Muslim Beheadings

CoreIssue · Dec 6, 2018

lforrest said:
Islamic terrorists are terrorizing and their apologists complain about the fearful response it provokes. Islamaphobia is a justified and proper response for most people. While we are supposed to fear God rather than man.

I agree fearing God is more profitable fearing man, spiritually speaking.

But physically, even in the Bible nations defend themselves against enemies.

Having worked in intelligence during NAM dealing with Russia and China as well, I can tell you those two countries are our enemies and a threat to us.

Islam is also a threat. Look at the murder, rape and other crimes in Europe. And the crimes done in the name of Allah here.

Our war with Islam is ancient. Look at the Barbary Coast wars in example.

Islamaphobia is a smokescreen from Muslims and liberals.

Obama supported Islam and sharia law, as did many Democrats.

Now some places have elected them to political office. The Mayor of London is a Muslim.

Where I live we have Muslims that are supposed to be extremely peaceful. But they support sharia law and radical Muslim groups in the Middle East.

How do I know? As mayor I was confronted with those issues.

Read the Koran. Islam is the mortal in me of Christianity and Jews.

Luke 11:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe.

Hidden In Him · Dec 6, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Islamaphobia is a smokescreen from Muslims and liberals.

Obama supported Islam and sharia law, as did many Democrats.

Now some places have elected them to political office. The Mayor of London is a Muslim.

Where I live we have Muslims that are supposed to be extremely peaceful. But they support sharia law and radical Muslim groups in the Middle East.

How do I know? As mayor I was confronted with those issues.

Lived a long life, have we?

I agree with you. Most Muslims are decent moral people, but many of them are also duplicitous and secretive. It is permitted of Muslims to lie under certain conditions if it will further the cause of Islam, which makes it extremely difficult to trust even those who seem to be the nicest people on your block, LoL.

CoreIssue · Dec 6, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
Lived a long life, have we?

I agree with you. Most Muslims are decent moral people, but many of them are also duplicitous and secretive. It is permitted of Muslims to lie under certain conditions if it will further the cause of Islam, which makes it extremely difficult to trust even those who seem to be the nicest people on your block, LoL.

I don't agree most are moral decent people. Moral decent people do not lie to your face. They do not fund terrorists.

And yes, I've been kicking around for quite a while.

Long enough to see most younger people really don't have a clue to the reality of the world.

I cannot forget what I learned working intelligence. Or, the sweet warm greeting I received when I came home, intentional sarcasm here.

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

The ones that do not go along with that thinking I declared non-Muslims and treated his infidels.

In Islam, you are either one with them or one with the enemy.

Hidden In Him · Dec 6, 2018

Enoch111 said:
Had there been anyone (among the national leaders) in the West with the perception and the guts to properly understand Radical Islam (and the Koran), they would have announced repeatedly since 1970 that Islam was AT WAR with the West, and it would be fought until one side or the other succumbed. Therefore the West must take appropriate action, which would have included shutting out all Muslims from gaining entry into Western nations.

I would certainly agree that the 70s are when things turned. Islam was actually making strides in becoming far more moderate, but then everything started going south.

Enoch111 said:
It made absolutely no sense to go into Afghanistan and Iraq to waste billions of dollars and thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of lives, when the solution was simpler -- all Muslims to be barred from the West, and no mosques permitted to be built. Border security was (and is) the primary issue, yet has been woefully neglected.

The problem with implementing something like this is that it would only further alienate those Muslim nations who are not yet completely on board with the more radical platform, as well as individual citizens who might still be on the fence.

But it's honestly a no-win situation, IMO. Aside from some sort of turn around where the more moderate side started gaining in popularity again, I think they are on a mission to establish a worldwide Caliphate, and they will succeed at doing so eventually.

Hidden In Him · Dec 6, 2018

CoreIssue said:
I don't agree most are moral decent people. Moral decent people do not lie to your face. They do not fund terrorists.

I suppose I meant decent moral people in the way they conduct themselves in other respects. My wife was best friends with a Muslim man for many years, and after I started going with her, out of respect for me he stopped associating with her as much. But he wasn't very strict, except when it came to observing the Muslim traditions regarding women and things like that. But he had friends who were very strict. And she told me that it is indeed very difficult to tell who's funding terrorism and who isn't, because many of them put on a face, yet they hold meetings in secret and they are very private when it comes to their real views on if Jihad should be supported or not.

CoreIssue · Dec 6, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
I suppose I meant decent moral people in the way they conduct themselves in other respects. My wife was best friends with a Muslim man for many years, and after I started going with her, out of respect for me he stopped associating with her as much. But he wasn't very strict, except when it came to observing the Muslim traditions regarding women and things like that. But he had friends who were very strict. And she told me that it is indeed very difficult to tell who's funding terrorism and who isn't, because many of them put on a face, yet they hold meetings in secret and they are very private when it comes to their real views on if Jihad should be supported or not.

Years ago one of my coworkers was a Muslim. Everybody thought he was a great guy etc..

In a group discussion one day I asked Hamza what would he do if his Imam told him to kill Dan, another coworker. Without hesitation he said he would kill him.

Dan and the others freaked out but the stood fast on killing him.

I have been a special guest at interfaith meetings put on by Muslims that included many elected officials from local to federal. Also an event at a local mosque. The claim being to hear election speeches but the fact was trying to convert us to Islam.

So I don't talk from theory, but fact.

brakelite · Dec 6, 2018

I have often wondered if the average next door neighbour Muslim who goes about his business and would steadfastly refuse to hurt as much as a red back, is in fact a true Muslim, and not an apostate?
Incidentally, many Muslims are having dreams and visions of Christ and Him crucified, and coming to Him as a result, joining their local church, and are put under severe pressure and abuse, sometimes physical, from family and former friends.

Enoch111 · Dec 6, 2018

brakelite said:
I have often wondered if the average next door neighbour Muslim who goes about his business and would steadfastly refuse to hurt as much as a red back, is in fact a true Muslim, and not an apostate?

According to the demonic Radical Muslims, those who do not follow their interpretation of the Koran (which is evidently the correct interpretation) are indeed apostates. But when push comes to shove, none of them will oppose the Koran or Islam. After all the Koran is perfectly clear about jihad and the infidels.

And you are correct. Many Muslims have been directly confronted by the Lord Jesus Christ and have been converted on that basis.

CoreIssue · Dec 6, 2018

brakelite said:
I have often wondered if the average next door neighbour Muslim who goes about his business and would steadfastly refuse to hurt as much as a red back, is in fact a true Muslim, and not an apostate?
Incidentally, many Muslims are having dreams and visions of Christ and Him crucified, and coming to Him as a result, joining their local church, and are put under severe pressure and abuse, sometimes physical, from family and former friends.

Many Muslims have converted to Christianity. But not from dreams and visions, but the life risking work of other former Muslims and others.

Within Islam there is a lot of divisions they do not like to admit to and often call each other non-Muslim.

Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

Naomi25 said:
Ok...you do realise that what you say 95% of time makes zero sense. I mean, what the heck does Anabaptists and autism have to do with anything?

Life, more abundantly imo, but bam go with your own standards miss N, it was just an observation k

Naomi25 said:
My point was, if you recall, since you asked if I was Islamaphobic

ah no, i didn't, wadr

Naomi25 said:
That is why Christ told us to go to the Nations: the Great Commision.

you have only read that in English so far though Naomi, and from your favorite scribe to boot, ok

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
It is permitted of Muslims to lie under certain conditions if it will further the cause of Islam, which makes it extremely difficult to trust even those who seem to be the nicest people on your block, LoL.

see but this is coming from a Christian who is not only cock-sure, but also wishes he was already dead and partying with Jesus (absent from the body and present with the Lord, iow, in heaven of course), when you cannot support this perspective from your own Book even. So your complaints about potential lying are going to be filed with your complaints about potentially getting beheaded, and fwiw i could even Quote to you the same principle about this "lying" from Paul!

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Moral decent people do not lie to your face.

you've been lying to my face since we started interacting though, and that seems completely acceptable

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

look i am faulting no one for being Islamophobic, ok, i understand where it comes from and how you got that way, and how hard the walk out it is, too. It can be framed as Competition over Cooperation, Scarcity Economy, Hegelian Dialectic, Fascism over Anarchy, you name it, but it really doesn't matter. After all, the largest arms dealers on the planet? No one is going to be paying too much attention to their opinions when it matters the most, ok Hegelians?

so if you wanna fight someone bam go fight Muslims, idc, take those fabricated stories about all that amazing Israeli fighting prowess against insurmountable odds and just nevermind that they have all the cutting edge killing machines that we supply to them against ppl with rocks, basically, that they are stealing land from, and mount up already, fine with me. Pretend "Christianity" is the standard for a little bit longer too, if you want, or that most Muslims have a desire to recruit or convert you, even though they aren't the ones knocking on your doors and both of our Books say otherwise, go ahead if you want, it isn't true. No Muslim has ever tried to convert me, even a little, and no Muslim has ever tried to convert you either. It's crap ok

Hidden In Him · Dec 7, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
see but this is coming from a Christian who is not only cock-sure, but also wishes he was already dead and partying with Jesus

Well yes.

That's accurate.

bbyrd009 said:
when you cannot support this perspective from your own Book even.

Ok, how did we make this jump? I see another long conversation coming, LoL.

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
Well yes. That's accurate.

i know see, and that you say that so proudly is why you will be more forgiven, too,
but that will not save you from the consequences of the fact that you cannot Quote Paul saying
"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," no matter how much you believe that you can.
If you think you can, just try, and see

Hidden In Him said:
Ok, how did we make this jump? I see another long conversation coming, LoL.

long conversation? Just start Quoting if you believe you can support the position, and let's see ok, but i can already tell you how the convo will go, i can even pinpoint the moment when you will effectively leave the convo and start preaching Absolute Truth as though it were actually true, bc you have to believe that Paul said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," see, you have no choice, and the same principle is going to xfer to those other vv

Hidden In Him · Dec 7, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
i know see, and that you say that so proudly is why you will be more forgiven, too,
but that will not save you from the consequences of the fact that you cannot Quote Paul saying
"to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," no matter how much you believe that you can.
If you think you can, just try, and see

You may have to try that one again. I didn't follow you.

bbyrd009 said:
long conversation? Just start Quoting if you believe you can support the position, and let's see ok, but i can already tell you how the convo will go, i can even pinpoint the moment when you will effectively leave the convo and start preaching Absolute Truth as though it were actually true, bc you have to believe that Paul said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," see, you have no choice, and the same principle is going to xfer to those other vv

Ok.... I'll have to go back and find your statement. I forgot what it was. Gimme a sec.

Hidden In Him · Dec 7, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
see but this is coming from a Christian who is not only cock-sure, but also wishes he was already dead and partying with Jesus (absent from the body and present with the Lord, iow, in heaven of course), when you cannot support this perspective from your own Book even.

So you are saying I cannot support the position that the word teaches the resurrection? Or that the word teaches ascending to Heaven after death? Oh... I get it. You don't believe in the latter, correct?

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
You may have to try that one again. I didn't follow you.

Paul is actually making fun of the pov in that passage, condemning it

bbyrd009 · Dec 7, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
So you are saying I cannot support the position that the word teaches the resurrection? Or that the word teaches ascending to Heaven after death? Oh... I get it. You don't believe in the latter, correct?

sure i do; when you have accomplished the death that was meant, at your baptism, and found the kingdom of heaven within you

CoreIssue · Dec 7, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
you've been lying to my face since we started interacting though, and that seems completely acceptable

Go take your meds.

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