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justbyfaith

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And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom: and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28.

If perfect love therefore casts out the fear of the LORD, then perfect love casts out wisdom!

In the New Testament, fear is shown to be a proper motivation for obedience...1 Peter 1:17, Romans 11:20-22, Luke 12:4-5, and more.
 

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Some people have a Christianity based on their own ideas rather than an understanding of what the word of the Lord says.
 

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..Says you...that is your spin. Post #141
But, keep spinning if it makes you happy.
No point in arguing the same point over ....
 

Helen

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Some people have a Christianity based on their own ideas rather than an understanding of what the word of the Lord says.

Amen...you said it buddy..very true..
If you have a finger point going on there..just look at your hand.
THREE finger are pointing back at yourself !! lol
 

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Amen...you said it buddy..very true..
If you have a finger point going on there..just look at your hand.
THREE finger are pointing back at yourself !! lol
Of course...I didn't back up anything I said with the word of the Lord, now, did I? :oops::(
 

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Of course...I didn't back up anything I said with the word of the Lord, now, did I? :oops::(

Don't lets argue...it does neither of us any good.
And neither of us will change our position.

So bless you...and have a good evening. ...H
 

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I really wasn't expecting a hateful response from you...but I guess it is par for the course when you are preaching the truth...John 15:18-25.
 

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Don't lets argue...it does neither of us any good.
And neither of us will change our position.

So bless you...and have a good evening. ...H
Indeed, may the Lord abundantly bless you also (not to be outdone, he said...) have a great week (today is Sunday, after all)!
 

Helen

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I really wasn't expecting a hateful response from you...but I guess it is par for the course when you are preaching the truth...John 15:18-25.

Oh come on. What is hateful ?
Even with your scripture quote above..you are still trying to 'pull rank'...and declare yourself as 'right.'
I am not saying I am right". In all 8,000 posts I have made , you will never find me ever saying 'I am right'..neither will find that I ever said that someone was wrong.

A discussion is just that...a discussion! We are allowed to disagree.
If we can not just agree to disagree then it makes it a sour discussion!! If it makes you happy to always be right, I wont ever post a disagreement to you again. :(
You obviously don't like being disagreed with. Sorry.
 

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You certainly have the right to disagree with me...but it concerns me when someone disregards the word of the Lord for their own opinion.

You have the right to your own opinion...you have the right also to disagree with God's word...

I just don't know that it is Christianity that you are espousing if your opinion contradicts God's word after you have been shown in the word how your opinion is contradicted by it...

As a believer in Christ, my opinions are daily being formed by my understanding of the word of God...I alter my opinions whenever I am shown from the word that my opinions are wrong...to me this is a major part of what it means to have humility and faith.
 
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The proof is there is no demand anywhere for water baptism for salvation. The verses I posted spell that out quite clearly..

Actually they spell out the opposite quite clearly, from my pov...that baptism in Jesus' name is for the forgiveness of sins...and that being filled with the Holy Spirit is the result...since forgiveness of sins is = salvation, and salvation is by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast...it follows that baptism is not a work...rather, it is an act of obedience...see Acts of the Apostles 5:32...it is surrendering to an ordinance that serves as a point of contact for faith.
 

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You have the right to your own opinion...you have the right also to disagree with God's word...

I just don't know that it is Christianity that you are espousing if your opinion contradicts God's word after you have been shown in the word how your opinion is contradicted by it...

You see...THIS is where we divide.
YOU tell me what "Gods Word " says ...what right do you have to do that? ...you don't seem to understand that how YOU read a certain scripture may NOT always be how everyone else believes or sees it too.
Can you not see the arrogance in you telling someone else "what God's word says" ? o_O
What makes me "wrong" and you totally correct in your interpretation?
 

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As the saying goes, we don't work to get saved, we are saved to do works. Good works, done after you permanently have eternal life, gain rewards and with bad works or no good works, you will suffer loss. You are Gentiles. Paul is your ONLY apostle. He was chosen and sent by Jesus Christ for this position and was trained by Jesus Christ, though the many special revelations he received from Christ. For Gentiles, Paul's word is the last word. Paul's words are Jesus Christ's words. These 2 passages are all you need, Believe them totally and you have eternal life. Period!
1Cor 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Eph 2:8_9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

When you fully believe, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit that will now be in you. This guarantees your salvation. When you die, the Spirit will return to God who gave it, Eccl 12:7. You will not immediately go to Heaven when you die, only Christ has ever ascended to Heaven, Jn 3:13. You will eventually be resurrected and will go the Heaven if you are chosen. If not, you will likely be on the New Earth, paradise. When God becomes All in All, anyplace in His Universe will be indescribably Wonderful. Unbelievers do not have the Spirit of God within them and, therefore, no spirit will return to God when they die. They will simply die permanently. No unbeliever will ever be resurrected. No unbeliever will ever have a second chance. The ungodly (unbelievers) will not stand in the judgments, Ps 1:5. They are already judged.
Eph 1:12-13
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

There are many people that will tell you that you must do certain things, besides believe, to get saved. What they are actually saying is that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was NOT SUFFICIENT to save you, which, of course, is heresy. You are, however, expected to do good works after you are saved, and you will ultimately be rewarded for these or, if you don't do them, you will suffer loss. For your walk, read the last 3 chapters of Ephesians. All works BEFORE salvation are 100% worthless in the eyes of God. He won't even look at them.

Water Baptism is based on the all-Israel OT and was only for Jews, proselytes, and the Gentiles in the Acts Church, who were part of Israel, since they were grafted into Israel. Anything and everything required of today's Gentiles, none of whom has ANY association with Israel, whatsoever, is found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. These 7 books contain the very latest information that Paul received, by revelation, from Jesus Christ. Much in those 7 books overrides what in Paul's 7 Acts books.

Actually, NOTHING about our future is found in Paul's Acts books or any of the other 59 all-Israel books, including the Gospels. EVERYTHING in Paul's 7 post-Acts books was contained in a mystery which was hid in God since the world began. Therefore, it is impossible that ANYTHING from the 59 Israel books is TO or ABOUT us Gentiles today, except for Christ.

Only in those 7 books will you find that we Gentiles have a possible Hope of going to Heaven. No Jew in the other 59 books EVER had a chance of going to Heaven. Search and See. Israel are an Earthly people, and the Gentiles living today are a Heavenly people. Nothing EVER given to Israel (all of which is earthly) in those all-Israel 59 books, except Christ, was EVER given to today's Gentiles. We have our own far, far better Heavenly things, which are found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles.
Ephesians 2.10 comes immediately after Ephesians 2.8-9. Different emphases, but still in complete harmony with each other! :)
 

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You see...THIS is where we divide.
YOU tell me what "Gods Word " says ...what right do you have to do that? ...you don't seem to understand that how YOU read a certain scripture may NOT always be how everyone else believes or sees it too.
Can you not see the arrogance in you telling someone else "what God's word says" ? o_O
What makes me "wrong" and you totally correct in your interpretation?
I think you didn't even look up the verses in question, or else you would have seen with your own eyes and intellect that the word of God contradicts the opinion that you had shown forth.

Do you really think that when we read the scriptures, we can just make them say whatever we want? Every scripture has a specific meaning; and the apostles used great plainness of speech in proclaiming them (2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv)). Also, no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). The scriptures are not subject to our interpretation, based on what we want them to say and how we want them to say it; rather, our understanding needs to be subject to the holy scriptures!

If you would but consider that 1 Corinthians 1:10 cannot have any validity unless there is a singular truth that will bring us all into unity. That truth is the truth of the Holy Bible...and if you know the author of the Book (the Holy Spirit), then you can ask Him any question as to what the interpretation might be and He will reveal it to you! For He is the Spirit of truth.

But if you are not an avid reader of the Book, and do not hold it to be the supreme authority, then worldly opinions will hold sway in your thinking and you may even attempt to say that they are the doctrines of the Holy Bible and Christianity.

If I do not accept correction from the word of God when it is presented to me, then the truth of the matter is that I hold my own beliefs to be superior to the teachings of God's word...if I am told of a scripture that contradicts my point of view, and I do not even deign to look it up, then I am more interested in holding my own opinion than in letting Jesus be the Lord of my life, even of my mind and heart and the doctrines that I hold to be true. I am not submitted to Him because He tells me one thing and I tell Him that it cannot be so because I believe otherwise. So He is not the Lord of my life...and there are those who hold the opinion that if He is not my Lord, He is not my Saviour...therefore if they be right, then I am again gambling with eternity by not allowing myself to be corrected in my theology, because I am not willing to even open my eyes and look at that which would bring correction to my understanding...I am therefore not humble but proud and may even suffer the fate of the devil who fell because of that (original) sin.

But if I surrender to the truth of the Holy Scriptures and adhere to them in my theology, then self is not on the throne but Jesus and His word take precedence over my system of belief. Therefore humility and faith win the day because I am not lording it over God's word as concerning what I am going to believe about something...because I am looking to the word of the Lord to be the final authority over all my opinions.

So then, @"ByGrace",

I think that you certainly have the right to interpret the scriptures when you read them, and IF you are not ignoring certain things that are written you may even have a balanced view on every subject. But if you are turning a blind eye to what is written in holy scripture concerning a subject, then you must consider that you very probably (99.99%, I would say) do not have the right interpretation, because you are not aware of what the whole counsel of God says about that subject.

Know also that when we read the holy scriptures, they are not subject to man's interpretation...the apostles used great plainness of speech, and no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation...we must pray with a humble heart that is willing to be changed when we read the Holy Bible...with a humble mind that is also willing to be changed.

If I reject the testimony of scripture for the sake of my own opinion, then I am in real spiritual danger; for it is very probable that I am hardening my heart against the truth (Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, Hebrews 4:7). It may very well be that I have an evil heart of unbelief that is prone to departing from the living God (Hebrews 3:12); if I am even in a place where I am in a relationship with Him.
 
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