifts as I tried to explain in another post.As I understand, Ministry gifts and spiritual gifts are different. Those called into the ministry manifest the spiritual.Ministry gifts are those that are called in the body of Christ to the ministy.(eph. 4:11,12 -Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors,Teachers) 1 Corinthians 12:27-28 are speaking of ministry gifts (apostles, prophets, teachers are not listed in the spiritual gifts) But he list them different here....1.Apostles2.Prophets3.teachersafter this ......4.Miracles,Healings(miracles and the gifts of healing represent the evangelist-Phillip is our example of an evangelist..Acts 8:5-7;21:8) helps is listed because they assist those called to the ministry. 5.governments (represents the office of the pastor-he governs or shepherds the local body)6. diversities of tongues-this gift is listed among the ministry gift because it is different than speaking in tongues when you are filled with the Holy Spirit.THIS IS WHY THE QUESTION IS ASKED ARE ALL (CALLED) TO BE AN APOSTLE-NO! ARE ALL(CALLED) TEACHERS-NO! DO ALL(CALLED)TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES-NO! We are not are called into the ministry(public), but we can all speak with tongues.Read all the scriptures when people spoke in tongues...did it say some spoke and some did not..NO! they all spoke when filled with the Spirit.
There is no special baptism everyone who is baptised gets the same thing your conclusion that its for evangelists? The apostles did receive it, there was no large number of people, christianity was a small group in a limited area the gifts were for forming the church Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.This is nothing but the order of the church body it does not say that apostels or prophets teachers didnt receive gifts to form the church the gift of natrual human languages and other gifts were given as signs so that NON- Belivers would see that God was indeed is real it had nothing to do with babbling gibberish.

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There is no special baptism everyone who is baptised gets the same thing your conclusion that its for evangelists? The apostles did receive it, there was no large number of people, christianity was a small group in a limited area the gifts were for forming the church every conclusion you draw here is not what is said Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.This is nothing but the order of the church body it does not say that apostels or prophets teachers didnt receive gifts to form the church that is your speculation thru the glassesof a fixed agenda
Kriss where did I say there was a special baptism? I named one baptism!Show me in scripture where those that spoke in tongues only a few were chosen?Please quit putting words in my post. If you would read my post, instead of nit picking them, you would read that my first sentence tell that all that are baptized with the Holy Spirit recieves the gifts....this includes teachers, apostles, prophets.

Yes one baptism every one recieves the holy spirt how many were there that recieved the gift of speaking forgein languages I believe the number was around 120 the was no large church christianity was just getting started this was what the gifts were for nothing here says anything about praying in unknown tounge. You can pray in whatever tounge you feel led but the gifts were not about any unknown prayer language

At the same time, if the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God's Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command that God gave through the Apostle Paul, "If anyone speaks in a tongue, two — or at the most three — should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God" (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in submission to 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”God most definitely can give a person the gift of speaking in tongues to enable him/her to communicate with a person who speaks another language. The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the dispersion of the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:11). Just imagine how much more productive missionaries could be if they didn’t have to go to language school, and were instantly able to speak to people in their own language. However, God does not seem to be doing this. Tongues does not seem to occur today in the form it did in the New Testament despite the fact that it would be immensely useful. The vast majority of believers who claim to practice the gift of speaking in tongues do not do so in agreement with the Scriptures mentioned above. These facts lead to the conclusion that the gift of tongues has ceased, or is at least a rarity in God's plan for the church today.

71What, then, does Paul mean when he says, “I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all” (1 Cor. 14:18)? Does it mean that Paul prayed in tongues in private more than anyone else? No. Paul spoke in tongues more than anyone else because he was constantly preaching the gospel in new areas with different languages and dialects. Thus, Paul, like the apostles in Acts 2, needed the gift of tongues as a sign to unbelievers (cf. 1 Cor. 14:22). If Paul had to learn a new language and/or dialect every time he went to a different province or country, the progress of the gospel would have been greatly delayed.73Another passage which disproves the idea that tongues can be gibberish or unstructured babbling is 1 Corinthians 12:10: “to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.” Gromacki writes: “Paul designated the gift of tongues as gene glossen, translated as “kinds of tongues” (1 Cor. 12:28). This term genos refers to family, offspring, race, nation, kind, sort, and class in New Testament usage. It always designates items which are related to each other. There are many “kinds” of fish (Mt. 13:47) but they are all fish. There are several “kinds” of demons in the world (Mt. 17:21), but they are still demons. There are many “kinds” of voices (1 Cor. 14:10), but they are all voices. From this it can be concluded that there are many “kinds” of languages, but they are all languages. There are several families of languages in the world–Semitic, Slavic, Latin, etc. These are all related, in that they have a definite vocabulary and grammatical construction. Paul could not have possibly combined known, foreign languages with unknown, ecstatic utterances under the same classification. They simply are not related to each other.” (The Modern Tongues Movement, 62). Thus, if there were two completely different tongue types–known languages on the one hand, and ecstatic, babbling, private-prayer language on the other hand, as many Charismatic s assert–then the Holy Spirit who cannot lie would not have used the word genos to describe tongues in 1 Corinthians chapter twelve. Further, Hodge adds, “If the meaning of the phrase is thus historically and philologically determined for Acts and Mark, it must also be determined for the Epistle to the Corinthians” (I & II Corinthians, 248). In other words once the term “tongues” is carefully defined in the book of Acts, one should not expect Paul to radically redefine the term or add an additional meaning. If the apostle did add an additional radically different meaning in 1 Corinthians as Charismatics assert, then there should be evidence for such a change. As we have seen, the use of glosseis in 1 Corinthians is totally consistent with the usage in Acts.

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At the same time, if the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God's Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command that God gave through the Apostle Paul, "If anyone speaks in a tongue, two — or at the most three — should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God" (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in submission to 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”God most definitely can give a person the gift of speaking in tongues to enable him/her to communicate with a person who speaks another language. The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the dispersion of the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:11). Just imagine how much more productive missionaries could be if they didn’t have to go to language school, and were instantly able to speak to people in their own language. However, God does not seem to be doing this. Tongues does not seem to occur today in the form it did in the New Testament despite the fact that it would be immensely useful. The vast majority of believers who claim to practice the gift of speaking in tongues do not do so in agreement with the Scriptures mentioned above. These facts lead to the conclusion that the gift of tongues has ceased, or is at least a rarity in God's plan for the church today.
The gift of tongues are active today!!I agree in the languages that can be interpreted by someone that has the gift to interpret.I disagree in that its sole purpose is to communicate God's word. I believe it is also used to magnify and praise (prayer). The command that God gave Paul again was to the church this is in a public setting and it is to do with the ministry not the tongues that everyone recieves.I agree, in a church setting it should be without confusion. There are a lot of other things that go on in a church that causes confusion other than tongues today.The reason that missionaries do not speak in tongues to spread preach the word...the reason that they learn a languge is because this is not the same as the gift of tongues. Tongues came the day of Pentecost and they are still here today! your conclusion does not prove that they ceased. If they have then so has prophecy and knowledge.(1 Cor. 13:8)

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RaddSpencerYou are welcome,now let me ask you a question,have you ever heard someone speak in tongues that was then interpreted?
So anyway, I would like to hear more from you about other issues. I really do appreciate your input; However, I agree with Wakka, and, ultimately, I am bored with this topic.

Thats fine setfree You can believe how you like I have no issue with your belief I have said this a thousand times but your belief is not the the gifts spoke of in scripture

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Thats fine setfree You can believe how you like I have no issue with your belief I have said this a thousand times but your belief is not the the gifts spoke of in scripture
you mentioned tongues are not for today, is this your belief?

The so called Tongues of Today are not the same as the BiblesFirst century.................................................... Today Spoke a known language. Acts 2:8.......................Today don't even claim to use known language. Were understood. Acts 2:6; I Cor. 14:19......... ....Don't claim to understand today. Confirmed the word. Acts 10:46;Heb. 2:3-4.............don't accept confirmed word today. Spoke by turn. I Cor. 14:27.............. ....................All speak together today in Mass confusion. No interpreter? - Silence. I Cor. 14:28 .......................not interpreted today. Sign to unbelievers. I Cor. 14:22.............................Used today for excitement and prayer. Spirit subject to speaker. I Cor. 14:26-31..................... getting a revelation. Spoke to profit the church I Cor. 14:6 .......................... profit self today. Prayed for interpretation. I Cor. 14:13........................ Today - pray for tongue speaking. Spoke to instruct. I Cor.14:13....................................- no instruction. Spoke to benefit hearers. I Cor. 14:9............................. Benefit in glory of speaker. Interpret so unlearned understand.; 1 Cor. 14:16........... .....Interpretation not done today. No accusation of madness. I Cor. 14:23..............................Today confusion No confusion allowed. I Cor. 14:33................. ......................Today, causes in confusion. Holy Spirit Baptism audible. No mistake in knowing H. S. came upon them. Acts 2:2............ No audiablity today. Purpose of the gifts Bible......................................................................Modern To confirm god's word........................................ word confirms gifts Bring About Unity Of Faith.................................. .........DivisionMiracles ........................................................................common place Bible.................................................................. modern Person Healed Known By All Acts 3:10.............................. Person Often Unknown Miracle Known By Miracle (Obvious)......................... Miracle Accepted By Personal Testimony Even Enemies Accepted Acts 4:16..................... Highly Questionable, Always Internal and unseen Real Human Language Acts 2:8................................. No language Max Of 3 In Church 1 Cor 14:27.......................................More Than 3 Speak (visitors view as madness) Each Must Speak In Turn 14:27..........................................Many Speak Simultaneously If No Interpreter Keep Silent 14:28........................................Rarely Any "Interpreter" Only One Interpretation Possible............................................ Often Interpretations Vary Emphasis On Public Demonstration........................................... Emphasis On Private Devotion Considered a gift of lesser importance 14:5.....................................Stressed As A Sign Of Spirituality A Sign To Unbelievers 14:22.............................................................A Sign To Believers

Because tongue-speaking comes without conscious effort and cannot be understood, it has often been confused for divine intervention in religion. This was true for ancient paganism. Ecstatic utterances were used in the Greek oracles and in the ancient mystery religions. Even today in Rhodesia there is a sect known as the Apostles' Church which combines certain elements of Christianity with the traditional pagan practices. Tongue speaking is a part of their ceremony. Spiritualists use the tongue-speaking phenomenon in their claim to communicate with the dead. Mormons have always had tongue speaking as a part of their religious expression. It is thought for them to be a confirmation of the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and other documents which came from Joseph Smith. The most common expression of tongue speaking until recent years was in Pentecostalism which arose around 1900 and developed into a number of denominations. In the early 1960's neo- Pentecostalism began in Van Nuys, California, and has spread rapidly through the traditional existing religious organizations. It has become very popular, and has divided a number of Protestant churches. The fact that the tongue-speaking experience is found in false and contradictory religions would indicate that its source is not from God but is a human experience confused for divine intervention. The fact that the same experience is known in all religions, ancient and modern, Christian and pagan, and sometimes outside the religious experience altogether would indicate that its source is not from God. The fact that it can be learned and imitated would indicate that it is not a miracle. The New Testament gift of tongues is a miracle and consists of speaking in human languages that the speaker, had not known or learned by natural means. Contemporary tongue speaking must not be confused with the New Testament gift of tongues. One is a human phenomenon; the other a divine miracle. One is common to all religions, ancient and modern; the other is unique to the church in the first century. One is irrational, ecstatic utterances; the other is human language. One can be imitated and learned; the other is a miracle from God. There is nothing wrong with the phenomenon of giving forth ecstatic utterances,if your faith allows it but it is error when it is confused with the New Testament gift of tongues. Ecstatic, automatic speech can bring forth a release of tension and can be therapeutic, but when it is substituted for rational, religious expression, it is a delusion. Paul was no doubt talking about such a phenomenon as contemporary tongue speaking when he wrote in I Corinthians 12:2, about pagans, "You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the dumb idols, however you were led." John was no doubt speaking of counterfeits of miracles when he wrote in I John 4:1, "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits to see if they be from God." One major purpose for tongues was to serve as a sign to unbelieving Jews - a problem that was eliminated with the destruction of the Temple and Judaism as a religion in AD 70 by Rome - cp. 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (it was a testimony against those who had rejected Christ Jesus.) Tongue speaking today is not of God, it is of man.J. Hurt, Steve Rudd

I responded to your post in yellow....First century........................................... ......... Today Spoke a known language. Acts 2:8...........Today don't even claim to use known language.(not all claim this) Were understood. Acts 2:6; I Cor. 14:19......... ....Don't claim to understand today. (with an interpreter it can be understood)Confirmed the word. Acts 10:46;Heb. 2:3-4.............don't accept confirmed word today.(Acts 10 speaks of magnify-praise,celebrate; Heb.-I do not see where you connect this with tongues) Spoke by turn. I Cor. 14:27.............. ....................All speak together today in Mass confusion. (not all)No interpreter? - Silence. I Cor. 14:28 .......................not interpreted today.(Notice that if there is not an interpreter, they are TO SPEAK TO GOD) Sign to unbelievers. I Cor. 14:22.............................Used today for excitement and prayer.(You judge all by the abuse of it)Spirit subject to speaker. I Cor. 14:26-31..................... getting a revelation. (this is speaking of believers can control it, not speaking out with confusion)(also in the last days we will see visions)Spoke to profit the church I Cor. 14:6 .......................... profit self today.(In the church it should be done in order/with interpretation)(prayer strengthens our faith-therefore it builds us up/this is not a bad thing)Prayed for interpretation. I Cor. 14:13........................ Today - pray for tongue speaking.(not all pray to speak in tongues, but it does say to desire spiritual)Spoke to instruct. I Cor.14:13....................................- no instruction. ( This scripture speaks of interpretation, again in church setting)Spoke to benefit hearers. I Cor. 14:9............................. Benefit in glory of speaker.(If it is done correctly, God will get the glory!)Interpret so unlearned understand.; 1 Cor. 14:16........... .....Interpretation not done today. (again you judge the wrong practice and say tongues is wrong)No accusation of madness. I Cor. 14:23..............................Today confusion (He is correcting them, the rest of the chapter tells the right way to use tongues)No confusion allowed. I Cor. 14:33................. ......................Today, causes in confusion.(but if done correctly, it brings edification to the church and builds up your faith)Holy Spirit Baptism audible. No mistake in knowing H. S. came upon them. Acts 2:2............ No audiablity today. (Are you saying there should be evidence of the H.S?)Purpose of the gifts Bible............................................. .........................Modern To confirm god's word........................................ word confirms gifts (The gifts are to profit all-edify, exhort, comfort)Bring About Unity Of Faith.................................. .........Division (There is more things than the gifts that bring division, so everything in the church that brings division you are going to claim it is done away with?)Miracles .................................................. ..................common place(Jesus did not do miracles where they did not believe) Bible............................................. ..................... modern Person Healed Known By All Acts 3:10.............................. Person Often Unknown(there is a lot of stuff that goes on in the war that is good, we might never hear of it..does that mean it does not exist) Miracle Known By Miracle (Obvious)......................... Miracle Accepted By Personal Testimony (don’t understand what you are saying here)Even Enemies Accepted Acts 4:16..................... Highly Questionable, Always Internal and unseen (so we continue not to believe…..shame..)Real Human Language Acts 2:8................................. No language (Do you know all the languages?)Max Of 3 In Church 1 Cor 14:27.......................................More Than 3 Speak (visitors view as madness) (again correction is taken place)Each Must Speak In Turn 14:27..........................................Man y Speak Simultaneously(This is again in public setting/but just because they practice wrong does not mean the right does not exist) If No Interpreter Keep Silent 14:28........................................Rarel y Any "Interpreter" (The only experience I know, there has been interpretation)Only One Interpretation Possible.......................................... .. Often Interpretations Vary(again people doing wrong does not mean the right is not for today) Emphasis On Public Demonstration..................................... ...... Emphasis On Private Devotion(1Cor. 14: 28 tell you to keep silence in the church..if there is not an interpreter and speak to God)Considered a gift of lesser importance 14:5.....................................Stressed As A Sign Of Spirituality (we are to desire spiritual 1 Cor.14:1)A Sign To Unbelievers 14:22............................................. ................A Sign To Believers (In a service if someone speaks in tongues and some interprets it, an unbeliever hears the interpretation and it is a message for him…I believe it would get my attention/ In church as a believer, someone else speaking in tongues can not help me believe…because I already do!)

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Because tongue-speaking comes without conscious effort and cannot be understood, it has often been confused for divine intervention in religion. This was true for ancient paganism. Ecstatic utterances were used in the Greek oracles and in the ancient mystery religions. Even today in Rhodesia there is a sect known as the Apostles' Church which combines certain elements of Christianity with the traditional pagan practices. Tongue speaking is a part of their ceremony. Spiritualists use the tongue-speaking phenomenon in their claim to communicate with the dead. Mormons have always had tongue speaking as a part of their religious expression. It is thought for them to be a confirmation of the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and other documents which came from Joseph Smith. The most common expression of tongue speaking until recent years was in Pentecostalism which arose around 1900 and developed into a number of denominations. In the early 1960's neo- Pentecostalism began in Van Nuys, California, and has spread rapidly through the traditional existing religious organizations. It has become very popular, and has divided a number of Protestant churches. The fact that the tongue-speaking experience is found in false and contradictory religions would indicate that its source is not from God but is a human experience confused for divine intervention. The fact that the same experience is known in all religions, ancient and modern, Christian and pagan, and sometimes outside the religious experience altogether would indicate that its source is not from God. The fact that it can be learned and imitated would indicate that it is not a miracle. The New Testament gift of tongues is a miracle and consists of speaking in human languages that the speaker, had not known or learned by natural means. Contemporary tongue speaking must not be confused with the New Testament gift of tongues. One is a human phenomenon; the other a divine miracle. One is common to all religions, ancient and modern; the other is unique to the church in the first century. One is irrational, ecstatic utterances; the other is human language. One can be imitated and learned; the other is a miracle from God. There is nothing wrong with the phenomenon of giving forth ecstatic utterances,if your faith allows it but it is error when it is confused with the New Testament gift of tongues. Ecstatic, automatic speech can bring forth a release of tension and can be therapeutic, but when it is substituted for rational, religious expression, it is a delusion. Paul was no doubt talking about such a phenomenon as contemporary tongue speaking when he wrote in I Corinthians 12:2, about pagans, "You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the dumb idols, however you were led." John was no doubt speaking of counterfeits of miracles when he wrote in I John 4:1, "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits to see if they be from God." One major purpose for tongues was to serve as a sign to unbelieving Jews - a problem that was eliminated with the destruction of the Temple and Judaism as a religion in AD 70 by Rome - cp. 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (it was a testimony against those who had rejected Christ Jesus.) Tongue speaking today is not of God, it is of man.J. Hurt, Steve Rudd
Again you judge all by the wrong of others.

It does not matter the post was to show why its not the gifts because you add your opinion which is mostly consists of Not "not always" or more misinterptation or denial It is to justify your belief I told you your belief is not whats in question. You keep wanting to debate scripture with your belief. This doctrine of todays tongues is not written its not the tongues of the bible Todays tongues is of men it is not biblical

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Again you judge all by the wrong of others.
Again if you read this I was judging know one I posted statements of facts I did not write You are taking it as judgement because you do not agree so you accuse me of judging because you dont like the facts.Just as you have taken the word Magnify out of context being blind to any meaning except the one you chose when all scripture about this says no such thing in fact in contradicts your meaning You are defending a belief Not scriptures1) to make great, magnifya) metaph. to make conspicuous2) to deem or declare greata) to esteem highly, to extol, laud, celebrate3) to get glory and praise— magnify 5, enlarge 2, show great 1Your belief is your belief .............but facts are still facts .....trying to change/deny them to fit your belief is where we disagreeYour belief is yours and if you believe God has given it to you thats fine but its not what is written in scripture.

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Again if you read this I was judging know one I posted statements of facts I did not write You are taking it as judgement because you do not agree so you accuse me of judging because you dont like the facts.Just as you have taken the word Magnify out of context being blind to any meaning except the one you chose when all scripture about this says no such thing in fact in contradicts your meaning You are defending a belief Not scriptures1) to make great, magnifya) metaph. to make conspicuous2) to deem or declare greata) to esteem highly, to extol, laud, celebrate3) to get glory and praise— magnify 5, enlarge 2, show great 1Your belief is your belief .............but facts are still facts .....trying to change/deny them to fit your belief is where we disagreeYour belief is yours and if you believe God has given it to you thats fine but its not what is written in scripture.
I gave scriptures to back up almost every statement.

By Zach Poonen"Every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation (change)" (James. 1:17).God never makes a mistake, He never changes and He gives only perfect gifts. Therefore when He gave the gift of "speaking in unknown languages" ("tongues") to the church on the day of Pentecost, He knew exactly what He was doing. The gift of "tongues" was a perfect gift. God has not changed His mind about the gift, for He never changes.God knew the controversies that would surround this gift in the 20th century. Yet He felt the church needed this gift to fulfil its ministry.Even major truths such as the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, the Humanity of Christ and the Person of the Holy Spirit have been opposed and have faced controversy in the history of Christendom. So it should not surprise us if the gift of "tongues" has been controversial too.It is always best to stick exactly to what Scripture says on all doctrinal matters. Let us look then, with an unprejudiced mind, at every single verse in the Bible on the subject of "speaking in tongues" :Truth No. 1Mark 16:17: [Jesus said,] "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues... they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."Jesus said that some of the signs accompanying the company of "those who have believed" would be speaking in tongues, casting out demons and healing the sick. He did not say that ALL these signs would accompany EVERY believer. But He said that these signs would be found among the company of "those who have believed".So every believer need not have all these gifts. Neither need every church have all these gifts. But they will be found in the whole church worldwide. The Holy Spirit sovereignly decides whom to give the gifts to.Truth No. 2Acts 2:4,7,11: "They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance....... And the Jews from every nation marvelled saying....`We hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.'"The first time that believers were filled with the Holy Spirit, they ALL spoke in tongues. The "tongues" were languages that others understood immediately. So there was no need for the gift of interpretation.Notice also in verse 4 that it was the persons themselves who began to speak in tongues and not the Holy Spirit. The Spirit did not move their tongues. The Spirit only gave them utterance. They spoke themselves.In no gift, does the Holy Spirit take away freedom of choice from us. In fact, the fruit of the Spirit is "self-control" (Gal.5:23). Only demon-possessed people lose control of themselves. One who is filled with the Spirit will have more control over himself than anyone else. "The spirit of the prophets is subject to the control of the prophets" (1 Cor.14:32).Truth No. 3Acts 10:46: "They were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God."Here, in the house of Cornelius, all who were in his house were baptized in the Holy Spirit, at the same moment as they were converted to Christ. They spoke in "tongues" exalting God (praising Him) - not speaking to people, as was the case on the day of Pentecost.Truth No. 4Acts 19:6: "When Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying"The Holy Spirit came upon the believers in Ephesus, when Paul laid hands on them. The "tongues" here seems to have been prophesying.Note the following facts from the above instances in "Acts"a) In Acts 2 they received the Spirit, after water baptism. In Acts 10, they received the Spirit BEFORE water baptism. ( In Acts 2 and 10, they received the Spirit without anyone laying hands on them. In Acts 19, they received the Spirit after Paul laid hands on them. (This proves that there is no standard pattern for receiving the Spirit. It could be either before or after water-baptism, and also with or without the laying on of hands). © In Acts 8:14-18, when the disciples in Samaria received the Holy Spirit, there is no mention that they spoke in tongues. But Simon the magician did see some evidence (we are not told what it was) which made him want the same ability that Peter had.Truth No. 51 Cor. 12:7,8,10: "But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit.... to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues."The gift of tongues is for "the common good" - the good of the church. This was written 25 years after the day of Pentecost. And the gift of tongues was still being given then by the Spirit "for the common good".Truth No. 61 Cor.12:11: "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills".This is perhaps the clearest Scripture that teaches that the Holy Spirit sovereignly decides to whom to give each gift (including the gift of tongues). We cannot dictate to Him whom He should give any gift to.Truth No. 71 Cor. 12:28: "God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then... various kinds of tongues."It is God Who appointed the gift of tongues in the church - for some purpose. So we should never oppose this gift, lest we be found opposing God. Remember that He has more wisdom than we have.Truth No. 81 Cor. 12:30: "All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?"All believers do not speak in tongues, just like all believers do not have the gifts of healing. So obviously, God does not feel that "tongues" is an essential gift for all believers - either for being holy or for being effective in His service. If it were, He would have given this gift to everyone.Truth No. 91 Cor. 13:1: "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal."Speaking in tongues without love is useless. All pride in those who speak in tongues, and all "looking down" on others who don't speak in tongues is because of a lack of love. Such unloving believers who speak in tongues are as repulsive to God as a noisy gong is to us.Truth No. 101 Cor. 13:8: "Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away."When perfection comes at Christ's return, there will be no more need for speaking in tongues. In heaven, there will be no need for "tongues" - just like there will be no more need for Bible-knowledge or prophecy. So "tongues" is a temporary gift needed only under the imperfect conditions prevalent on earth. This explains why Jesus never needed the gift of tongues. It was because His mind was perfectly pure and because He lived in perfect communion with His Father at all times,Truth No. 111 Cor. 14:2: "One who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries."The gift of tongues mentioned here is obviously different from the one manifested on the day of Pentecost - for this gift is not to "speak to men but to God" and no-one can understand what the speaker is saying.Truth No. 121 Cor. 14:4: "One who speaks in a tongue edifies himselfThe gift of tongues enables a believer to build himself up spiritually.Truth No. 131 Cor. 14:5: "I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?"Paul wished that ALL spoke in tongues. This is yet another verse that clearly indicates that all believers do NOT speak in tongues.Paul's wish here is similar to his wish that ALL should be single like he himself was (as he states earlier in the same letter - 1 Cor.7:7). Paul saw some benefits in being single. He also saw some benefits in speaking in tongues. But Paul recognised that just as God was sovereign in giving the "gift of being single" only to some believers, He was equally sovereign in giving the "gift of tongues" also only to some believers.Therefore it is as foolish to expect all believers to speak in tongues as it is to expect all believers to be single!!In the church-meeting, it is far better to prophesy (that is, to speak God's Word "to encourage, edify and console" others - 1 Cor. 14:3). If however a 'tongue' is interpreted, then it is equal to prophecy.Truth No. 141 Cor. 14:9,13: "Unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear (understandable), how will it be known what is spoken?..........Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret." "Tongues" must be interpreted when used in a church meeting.Truth No. 151 Cor. 14:14: "If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is the outcome then? I shall pray with the spirit and I shall pray with the mind. I shall sing with the spirit and I shall sing with the mind."When praying in tongues, a person cannot understand what he is praying. But Paul still felt that he should pray and sing "with the spirit" (in tongues), as much as he did with his mind (in a known language).Truth No. 161 Cor. 14:18: "I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all." Paul was thankful to God for this gift. So it must have helped him.Truth No. 171 Cor. 14:19: "However, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind, that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue."In the church, speaking in a known language is always the best.Truth No. 181 Cor. 14:22: "Tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to unbelievers"Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers - as on the day of Pentecost.Truth No. 191 Cor. 14:23: "If therefore the whole church should assemble together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?"It is madness for all to speak in tongues in a church-meeting - for no-one will understand what anyone is saying. (This must obviously be referring to people speaking in tongues individually and not when all are praying together - for in the latter case, we do not listen to the prayers of even those who pray in a known tongue.)Truth No. 201 Cor. 14:26, 27: "What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and let one interpret;"Not more than two or three should speak in tongues in a meeting of the church, but each "tongue" must be interpreted. "Interpretation" is not the same as "translation". Translation is "word for word". Interpretation is "expressing the thought in one's own words".Truth No. 211 Cor. 14:39: "Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues."This then is the conclusion. Don't forbid the exercise of the gift of tongues. But if you are desiring a gift, seek for the gift of prophecy more than for the gift of tongues.The True And The CounterfeitThere is a certain amount of mystery about the gift of tongues, as all those who have received the gift will acknowledge - if they are honest. We do not know everything about it. We know only in part (1 Cor.13:12).As one who has spoken in tongues for the past 26 years, let me add a few words concerning what I presently understand about the gift, from my own experience.When a person speaks in tongues, his spirit (heart) speaks forth syllables (directly from his heart to his mouth, bypassing his mind) and thus he pours out whatever is in his heart to God - whether that be an overflow of joy or a burden caused by sorrow or discouragement. Thus the pressure on his heart is relieved. That is how he is 'edified'As we saw earlier in Acts 2:4, when anyone speaks in tongues, it is the person himself who speaks, and not the Holy Spirit. The believer forms the syllables himself, just as he does when speaking in a known language. The only difference is that now, he does NOT use a known language to pray, but concentrating on the Lord, speaks forth syllables with his mouth, straight from his heart, bypassing his mind - knowing that God understands the longings and pressures in his heart, even if he cannot understand himself what he is saying.Unburdening himself like that in moments of pressure helps a believer, especially if his mind is too tired to pray in a known language. We may not be able to explain how this works, but it does.Let us now look at the gift of interpretation: As we have already seen, interpretation of a tongue is equivalent to prophesying. So this gift will usually be given by the Spirit to one who has the gift of prophecy as well.In a church-meeting, if someone speaks in a tongue, one of those having the gift of prophecy (usually one of the elders), if he is walking in the light of God, will find a thought being impressed on his mind, if the "tongue" is genuinely from God. He speaks forth that thought in his own words - for it is not a translation, but an interpretation.If another elder (who also has the gift of interpretation) had interpreted the "tongue", the interpretation would have been the same (although couched in that elder's own words). This would be the case if both elders were in perfect touch with the Lord.Since no revelation from God can contradict what is written in the Bible, the interpretation will be in accordance with Scripture - just like all true prophecy will also be in line with the Scriptures.Some who are sceptical of spiritual gifts have asked this question: If a "tongue" that was interpreted in a meeting, is copied on to a tape and someone else (with the gift of interpretation) in another p lace is asked to interpret it, will the interpretation be the same as the first one? The answer is: It should be, if both interpreters had a perfect understanding of the mind of the Lord. If the interpretation is different in content, (and not just in words), that would only indicate that one or both interpreters are not in such perfect touch with the Lord as to understand His mind perfectly. That is not abnormal, because no believer in the world is in such perfect touch with the Lord as to know His mind perfectly.The following example will prove this fact beyond any doubt: Suppose you have to speak in a meeting and you have a particular message on your heart which you feel is the burden of the Lord for that meeting. Then, if you are unable to be at that meeting and someone else speaks in your stead, strictly speaking, he should give the same message as you had on your heart (even if it be in his own words). If that brother doesn't give the same message as you had on your heart, it would indicate that one of you did not have a perfect understanding of the Lord's mind for that meeting. So we see that believers could fail such a test even when giving a message in a known language.That's why the Bible tells us to judge even a prophet's message (1 Cor.14:29). Similarly, we should judge, all messages in "tongues" and their "interpretations". What should we judge in such cases? Just this: Whether our spirit witnesses that the utterance (prophecy, tongues or interpretation) was Scriptural (and from the Lord) or not.We are warned (in 1 John 4:1) not to believe every spirit but to "test the spirits whether they are of God". So every time, we hear "tongues" or interpretation in public, we must test it in our spirits. Many of the "supernatural utterances" we hear may not be from God. We must always reject a prophecy (or any part of it), a "tongue", or an interpretation, if we feel uneasy about it in our spirits, for any reason.It is the unquestioning acceptance of everything supernatural and abnormal that has brought tremendous confusion into Christendom in this century - and tremendous dishonor to the Lord's Name as well.Notice these facts in all instances of speaking in tongues in "Acts" a) In every case, the speaking in tongues was spontaneous;( In every case, all spoke in tongues - there were no exceptions;© In every case, there was no coaching or urging or instruction given on how to speak in tongues;Today however, in most places, none of the above characteristics are found. Only where the gift of tongues is spontaneously received without any coaching, can we conclude that it could be genuine.Of all the "speaking in tongues" that I have heard, my spirit has borne witness to only a small percentage of it as genuine. Most of the rest I have felt was an attempt to imitate the gift - either to be accepted by others in a group or to impress them. A small percentage could even be of demonic origin. My observations are based on the fruit and the results that I have seen in the lives of many people in many lands. Speaking and singing in tongues often appears to be a form of "exhibitionism" in many churches - and exhibitionism is characteristic of little children.It is also a well-established fact that, at this present time, the maximum exploitation of believers for financial gain is practised by those preachers and pastors who claim to "speak in tongues". Most of the cults in the 20th century have also developed from tongue-speaking groups.My advice to all believers therefore is: "Avoid churches that major on the gifts of tongues and healing - because many of them go to dangerous extremes and usually don't have spiritually-minded leaders. Seek instead for fellowship with a church that emphasises holiness and disciple-making primarily, that accepts the genuine gift of tongues and that does not covet your money or seek to control your life."Let me also emphasise that we need to use our mind (renewed by the Holy Spirit) if we are to understand God's will and His Word aright (Rom.12:2). Many believers tend to despise their minds. Our mind is to be like a wife. She should not be the head of the home. But she should not be killed either!! Jesus is our husband and head. Our mind should be submissive to Him through our heart.In a nutshell then, here is a bit of sane advice on "tongues":"If God gives you the gift of tongues, receive it and exercise it. Speak forth the syllables from your heart to God when you are alone with Him - anywhere - and especially when your heart is under pressure (through discouragement) or overflowing with joy. If you don't have the gift, don't worry about it. But be open to the Lord to receive it, at all times. Don't be against it and don't get into a frenzy to receive it. God will give it to you, if He wants you to have it, without any frenzy on your part. At the same time, don't believe that everything you see and hear in Christendom is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Test everything. Use your God-given faculties of discernment. If you don't have the gift of tongues, don't consider yourself inferior to those who have it. And if you do have the gift, don't imagine that it makes you spiritual or superior to those who don't have it. (Paul and the Corinthian Christians both spoke in tongues. But Paul was a spiritual giant, while the Corinthians were carnal!!)."What Is Absolutely EssentialWhat is absolutely essential for all of us is to be endued with the Holy Spirit's power. It is power, and not speaking in tongues that is the evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8).The Holy Spirit is to be received by faith (Jn.7:37-39), just as we received the forgiveness of our sins - on the basis of Christ's merit alone, and not on our own merit. We do not receive the Gift of the Spirit by fasting or praying or by any other work. He is a Gift (Acts 2:38).We ask and receive - immediately by faith - and go forth believing in God's promise that He gives the Holy Spirit more readily to those who ask Him than any earthly father would give food to a hungry son (Lk.11:13). If we are unsure about having received the Spirit, we can ask God to give us an assurance. He will not deny us such an assurance.But we need to be filled with the Spirit continually (because we are leaky vessels - Eph.5:18), just like we need to be forgiven continually (because we sin - often without knowing it - Matt.6:12).The devotion of our heart to Christ is far more important than our speaking in tongues. "Do you love Me more than everything else?", was our Lord's question to Peter, before commissioning him for His service. Arguments about "speaking in tongues" are therefore a diversion arranged by Satan to sidetrack believers from total devotion to Christ.The greatest Christians in the world have been those who loved the Lord Jesus supremely - whether they spoke in tongues or not. Some like Peter, James, John and Paul spoke in tongues. Others like John Wesley, Charles Finney, D.L.Moody, A.B.Simpson, William Booth, C.T.Studd and Watchman Nee never spoke in tongues (as far as we know). But they all received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, they all loved the Lord with all their hearts and they ALL walked the way of the cross. These truths were central in their lives. Other things were secondary.Let us follow their example and we won't go wrong..He who has ears to hear let him hear.