I think this misunderstanding of God's Justice is the very reason the parable of the early and late hired workers who all got the same pay, sat (and still sits) so wrong with the standard idea of "Justice."
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It's interesting that Adam is not mentioned in the list of those who were justified by faith in Hebrews 11.
The point is that one should be content with what God sovereignly gives and allows, and not pursue grudges because something is supposedly not "fair".
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"The Righteous Vindicated!" What is that? Is not a sinner brought into God's arms, far more "vindication" against Satan, than forever "burning the poor slob" right alongside Satan?
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Judas was the son of perdition. He alone is said to go to his own place. (Acts 1:25) The anti-christ is also called the son of perdition. Thus I believe it is quite possible that Judas and the man of sin, are one in the same.
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Willie, you seem to have a problem with scripture. 2 Thessalonians 1:4-10 says this:4 we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and afflictions that you endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense affliction to those who afflict you; 7 And to you who are afflicted rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Truthfully now, does it not frost you to imagine that despite all he did, Judas might be sitting in Heaven, right now, having gotten "Scott Clean" away with it all.... never even having his big toe singed for just a few minutes?
According to the Bible, we are supposed to rejoice at that thought, are we not?
It's really connected with justification. There is a commentary on Romans 3 entitled: 'The Cross, the Vindication of God'.
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Honestly before the Lord Jesus Christ, Willie, I would be happy for him. It would mean he truly did repent before God and God somehow overlooked the fact that he took his own life, which was not his to take. I just don't think it will happen.
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“The mother of all living” yet she is the one whom was ‘deceived’. So what mother of “all living” is she? of the deceived? Those before Christ?or after?
Who is the mother of the “living” in Christ then? If she (Eve) declares Adams belief and trust at (Genesis 3:20) as the “Mother of all living” then how or where does Galatians 4:26 fit? “But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
Since Eve is the “mother of all living”...she is also Judas’s mother.
THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE BIBLE. We are not to do as we so often do, and select verses from here and there to prove something. But rather, we are to absorb and understand the Bible as a WHOLE. And I think the main thrust is that God is love.
No, I didn't "qualify" it by saying "If he repented". I said no matter what he said or didn't say about it...…..
I know that I have 'natural' instincts that want to see something that satisfies me before I accept it as fine. I am not yet fully changed in that respect. More power to those who say they are.
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Son of perdition. The Son of God. Which is Adam considered? If you say the Son of God...then isn’t that saying that sin entered into the world by the Son of God and death by sin; so death passed upon all men by the Son of God...
Romans 5:12
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Adam was placing faith in God's statement concerning the seed promises in (Gen. 3:15). Eve would be the mother of all the 'living' The living being those who are of God, as contrast to those who are not of God. As Christ told the man in (Luke 9:60), "let the dead bury the dead". There are those walking around on earth who are the dead. There are those walking around on earth now who are the living.
Eve also placed faith in those same promises, though misdirected. (Gen. 4:1) "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD."
Concerning (Gal. 4:26), that is the origin of the believing. Jerusalem which is above. But concerning our origin into the human race, we are from Eve, found in the Seed promise in (Gen. 3:15). It is not that we are born of Eve, but Eve bare the Seed, in Whom all the redeemed will be found in. We are of that seed.
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Adam is a Son of God. Adam is not The Son of God. Yes, sin entered into the world by Adam who is a son of God.
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No. You are not following. The living are of Eve in that they are found in the Seed promise. Judas is not of the living. He is the son of perdition. He is not in the Seed promise. From Eve come all who will be born in the earth. But the living are found in the Seed promise. The dead are of their father also, satan. They too come from Eve but not of the Seed.
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And God redeemed All. Why is that so offensive? 1 Peter 2:10
[10] Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Romans 11:31-33
[31] Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. [32] For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. [33] O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Because of their “unbelief” we believe so that Mercy is shown to those that do not believe in Mercy.
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