For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this
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Then I am unique among my Oneness brothers and sisters...because I see God as being only one Person and yet I see the Father as distinct from the Son as being distinct from the Holy Ghost. As I define in the post above, which I will link again below:
For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this
For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this
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CoreIssue
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The problem for you is the problem for you is Trinity does not mean God is one person. Elohim means three working together in the unity of one.
They've always been three but unified.
A council is singular but it is plural in composition. So as an Army, marriage and on and on.
Learn the meaning of uniplural.
Not really. I just picture you as looking at me with a certain kind of look as you say what you did say to me...with the look of a narrow-eyed crotch inspector.
Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God (1 Corinthians 12:4-6).
I do see them as being three who are absolutely one and the same Person; but I don't expect you to understand how this translates into the Trinity, because you have never been baptized according to Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39, Romans 8:30.
I am certain that also, you did not even look at and/or meditate on the post where I declare my pov above (For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this) in order to try to understand what I am saying. It is most certainly true that the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of the Lord.
CoreIssue
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Baptism of the Holy Spirit as evidenced by tongue is false.
Better read the New Testament. Many were saved and water baptized without any tongues.
The Bible never teaches evidence of tongues. Never said by the apostles.
Everyone is baptized by the Holy Spirit when they are born again.
Everyone has a gift, but that doesn't mean it's tongues.
Hey, I believe that tongues is an evidence of being baptized with the Holy Ghost.
It is not necessary for salvation from my pov (1 Corinthians 12:28-30).
In my own life I don't know what I would have done without it. At one point it became critical to my own salvation; because the attack of the enemy was so strong that the only reason I survived was because I kept myself in the love of God through praying in the Holy Ghost.
It is not necessary for salvation from my pov (1 Corinthians 12:28-30).
In my own life I don't know what I would have done without it. At one point it became critical to my own salvation; because the attack of the enemy was so strong that the only reason I survived was because I kept myself in the love of God through praying in the Holy Ghost.
I was actually referring to the fact that the Holy Spirit is absolutely promised to those who fulfill the condition in the conditional promise of Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 (see also Romans 8:30).
CoreIssue
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You believing it doesn't make it true.
There is only one baptism of the Holy Spirit in a person's life. That is for salvation, to be born again.
Well, I have gifts of the spirit, all of which the Bible say is superior to tongues. But they do not me saved, they help me to better serve Christ, others ingrown sanctification and understanding.
See Acts of the Apostles 2:1-4, Acts of the Apostles 10:44-48, and Acts of the Apostles 19:6.
CoreIssue
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The Holy Spirit is promised to everyone at salvation. No exceptions.
Your verses in Acts say nothing about tongues.
Romans promises eternal security. No mention of the Holy Spirit.
My believing what doesn't make it true?
I don't doubt that you have what you would call spiritual gifts; and that you are not saved by them. However, if they are truly of the Holy Ghost, then they are evidence that you have the Holy Ghost.
Of course you don't want to say that the gift is more important than the altar (Matthew 23:18-20).
I think you probably didn't read post #310.
I didn't bring up the subject of tongues, you did.
CoreIssue
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Your verses contain no promise of evidence of tongues. God gives tongues when he wants and why he wants.
There are others in the Bible that were saved and water baptized. Zero mention of tongues.
CoreIssue
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I didn't say they promised the evidence of tongues.
However, if that was what you were looking for, try Mark 16:17 (at the risk of entering into the kjv-only controversy. To avoid that, I am going to say take it or leave it).
CoreIssue
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Not what I call, but the Bible text calls.
I see nowhere that gifts are called evidence. They are tools to accomplish the purpose God gives a person.
It is Holy Spirit, Not Holy Ghost.
Since you have no idea what I have and how it has affected others, you have no idea if it has been evidence are not.
I don't know whether that is true or not true. Can you give me an example besides Acts 2:38-39 (since that scripture is one of my talking points)?
Sometimes you need to read between the lines, for understanding...see Psalms 1:2-3.
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