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justbyfaith

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For him it's not A spin. It's a personal reality.

Amen. Concerning this:

And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom: and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28.

If perfect love therefore casts out the fear of the LORD, then perfect love casts out wisdom!

In the New Testament, fear is shown to be a proper motivation for obedience...1 Peter 1:17, Romans 11:20-22, Luke 12:4-5, and more.

Because perfect love for me does not cast out the fear of the LORD; while it does cast out all other types of fear.
 
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If I reject the testimony of scripture for the sake of my own opinion, then I am in real spiritual danger; for it is very probable that I am hardening my heart against the truth (Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, Hebrews 4:7). It may very well be that I have an evil heart of unbelief that is prone to departing from the living God (Hebrews 3:12); if I am even in a place where I am in a relationship with Him.

Very true...I will pray for you.
 
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Okay...how to be saved. The Bible tells us that all we need to do is believe the gospel and we shall be saved, and not only us, but our household as well...if they believe. So the big multi gazillion-billion dollar question is, what is the gospel? In short, it is God's solution to the sin problem.
It is the power of God unto salvation for all them that believe...both Jew and Greek. We may believe we can come up with all the formulas and text book steps that lead us to glory...but Jesus made everything so very understandable and simple.
"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest". That is how we are saved. By coming to Christ. And trusting Him to do whatever is needful to finish and complete whatever is necessary to get us to the Father's side. And anyone who does not have the faith to believe that God has the power, and determination to free any man, no matter how vile and how guilty, from all sin, does not have the faith to enter the kingdom.
 
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Because perfect love for me does not cast out the fear of the LORD; while it does cast out all other types of fear.
How can one love one that you fear. God is not a scary God that so many make Him out to be, everything He has done has being out of love. If we come to Him in fear, than we have no faith. This little bit.

Rom_1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

When you are with God there is not fear. when you are with Christ there is no fear. when you are with the Holy Spirit there is no fear, only Love, and a big smile.

As for the devil, he does cause one to fear, but when one is with Christ he is nothing.
 
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See 2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv).
“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:” (2 Corinthians 3:12) (KJV 1900) This is commendable but Act 2:38 is not about salvation. And it is not the gospel. It is about saved Jews under the Old Covenant entering the New Covenant and receiving the Holy Spirit.
 

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Okay...how to be saved. The Bible tells us that all we need to do is believe the gospel and we shall be saved, and not only us, but our household as well...if they believe. So the big multi gazillion-billion dollar question is, what is the gospel? In short, it is God's solution to the sin problem.
It is the power of God unto salvation for all them that believe...both Jew and Greek. We may believe we can come up with all the formulas and text book steps that lead us to glory...but Jesus made everything so very understandable and simple.
"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest". That is how we are saved. By coming to Christ. And trusting Him to do whatever is needful to finish and complete whatever is necessary to get us to the Father's side. And anyone who does not have the faith to believe that God has the power, and determination to free any man, no matter how vile and how guilty, from all sin, does not have the faith to enter the kingdom.

How to be saved...to put it simply and in short....it is to receive Christ (John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Hosea 14:2). It is to receive the Holy Ghost (Luke 11:9-13, Acts 2:38-39), so that one can walk according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh (Romans 8:13).

How can one love one that you fear. God is not a scary God that so many make Him out to be, everything He has done has being out of love. If we come to Him in fear, than we have no faith. This little bit.

Rom_1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

When you are with God there is not fear. when you are with Christ there is no fear. when you are with the Holy Spirit there is no fear, only Love, and a big smile.

As for the devil, he does cause one to fear, but when one is with Christ he is nothing.

<sigh> go ahead and believe what you want to believe, and disregard what the scriptures say that I have brought forth. It is no skin off my back.

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:” (2 Corinthians 3:12) (KJV 1900) This is commendable but Act 2:38 is not about salvation. And it is not the gospel. It is about saved Jews under the Old Covenant entering the New Covenant and receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is a conditional promise given to as many as the Lord our God shall call; to as many as will fulfill the condition of the promise. Romans 8:30 also applies. And scripture also interprets scripture...so please look up 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22.
 
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Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is a conditional promise given to as many as the Lord our God shall call; to as many as will fulfill the condition of the promise. Romans 8:30 also applies. And scripture also interprets scripture...so please look up 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22.

But not available until 7 years later at the gentile outpouring. Acts 2:38 is about saved OT Jews entering the New Covenant and receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 

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But not available until 7 years later at the gentile outpouring. Acts 2:38 is about saved OT Jews entering the New Covenant.
I'm not sure what you're talking about...seven years after what? What are you referring to? What Gentile outpouring?
 
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I'm not sure what you're talking about...seven years after what? What are you referring to? What Gentile outpouring?
There were two Holy Spirit outpourings. One at Pentecost, and one about 7 years later at Cornelius' house. Acts 2:38 is not about salvation. It is not the gospel. It is about OT believers entering the New Covenant and receiving the Holy Spirit. The same happened with the gentiles. Only Peter preached the gospel, and they were grafted into biblical Israel as we are today.
 

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But not available until 7 years later at the gentile outpouring. Acts 2:38 is about saved OT Jews entering the New Covenant and receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I beg to differ. The promise of the Holy Ghost was available right at the time of Peter's declaration in Acts of the Apostles 2:38. Acts of the Apostles 2:39 says it is a promise.

Now in the word of the Lord there are unconditional promises and there are conditional ones. For example, Philippians 4:6-7 is a conditional promise: the promise being that the peace of the Lord will guard your heart and mind through Christ Jesus; and the condition being that you be careful (anxious) for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving make your requests be known unto the Lord.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38 is a conditional promise, whether you like it or not.

Now, 7 years later (I was unaware of the timing because it is not mentioned in the book of Acts), when the Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles, it was a situation where God had to go to special measures in order to prove to the circumcision group that the Gentiles should be included in the church; therefore He went beyond the normal protocol in that situation than what He had established in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

So then, is it necessary that a person be baptized in Jesus' name for the remission of sins, in order to receive the Holy Ghost? Asking, seeking, and knocking, will produce the same result (Luke 11:9-13). And if a person simply calls on the name of the Lord, they shall be saved (Romans 10:13). Note that salvation here may not be the exact same thing as the baptism of the Holy Ghost, as is promised by the verses in question (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39); and that therefore a person might call on the name of the Lord and be saved, but not ever have power for ministry. Jesus is the Spirit of truth.
 
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Why did God wait 7 years to begin ministering the Spirit to the gentiles?

Waiting for Saul to get finishing with his bad stuff , so that God could then call him as Paul..to do the good stuff... ;)
'Times and seasons' ...
 
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You see...THIS is where we divide.
YOU tell me what "Gods Word " says ...what right do you have to do that? ...you don't seem to understand that how YOU read a certain scripture may NOT always be how everyone else believes or sees it too.
Can you not see the arrogance in you telling someone else "what God's word says" ? o_O
What makes me "wrong" and you totally correct in your interpretation?
Only God always knows who among us is right or wrong.

Even if a person "wins" one of these arguments here according to the consensus of members who have read all of the posts on a thread, if God did not give any increase from it, would it not effectively be idle words?
 
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Only God always knows who among us is right or wrong.

Even if a person "wins" one of these arguments here according to the consensus of members who have read all of the posts on a thread, if God did
not give any increase from it, would it not effectively be idle words?

Usually when the argument is won, it is because the Holy Spirit gave the victory to the one who was arguing for His pov. See Luke 21:15, Acts of the Apostles 6:10. (For He is the Spirit of truth; which also is not unknowable).

So then, all who are privy to the conversation can know who is right or wrong when the argument is said and done to its proper end.
 
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Now, please understand that I am not arguing that baptism in Jesus' name is necessary if one is going to receive remission of sins; rather I am arguing that baptism in Jesus' name can be a point of contact for faith so that when a person is "baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" the absolute promise "and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" is sure to follow.

I have repeatedly stated concerning this issue that a person can simply call on the name of the Lord and there is also an absolute promise of salvation: "Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13.

I believe that in this latter thing, remission of sins is not excluded from the salvation mentioned.

However, I don't believe that we can justly exclude the remission of sins from those who are baptized in Jesus' name for the remission of sins, either. It is a valid entry point into the kingdom, through which a man can have his sins remitted.

It is often a point of contact so that faith can become a reality. Sometimes a person's faith is suddenly given new life when he or she goes under the water and then comes up out of the water: in fact, the scripture says that in baptism, when the person comes out of the water, it is so that they can walk in newness of life. I find also that people who have assurance issues can have them dealt with once and for all if they will simply submit to baptism in Jesus' name. Because the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who do so; and therefore there can be no doubt in the mind concerning the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Ghost once a person receives Acts 2:38-39 baptism (although certain people would try to undermine the assurance and faith that comes thereby).

I'm not trying to make it seem like I don't value baptism. Baptism is a must for the believer. It is the putting away of the old man and a circumcision of the flesh, a work done by God. Baptism is important, but alone it does not save. Faith, belief, repentance, and baptism are all important but we must realize that ultimately it is the grace of God that saves. Those who truly believe the Gospel will be baptized.

The Bible can talk about baptism saving because it is connected with the union of Christ that saves, and pictures the death, burial, and resurrection. Baptism done without faith won't profit anything, just like faith without works (fruit) is dead.

The heart of a person is cleansed by faith (Acts 15:9) and we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1)
 
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<sigh> go ahead and believe what you want to believe, and disregard what the scriptures say that I have brought forth. It is no skin off my back.
Its not what I believe, its what I know. You can study that book all your life and never know God, If you want to know Him than you have to put Him first before all things, and few are willing..

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Which is why God gave us His Spirit. We need God not books, God gave us His best, but His best is always second in mens lives.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


If men knew what the y could have now, you would think they would run after Christ, they seem to spend more of there time hiding from Him.

I stand at the door knocking, who will hear and open.
 

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Its not what I believe, its what I know. You can study that book all your life and never know God, If you want to know Him than you have to put Him first before all things, and few are willing..

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Which is why God gave us His Spirit. We need God not books, God gave us His best, but His best is always second in mens lives.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


If men knew what the y could have now, you would think they would run after Christ, they seem to spend more of there time hiding from Him.

I stand at the door knocking, who will hear and open.

The Bible is God's love letter to us; in it God tells us more and more every day who He is and how much He loves us.

He has magnified His word above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

If we reject any portion of His word, we are rejecting Him, and are in grave spiritual danger (Revelation 22:19).