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But perhaps the most dramatic declaration of the Trinity lies in the manner in which the Scriptures declares that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ALIKE raised Jesus from among the dead!

In Acts 13:30 as well as Romans 6:4, is plainly stated that God the Father resurrected our dear Savior. Christ was raised from among the dead by the glory of the Father, we read. Yet in John 2:19; 10:17,19, we’re specifically taught that the Son raised Himself from among the dead. For it is said, Jesus answered them, ‘destroy the temple and in three days I will raise it up again,’ and He spoke of the temple of His body and He said: I will raise it up.

And again Christ said: ”Therefore doth my Father love me because I lay down my life that I might take it again. No man takes my life from me, I lay it down by myself, I have the power to lay it down, I have the power to take it up again.”

Yet the apostle Paul and Peter insist that the Savior was resurrected from among the dead by God the Holy Spirit. Christ has once suffered for sins to be put to death by the flesh made alive by the Holy Spirit. How marvelous is the clarity of the testimony of the word of God? Jehovah is indeed ONE, as perfect unity in essence and substance yet He is three as to persons.

Now God should not be thought of as separate individuals in the sense of Peter, James, and John because Peter, James, and John are not one. They are lacking in absolute unity. There is disagreement among them. There is the difference as to gifts and capabilities, and quality of brains and so forth. They are not equal, they are not one in unity and substance, in essence, and purpose, and so on, as God is indeed one.

So we must not take them as three different persons like Peter, James, and John, for this denies His absolute unity and substance, and essence. On the other hand, to say God is an absolute unity in the sense as of one alone without subsisting as three persons is also heresy according to the Bible.

And so all of us in our hearts today should join in the doxology of the church:

Praise God in whom all blessings flow
Praise Him all creatures here below
Praise Him above ye heavenly hosts
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

For our God indeed is ONE GOD and yet we see that the Scriptures teach plainly, although we cannot understand how, the Scriptures teach plainly that God is ONE, He exists in one unity, He subsists in three persons as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For the Bible teaches indeed that the Father is God. It teaches indeed that the Son is God. It teaches indeed that the Holy Spirit is God. Three persons, distinct, and separate. And yet in the same breath that declares, this God who exists in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist as ONE GOD, ONE JEHOVAH for all of eternity!

To God Be The Glory

GINOLJC, to all.
First I read all of your Post, but I see you must not have read my previous post, because I covered what you just posted.

but, let me sum up what you're trying to say.

Listen, God is a plurality of "One" not a plurality of 3, or more, see the difference now?.
your example, listen,

Jun2u said:

For example, look at Genesis 11:6. Here we read: “Behold the people is one” and the word for ‘one’ here is the Hebrew word ‘echad’ where it says over in Deuteronomy 6:4 that Jehovah is “one.” People refer to the plural number but the predicate the “is” is singular, and the ‘one’ “echad” speaks of the “oneness” or complete unity of the plurality. In other words, there is a unity among the people that binds them together as “one people.” Therefore, we discover that the plural being spoken of is

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that want work with a plurality of "ONE". but it would work with a plurality of "MANY"

see, in that one "GROUP" of people there is many "Separate" individuals, just like in your trinity, hence a polylithic belife. so again you ERROR.

then you used this example,

Jun2u said:

This is a beautiful illustration here where “echad” is used and translated as “one.” The two shall be one flesh! Now the two (plural) shall be (plural) one (singular) flesh

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Let's address this. understand the term Adam indicate "ANOTHER" of himself which is Eve. listen to the definition of the term Adam. it's the Hebrew word,
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
my source, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments

see how the KJV can translate Adam, .... "ANOTHER". now watch. out term "another is the two Greek words,G243 Allos and G2087 heteros both have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;

G2087 " heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort.
my source, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

did you see it?, if not listen, Allos express a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. what do sort means? lets see,
Sort: 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature:
2. character, quality, or nature:

So Eve is the numerical difference of Adam, and difference is she, she is "FEMALE", and he's "MALE". see G2087 heteros is a qualitive difference compared to Adam the male.
qualitive, means involving or relating to distinctions based on quality or qualities. oh yese she is flesh of my flesh, and bone of my bone, but there is a certian ... distinction, I'm sure you know what distinction I'm talking about.

so that example fails also. then you added this to your example above,

Jun2u said:

No, the idea is that plurality of persons shall continue to exist as separate and distinct personality, but they will share a “oneness” from the results of their intimate knowledge of one another.

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in General I agree, because she, Eve is a "separate" person "FROM" the male Adam, so your no, on that is good.

then you made the the worst error as everyone else who believe in the trinity, listen to what you said,

Jun2u said:

Isaiah says it was the Father. John says it was the Son. Paul says it was the Holy Spirit. Who is this ONE JEHOVAH? Well, He is God the Father, God The Son, and God the Holy Spirit blessed Trinity. One, in essence, one in substance, but three distinct and separate persons subsisting in the unity of the Godhead.

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"UNITY", have you been listening? the mistake is 3 separate person, but hold your fire, let's put it out with water, which is the Word. listen closley. let's see my plurality of "ONE".

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

the LORD said that "I", STOP, how many is "I", verses your "many" in one Group of people. the Lord said I am the "First" AND, AND, AND, the Last. how "many" persons(s) is that Jun2u? don't answer yet, but listen,
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. ok Jun2u, how can the "FIRST" be (WITH) the "LAST" when it's only ONE "PERSON", for the LORD said "I", and "I" is a single desigination. but wait don't answer yet, but listen,
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. say what? he's also, also, also, the Last.
Jun2u, how can one PERSON be the "First" AND the "LAST". and be the "First" With the "Last", and be the "first" and ALSO the "Last". see, your error now?

Remember this is the LORD, he said "I" meaning "ONE". but did not the Lord Jesus say he's the "First" and "Last"........ let's check the record.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: and "I" is one person.... no kidding...

see your mistake now?. Diversified Oneness is a plurality of only "ONE", your echad and yahid is a plurality of many separate individuals, just like in your trinity, hence it is a polylithic belife.

the only answer is the "SHARE", one PERSON that is "another" himself.

all of your examples fall flat on their faces. I have showed you the truth in scriptures, and yet you believe not, and still use that false name JEHOVAH listen. let's get that false name out of your mouth also.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

what is the two most important things in this scripture. #1. we shall know his NAME. so if we "SHALL", future tense, KNOW his NAME, then it's not JEHOVAH. #2. he said, "they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak". ok, when was that day that the Lord spoke? answer,
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. and this is the Lord Jesus speaking. what did he say in Isa 52:6, "I am he. and what did JESUS say in John 8:24, "I am he". duh!

now one last thing, the Holy Spirit. read Rev chapters 2 & 3, the 7 churches. question, who addresses all the churches, the Lord Jesus .... right.. right. now, look at how each letter to each church ends, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches".

STOP, hold it, I thought it was the Lord Jesus who was speaking to the churches..... (smile). boy oh boy, when will they learn, oh well. yes, JESUS is the Holy Spirit, ta da ........

I suggest you re-read this post for clarity.

101G said:

I suggest you re-read this post for clarity.

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I suppose your interpretation is clear to you, however, I would rather believe God than the wisdom of this world.

What are you going to do with verses like:

“and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him,” Matthew 17:5

Did Jesus throw out His voice like a ventriloquist?

Or

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 27:46

Was Jesus praying to Himself while being in agony?

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u said:

I suppose your interpretation is clear to you, however, I would rather believe God than the wisdom of this world.

What are you going to do with verses like:

“and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him,” Matthew 17:5

Did Jesus throw out His voice like a ventriloquist?

Or

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 27:46

Was Jesus praying to Himself while being in agony?

To God Be The Glory

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First, thanks for the reply.

second, The wisdon of this world is the trinity, it didn't come from God, it's not even in the scriptures.

third, it's not my "interpretation", I don't know how many times I must tell people that.

fourth, "a voice out of the clouds?", and no the Lord Jesus need not to be a ventriloquist. that's the thinking of a fleshly mind. for that kind of mind cannot please God, JESUS. the answer, did you not know that God is omnipresent?, no need to be a ventriloquist .... (smile) .. LOL, LOL. listen scripture,
Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Ps 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Ps 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Ps 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

God the Holy Spirit can speak to you in India, and me in canada at the same time. understand what the scripture,
Matt 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 27:46 translation My Spirit, My Spirit, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 27:46, Remember God is a plurality of himself in another/G 243... Form.

so no, God need not to be a ventriloquist.

and no Jesus didn't pray "to" himself, only in intersession on our behalf, because he was in flesh.

see, those are fleshly minded thoughts.

so reload and try again.

101G said:

so reload and try again.

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I must confess I have a finite mind and can’t fully grasp or understand the whole Bible, except those that God reveals to me.

One of the many mysteries about the Godhead, I believe, is found in the Lord’s prayer in John Chapter 17. There, I can’t comprehend how Jesus asks that the Father make those created being be one with the Father and Himself, but I take it by faith as with everything else the Bible teaches.

I’m sure you have something to say about John 17 but I will pray God give you wisdom and opens your spiritual eyes to truths, for it is a scary thing to fall under God’s curse for not teaching the true Gospel.

To God Be The Glory

Jun2u said:

I must confess I have a finite mind and can’t fully grasp or understand the whole Bible, except those that God reveals to me.

One of the many mysteries about the Godhead, I believe, is found in the Lord’s prayer in John Chapter 17. There, I can’t comprehend how Jesus asks that the Father make those created being be one with the Father and Himself, but I take it by faith as with everything else the Bible teaches.

I’m sure you have something to say about John 17 but I will pray God give you wisdom and opens your spiritual eyes to truths, for it is a scary thing to fall under God’s curse for not teaching the true Gospel.

To God Be The Glory

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First, thanks for the reply. and I'm glad you're asking questions.

second, I hope that the Lord open your eyes also, so let him start where you asked about, John 17.

point, #1.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

when one look at this verse, automatically their mind say see, only God, (the Father), is the only TRUE GOD. Oh yes? let's see then. did you notice that conjunction "AND" there that connect the "Only True God to "Jesus Christ". it's the SAME PERSON. let's see if clear in the scriptures,
Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
STOP, God "AND" the Father? did not your mind say that the Father is the only True God? see, wrong and wishful thinking. now Jun2u, tell us, is this the SAME PERSON here in James 1:27? ... YES. knowing that lets go back to John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
that little conjunction "and" makes all the difference. little thing sometimes makes a "BIG" difference. here, this is the SAME Person, lets see it again by scriptures,

Titus 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

here God is our "Saviour", so who is the Saviour, just 3 verses later in the same chapter,
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

in verse 10 Saviour = Great God
in verse 13 Saviour = Jesus Christ.
conclusion, Jesus Christ is the Great God in the flesh
see it now?. inescapable.

Compare those two scriptures for your edification.

back to John 17, and now verse 5.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
God is a Spirit, (see John 4:24a) and what did he glorify our Lord with? answer "himself", read the verse again, "with thine ownself"
Now think Jun2u after you read this,
Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. this statement took place before John 17:5, correct

Now did God lie? God forbid, NO. if the Lord Jesus as you say is a second person of a trinity, who is a separate and distinct PERSON, then God according to Isa 48:11 just called your trinity an untruth. because he, God said I will not give my glory to another

and the word "another" here is the hebrew word,
H312 אַחֵר 'acher (ach-air') adj.
1. (properly) hinder.
2. (generally) next, other, etc.
[from H309]
KJV: (an-)other man, following, next, strange.

Another is "strange" here. you put a "strange" god with the TRUE God

Listen,
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (the definition states, next, or "hinder" or after or before him. notta, case closed)
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

so in your trinity, you have a strange god with our TRUE and ONLY God. see your error now?.

one more out of John 17,
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

here "came out" from the Father is the Greek word,
G1831 ἐξέρχομαι exerchomai (ex-er'-cho-mai) v.
to issue.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G1537 and G2064]
KJV: come (forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), spread abroad

notice it's a verb, and not a noun. so what do, "to issue", means? answer, emanate, (smile). you know what that means. Jesus said, "glorify me with thine "OWN .... Self" with, with, with, the glory I had with, with, with, thee. ta da.

so the conclusion on John 17, it confirm the plurality of God as "ONE" PERSON.

and lastly, you said this, "I’m sure you have something to say about John 17 but I will pray God give you wisdom and opens your spiritual eyes to truths, for it is a scary thing to fall under God’s curse for not teaching the true Gospel".
First, thanks for my concern, and two, the Lord Jesus removed all curses, and three, I have nothing to say on John 17, except to witness to it. fourth, my spiritual eyes have been open a long time ago to this subject, the Godhead, hence the reason why I believe God in "Diversifed Oneness", for he taught it to me. just as he taught it to his disciples. which you have see in the scriptures that have been posted here.

what I have said in all my post, now or way back. you can check any of my post, and you want find not one contridiction in what I have been saying,

see, the truth don't need a crutch, only a lie. and I'm not hopping.

May God open your eyes to see, and to know the truth.

@Jun2u,
GINOLJC, and to all.

While you're thinking about what has been previously posted, consider this.
Do the following scriptures support THREE person or Two person or ONE person. Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

Now in verse 5, this is a give me. but in verse 4, is this two additional "PERSONS"? think about what is said here, and research it out, and see for yourself if the letter is from one person, two persons, or three Persons

please search the scriptures.

be blessed.