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eternalarcadia

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A few questions here...If God lives in the future and knows who is going to heaven and who is going to hell, then how do our decisions have an impact on what the outcome will be if it's already decided...?Any choice that we make has no effect on his plan because his plan has been set. Therefore, is is not possible for someone destined for hell to be saved. Correct? If I'm wrong here, show me scriptures.
 

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A few questions here...If God lives in the future and knows who is going to heaven and who is going to hell, then how do our decisions have an impact on what the outcome will be if it's already decided...?Any choice that we make has no effect on his plan because his plan has been set. Therefore, is is not possible for someone destined for hell to be saved. Correct? If I'm wrong here, show me scriptures.
God doesn't live in the future, God is infinite. The same time that we live in doesn't impact God. So God is living in our past, present, and future. He does know our future, but He doesn't control us. Therefore we are free to make our own decisions, and therefore it's true free will.I'm sure you've heard the verses, "I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last. etc."
 

Alistein

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God inhabits eternity which as has been said is infinite.Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Nothing is decided as long as there is a freewill. Knowledge doesn't necessarily have to affect destiny. God has no intention of seeing any perish He wants all to be saved yet this is not happening even though He wills for everyone to be saved not everyone is saved so in a way your decisions do have an impact on the outcome and on His plan. jn3:16, 12:47 No one is destined for Hell or more appropriately everlasting fire they end up there by their own choosing since it wasn't even prepared for people. Mt 25:41
 

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Nothing is decided as long as there is a freewill. Knowledge doesn't necessarily have to affect destiny. 25:41
So if its not decided then that would mean God does not live in the future...
 

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So if its not decided then that would mean God does not live in the future...
Like I said, God lives in the past, present, and future at once. God knows everything that will happen. But God does not control our lives, we do. God gave us a chance to worship whoever we want. It is freewill.During the great white throne judgment, we will be held accounted for what we did with our lives.
 

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So if its not decided then that would mean God does not live in the future...
God is beyond space and time before any of this existed He did He is beyond them. Like I said he inhabits eternity which covers time past,present future and beyond.
 

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God creates all to serve him.Humans have corrupted that. We have strived far. Personally I am sick of people thinking about pre-destination. I believe it is our church. We have that choice to serve God. Sure God knows we won't. But we made the choice not him. What is the point of a mindless robot who follows God because he was made to and not out of love. To worship God is to love him. God LOVES love. Love covers a multitude of sins. So what I am getting to is,God wanted true worship free will,that is where we come a long. I really wish we would all,but that is yours,mine and his/her choice. Alpha and the Omega. Do not try to look for reasons why your not believing or having faith. Just accept God does love you and wants you next to him.
 

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Hi.. I am a newbie here but let me share my view on this...Biblical solution for this, at least the way I believe, is found in the famous and simple verse of John 3:16. For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son. That WHOSOEVER believes on Him shall not perrish but have ever lasting life...(emphasis mine)Now, here is the problem. If God knows the past, present and future, then only those who are predestined by Him can be saved??For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.(Rom 8:29)hmm.. huh? Well, then these two verses in contradiction? I don't believe so. If John 3:16 read "God so loved the world... that some who believe" or "those who are predestined to believe on Him" then the logic stands. But it reads "WHOSOEVER believes on Him shall" be saved. This can be easily understood this way. God knows the future, including who will be saved. Problem is we don't. We human beings don't have that capacity. The only way to find out if I am predestinated or not, is to be WHOEVER that Bible describes. If I became one of those whoever believes in Jesus, and as Bible says I am saved, then I found myself to be predestined by Him. I heard someone used this illustration before. Predestination is like a gate. Before you are saved, inscription of the gate reads "whosoever enters this gate shall be saved". When you go through it and turn around to face the gate you have just gone through, you would read another inscription saying "you are predestined". If so, Romans 8:29 is more understandable where it says "...also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son". His predestination is valid, but it doesn't mean we don't have a choice. Our choice is to whether we would be the "whoever" that Bible refers to. If we do, then we find out we are predestined to be like Jesus as Bible promises "when we see Him face to face, we shall be like Him".
 

Christina

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Takaki has it pretty much right to my understanding God created all souls at one time he did foreknow us he did predestine some to do his bidding. all have free will, the Elect are predestined I think Paul is good example of this he became an adult following his free will persecuting Christians, But God had predestined him for a particular destiny and called him until he came to hear his father. Paul could have chosen not to listen but God knew how to make impossable for him to deny him. So there are those that are predestinedBut all have free will and anyone who believes upon him is saved
 

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Takaki has it pretty much right to my understanding God created all souls at one time he did foreknow us he did predestine some to do his bidding. all have free will, the Elect are predestined I think Paul is good example of this he became an adult following his free will persecuting Christians, But God had predestined him for a particular destiny and called him until he came to hear his father. Paul could have chosen not to listen but God knew how to make impossable for him to deny him. So there are those that are predestinedBut all have free will and anyone who believes upon him is saved
You make it sound like paul had no choice. He certainly could have chosen not to follow after Jesus after seeing Christ after all many witnessed the miracles done by Jesus and still did not believe like the Chief priests and much like in the old testament after God had made himself known through so many wonders Pharoah defied Him just like Korah and some Isrealites. I think Takaki is right. It is those he knew(saved) that he pre-destined not to be saved but to be conformed to the image of His Son. This passage did not say He pre-detinated anyone to salvation but that He pre-destined the saved. God wills for everyone to be saved but your freewill decides whether you will or not. Those that are saved are known of God. Besides if God pre-destined some then He can't be fair now can He after He has said He is no respecter of persons. I might be misjudging your post but this are just my thoughts.