OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
But you have "cast pearls before swine" since you are on this website and trying to convince others that don't believe and will never believe what you preach. That is generally the meaning. You, Jane Doe, are offering (what you think) is valuable Truth to those that don't appreciate it or value it soooo you DO cast pearls before swine.

This^ is complete nonsense and couldn't be further from the truth.

Marymog said:
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave.

Bible study Mary

I REALLY don't like placing people on "ignore". Hence, why I keep trying with you, keep trying to have you actually see me or anyone else here on the forum-- to show the Christ-like love and humility I know Catholicism teaches. But you are persistently refusing to. And I am very close to just placing you on "ignore".

CoreIssue · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
I never said falling from grace was abandoning the faith. I am only pointing out your contradicting statement.....

I agree that if a Christian abandons their faith by converting to atheism that is not a fall from grace.

However, if one goes back to atheism and professes it until the moment they die do you believe they fall from Gods grace? Or will God show them grace and allow them into heaven?

Mary

Add to that if they did such a thing they were neither saved or Christian to start with.

CoreIssue · Dec 11, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
This^ is complete nonsense and couldn't be further from the truth.

I REALLY don't like placing people on "ignore". Hence, why I keep trying with you, keep trying to have you actually see me or anyone else here on the forum-- to show the Christ-like love and humility I know Catholicism teaches. But you are persistently refusing to. And I am very close to just placing you on "ignore".

We are to witness to others. No guarantee they will ever be saved. Some sow, some water and some harvest. The see the falls on infertile soil may sprout but it will die.

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
This^ is complete nonsense and couldn't be further from the truth.

I REALLY don't like placing people on "ignore". Hence, why I keep trying with you, keep trying to have you actually see me or anyone else here on the forum-- to show the Christ-like love and humility I know Catholicism teaches. But you are persistently refusing to. And I am very close to just placing you on "ignore".

How is it complete non-sense? If you knew what it means to cast pearls before a swine you would know that is what you (and me) are doing on this website.

Scripture says if one refuses to listen to the church then treat them as a heathen and tax collector. If you believe you speak for the church then by all means....fulfill scripture.

Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
How is it complete non-sense? If you knew what it means to cast pearls before a swine you would know that is what you (and me) are doing on this website.

I did NOT come here to " trying to convince others that don't believe and will never believe what you preach".

I honestly love and respect other's people's beliefs, including my Catholic friends. I listen and chat WITH them (not AT them) and respect their choice in faith. You have blatantly called such a love as bing sinful and in need of repenting of.

Marymog said:
Scripture says if one refuses to listen to the church then treat them as a heathen and tax collector.

I still love the heathen and tax collector, as Christ did.

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
I did NOT come here to " trying to convince others that don't believe and will never believe what you preach".

I honestly love and respect other's people's beliefs, including my Catholic friends. I listen and chat WITH them (not AT them) and respect their choice in faith. You have blatantly called such a love as bing sinful and in need of repenting of.

I still love the heathen and tax collector, as Christ did.

Why are you here then?

I don't respect the "choice" to ignore scripture.....like the people who accept abortion and gay marriage etc. which is clearly a violation of scripture. BTW.....God does not respect that "choice" either.

We should always love others but loving someone is not the same as revealing them as a wolf in sheep's clothing, false prophet, someone who twists scripture or who leads the faithful astray. Recognize those words?

Scripture says that those that do not abide in the teaching of Christ do not have God. And, whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. We are told that if anyone comes to us and does not bring this teaching do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Bible study Mary

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
I still love the heathen and tax collector, as Christ did.

Christ loved the heathen and tax collector but what did he do or say to those that rebuked him? Did he chase after them? Did he tell them to keep hanging around Him until they finally see it his way?

Bible study Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
Why are you here then?

To LISTEN to the other people share their love of Christ and the great experiences they've had with Him. To better love each of them. And t0 (when it's welcomed and desired) to share my own love of Christ and experiences. I feel a real Christ-like love to other people. If the Spirit whispers to them, then that is a win for the Spirit, and have nothing to do with me.

I find that those that just blindly preach *at* people only love their ego (doesn't matter if they're Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc). They only love their ego, and never the other person.

Heb 13:8 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
I never said falling from grace was abandoning the faith. I am only pointing out your contradicting statement.....

I agree that if a Christian abandons their faith by converting to atheism that is not a fall from grace.

However, if one goes back to atheism and professes it until the moment they die do you believe they fall from Gods grace? Or will God show them grace and allow them into heaven?

Mary

Well, where is my contradicting statement. I said falling from grace for a believer is the same as quenching the spirit, not losing salvation. If they go back to atheism until they die they were never born again to begin with, they never had the root of salvation. They had knowledge of the faith, but never received it (which is abandoning the faith, faith being the noun).

The only way to get to heaven is to confess and believe, become born again Jhn 3:3, Rom 10:9. But most choose to work for the free gift, don't know how to rest in His finished work i guess

Heb 13:8 · Dec 11, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Read it. God foreknew all who would love him and he predestined them all the way to glorification.

Predestination is not Calvinism. Calvinism says God preplanned would love him.

Right, God has a purpose for the Great Commission because everyone has a choice to come to faith, Jhn 3:3 Rom 10:9

The Great Commission
(Mark 16:14-18)

16Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
To LISTEN to the other people share their love of Christ and the great experiences they've had with Him. To better love each of them. And t0 (when it's welcomed and desired) to share my own love of Christ and experiences. I feel a real Christ-like love to other people. If the Spirit whispers to them, then that is a win for the Spirit, and have nothing to do with me.

I find that those that just blindly preach *at* people only love their ego (doesn't matter if they're Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc). They only love their ego, and never the other person.

If you are here to 'listen" do you ever visit or engage in the debates on the debate forum?

Jesus and the Apostles preached AT people? Do you think they "love their ego"?

Curious Mary

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Well, where is my contradicting statement. I said falling from grace for a believer is the same as quenching the spirit, not losing salvation. If they go back to atheism until they die they were never born again to begin with, they never had the root of salvation. They had knowledge of the faith, but never received it (which is abandoning the faith, faith being the noun).

The only way to get to heaven is to confess and believe, become born again Jhn 3:3, Rom 10:9. But most choose to work for the free gift, don't know how to rest in His finished work i guess

If you can't see your contradicting statement....I can't help you.

No, that is not the only way to heaven. It is if you only PARTIALLY quote scripture or don't know ALL of scripture.

Ready to get back to the OSAS theory that was developed 500 years ago? I am....

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
Jesus and the Apostles preached AT people? Do you think they "love their ego"?

Christ had an intimate love and understanding of every single person He talked *to*.

You do not.

CoreIssue · Dec 11, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Right, God has a purpose for the Great Commission because everyone has a choice to come to faith, Jhn 3:3 Rom 10:9

The Great Commission
(Mark 16:14-18)

16Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

God also knew all of those who would love him under the law of conscience, Mosaic law, the future new covenant to the houses of Israel and Judah, tribulation saints and the non-Israel saints in the MK.

Why are you trying to limit It to church only?

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
Christ had an intimate love and understanding of every single person He talked *to*.

You do not.

I am not Him therefore I can not have what He has.

Based on your theory Jesus and the Apostles loved their own ego because they preached TO people.

If you are here to 'listen" do you ever visit or engage in the debates on the debate forum?

Patient Mary

Heb 13:8 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
If you can't see your contradicting statement....I can't help you.

No, that is not the only way to heaven. It is if you only PARTIALLY quote scripture or don't know ALL of scripture.

Ready to get back to the OSAS theory that was developed 500 years ago? I am....

I can't see it no, so if you could point it out

Well, yes it is. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, who are you trusting in to get you there, buddah?

Mary, it';s not a theory its rather the result of what Jesus already accomplished on the cross for you. many won't believe so they have to work for it

Heb 13:8 · Dec 11, 2018

CoreIssue said:
God also knew all of those who would love him under the law of conscience, Mosaic law, the future new covenant to the houses of Israel and Judah, tribulation saints and the non-Israel saints in the MK.

Why are you trying to limit It to church only?

Right, God knew in the OT also, if God knew does that mean we stop preaching

Marymog · Dec 11, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
I can't see it no, so if you could point it out

Well, yes it is. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, who are you trusting in to get you there, buddah?

Mary, it';s not a theory its rather the result of what Jesus already accomplished on the cross for you. many won't believe so they have to work for it

It is not surprising to me you can't see it......

You didn't say Jesus Christ was the only way to get to heaven. Re-read your post #349 to see what you REALLY SAID.

It is a theory....Look up the definition of the word.

Are you ready to get back to the OSAS theory?

Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 11, 2018

Marymog said:
I am not Him therefore I can not have what He has.

You can never feel the full love He does, but you could make effort on that front. Things like listening and seeing them would be good starting point.

Marymog said:
Based on your theory Jesus and the Apostles loved their own ego because they preached TO people.

Nonsense: they loved, understood, and talk *to* people. World's difference.

Marymog said:
If you are here to 'listen" do you ever visit or engage in the debates on the debate forum?

Yep, I do listen to people there. I have learned much about what other members of the forum believe, and increased my love towards them. For example, Taken and I've talked much the last few days and I now better understand his/her views and better love him/her.

Whom has YOU listened to here, Mary? Tell me about the greater understanding and love you feel towards a member of the forum here.

CoreIssue · Dec 11, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Right, God knew in the OT also, if God knew does that mean we stop preaching

Of course not. Free will still exist. Someone has to make a choice for God for him tonight for know who loves him,

But it also means there was no gospel for those who came to God under conscience. They didn't know the Holy Spirit, Christ etc. they had no Bible.

They had their conscious in the Holy Spirit and if God wills it angelic visits.

Totally different from today. Totally different under Mosaic law and will be totally different in the future.

God is not limited to one way.

OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross

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