Ironic. We started talking about Muslim beheadings and finished losing our own trying to get inside bbyrd''s.
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i only have a sec, my meaning here--which is really clarified in the pertinent google searches imo--is that if you can accept "Unknown God" as your father a la the Ninevites, and understand why Zeus worshippers are not treated the same as say Dagon or Molech worshippers, then maybe the statement clarifies.
"Allah is your Father" in the same sense, although i would not usually say that to Team Christian of course, but pls understand the point; there is only one God, and i tell you that many will come from East and West and recline at the table with Abe etc right? The Roman Centurion, for instance; Surely a Mithraist, yes?
but wadr as long as you hold a, um, Competitive pov in life, you will natch also hold one in death, and our mutually exclusive definitions of "saved" and even "eternal" also figure in here i guess. To a Determinist who has accepted that Christianity is the standard and seeks the correct religion to belong to, to please God, surely i am a troll. This pov comes from a certain interpretation of "one way," right? Which is being read logically and not dialectically, exactly as was intended imo.
i'll holla when i get to Colo, hope this maybe clarified my pov a little
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Indeed, each of us must stand on what we believe even though it most certainly will NOT agree with every other believer in Christ. If we are sincere and we need to be changed, God will change us. Praise His name!
All Muslims have been beheaded. Chanting Islamic, satanic mantras hours daily since childhood effectively beheads the two legged cattle just as surely as a sword.
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Maybe so!! If the shoe fits....
Against whom? bbyrd009 don't make me laugh!
As for your comment:- < Or are you all so in over your heads on PC/tolerance language, that you are willing to let everything slide until nothing has even the slightest value anymore!? >
How on earth do you deem to know what any of us think about PC/tolerance!!
I know no one on this site who embraces it!!
You obviously do not read many posts on this site do you. Most of us lean toward hearing what God says in any given situation.
King David was not "politically correct" when he ran into the Tabernacle and came out with the holy shew bread because his army was starving.
God did not strike him dead. That was a 'given situation' David's confidence was obviously in his relationship with His Heavenly Father. Not in the letter of the law.
He is allowed to express himself.
Jesus promised to be with us always..HE IS HERE in spirit with us...and NO, we can't see Him ...He dwells within us all.
Rom 8:9-
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.".
What bbyrd009 is talking about...is all those that are' waiting' for some day in the sweet by and by , when they will then "be with" Jesus.
But , that is supposed to be our DAILY experience!!!
Oh come on, so what! ...he is not alone in that, far from it.
I can name some others on this Site that don't believe in the trinity either ..where have you been??? There have been many threads about the Trinity. Find them.
So obviously by what you say, it sounds like you would want all those from this site who don't believe like you do, to be thrown off the Site!! Just because they don't believe that the bible is saying what you say , or what some man has says that it says.
Go and find all the many threads that we have had on this site. Do some reading.
You obviously don't read much here, neither you have not got to know the HEARTS of the people here!!
Do you REALLY believe that when we all stand before our Father, that you will have "front seat" because you believe everything that is orthodox ?
Really, when distilled right down, what you are saying is. = Lets stone bbyrd009 because he does not believe correctly..he is not orthodox .
...many on here are not orthodox.
But, my friend, in everything I read in God's Word...God is much more interested in the hearts of men than in their "perfect doctrine" ( Case in point the Luke 18
"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican....one orthodox one heart aware...
"..for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." That is heart, not doctrine.
Jesus left us with the Two Great Commandment on LOVE, not doctrine!!
You may manage to out-doctrine bbyrd009 , but how will you do when your heart and his heart are measured? ( Ever read 1 Corinthians 13 ?? ♥︎ Try it a few times.)
The thing is Naomi... I think you misunderstand what a Christian Forum is all about. If you are wanting to read "perfect Orthodox Doctrine" then Christians forums are not for you. These are discussion threads...we are actually allowed to discuss how what we believe and why.
You will not enjoy forums if you look for everyones doctrine neat and tidy.
Then what on earth would we discuss?
We are entitled to share what we believe and why we see scripture a certain way. As long as we don't try and beat someone else over the head with some 'off beat' thing that we personally believe.
God's word needs no defence!! God IS God.
Do you really believe that man can defend God word?
He has kept that which is His. It has lasted since the beginning .
The wise man in Acts Gamaliel Did not wring his hands and and panic because he heard something which he disliked. He said :-
"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."
Wise word, no panic. He knew that God always has the last word.
I did not object to your abjection to the unorthodox...I objected to your attack in posting so angrily against bbyrd009 himself. When having obviously not read anything good that he had ever posted, and you objected because that he has "Christian" on his avatar. I objected to your objection!.....and Because it was personal!! Before his own Master bbyrd009 stands or falls, not before you.
Maybe he does not fit your "Christian Box " then as I said, just go and read some of the other threads...probably many others here don't measure up either.
If this posts gets me banned and thrown off the site...then so be it.
I am obviously in the wrong place. My "Christianity " is of the heart, not of orthodoxy.
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Yes. I think the next time he makes such a gracious offer I'm going to decline, LoL.
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Lord, help us never lose sight of the gift of Jesus.
When the hectic nature of this season grabs for our attention, help us to shift our affections toward Your kindness in sending us a Saviour. Set our gaze on You and turn our hearts to Your goodness this Christmas time.
Thank You, Lord, for Your unspeakable Gift!
When the hectic nature of this season grabs for our attention, help us to shift our affections toward Your kindness in sending us a Saviour. Set our gaze on You and turn our hearts to Your goodness this Christmas time.
Thank You, Lord, for Your unspeakable Gift!
No worries. If he can mess with our heads, we get to mess with his a little too. After all, what's family for!
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Maybe so!! If the shoe fits....
Against whom? bbyrd009 don't make me laugh!
As for your comment:- < Or are you all so in over your heads on PC/tolerance language, that you are willing to let everything slide until nothing has even the slightest value anymore!? >
How on earth do you deem to know what any of us think about PC/tolerance!!
I know no one on this site who embraces it!!
You obviously do not read many posts on this site do you. Most of us lean toward hearing what God says in any given situation.
King David was not "politically correct" when he ran into the Tabernacle and came out with the holy shew bread because his army was starving.
God did not strike him dead. That was a 'given situation' David's confidence was obviously in his relationship with His Heavenly Father. Not in the letter of the law.
He is allowed to express himself.
Jesus promised to be with us always..HE IS HERE in spirit with us...and NO, we can't see Him ...He dwells within us all.
Rom 8:9-
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.".
What bbyrd009 is talking about...is all those that are' waiting' for some day in the sweet by and by , when they will then "be with" Jesus.
But , that is supposed to be our DAILY experience!!!
Oh come on, so what! ...he is not alone in that, far from it.
I can name some others on this Site that don't believe in the trinity either ..where have you been??? There have been many threads about the Trinity. Find them.
So obviously by what you say, it sounds like you would want all those from this site who don't believe like you do, to be thrown off the Site!! Just because they don't believe that the bible is saying what you say , or what some man has says that it says.
Go and find all the many threads that we have had on this site. Do some reading.
You obviously don't read much here, neither you have not got to know the HEARTS of the people here!!
Do you REALLY believe that when we all stand before our Father, that you will have "front seat" because you believe everything that is orthodox ?
Really, when distilled right down, what you are saying is. = Lets stone bbyrd009 because he does not believe correctly..he is not orthodox .
...many on here are not orthodox.
But, my friend, in everything I read in God's Word...God is much more interested in the hearts of men than in their "perfect doctrine" ( Case in point the Luke 18
"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican....one orthodox one heart aware...
"..for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." That is heart, not doctrine.
Jesus left us with the Two Great Commandment on LOVE, not doctrine!!
You may manage to out-doctrine bbyrd009 , but how will you do when your heart and his heart are measured? ( Ever read 1 Corinthians 13 ?? ♥︎ Try it a few times.)
The thing is Naomi... I think you misunderstand what a Christian Forum is all about. If you are wanting to read "perfect Orthodox Doctrine" then Christians forums are not for you. These are discussion threads...we are actually allowed to discuss how what we believe and why.
You will not enjoy forums if you look for everyones doctrine neat and tidy.
Then what on earth would we discuss?
We are entitled to share what we believe and why we see scripture a certain way. As long as we don't try and beat someone else over the head with some 'off beat' thing that we personally believe.
God's word needs no defence!! God IS God.
Do you really believe that man can defend God word?
He has kept that which is His. It has lasted since the beginning .
The wise man in Acts Gamaliel Did not wring his hands and and panic because he heard something which he disliked. He said :-
"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."
Wise word, no panic. He knew that God always has the last word.
I did not object to your abjection to the unorthodox...I objected to your attack in posting so angrily against bbyrd009 himself. When having obviously not read anything good that he had ever posted, and you objected because that he has "Christian" on his avatar. I objected to your objection!.....and Because it was personal!! Before his own Master bbyrd009 stands or falls, not before you.
Maybe he does not fit your "Christian Box " then as I said, just go and read some of the other threads...probably many others here don't measure up either.
If this posts gets me banned and thrown off the site...then so be it.
I am obviously in the wrong place. My "Christianity " is of the heart, not of orthodoxy.
You say I have not read much here, or much of what others or bbyrd says...or maybe even what you have written. And, you say that I am overwhelming consumed by rules on orthodoxy rather than caring for people.
Well...I don't think you've understood me much Helen. Do you know why I think biblical truth matters? Standing for God's truth matters? Truth that I think orthodoxy backs up succicntly, though goodness knows I don't give an toss about being uptight for rules and regulations just for the sake of it.
I'll tell you why I think it matters: it matters because of two things: first God, and his glory...something everyone should seek after first and foremost above every other thing. And second: because of people and their wellbeing. Too many people think God lays downs rules, and 'restrictions' or boundaries on truth because he's harsh, or whatever, never realizing that it is for peoples freedom and joy. The more we wabble away from his truths, his edicts, the more we relax and shrug things off as 'whatever', the more people will pay with misery, suffering and bondage to sin.
But sure, you know, I'm a terrible person, I know, coming on here, quoting scripture to voice my opinions, which for some reason, to you, are less valid than his, or any of the other people who also nag, hedge, snipe or enjoy the good use of sarcasm.
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Well for starters what I have made bold in your quote above is totally not true at all. tut tut... I never said that, and you can't quote me as saying that.
And yes the second comment is correct...I do not understand you. But then again, I never said that I did.
I think all this chatter has run it course anyway. We are just going in circles now.
I wish you well...and God bless you ...and I mean that, it is not 'tongue in cheek' .
See you around the Site. I somehow doubt that we will be posting much to each other.
Take care...Helen.
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So, it's fine for you to speak up about my 'opinions', to make your disdain known about how I voice them and stand for them (which, lets face it Helen, you do do, and have done on several occasions), even though I do my best to couch my opinions with biblical verses to show that I'm not just making this stuff up, and that my objections to other peoples "opinions" are to do with scripture and not due to a personal dislike of them.
If you believe I am "picking on" bbyrd, it is because I have issue with the many unbiblical positions he holds. And I, every time, use scripture, to point out WHY I have a problem. As far as his communication issues go, yes they are frustrating, but I am not alone in thinking this, and I have been trying to give him actual, helpful advice on how someone with social issues can grow in improving these matters...from one social struggler to another. And you also have to admit that in many, many ways, bbryd gives as good as he gets. He is not above mocking people for what they believe. But...that's okay for him, apparently. It's his opinion...right? And opinions are, apparently, to be shared and respected, perhaps above everything else.
But...continue on in telling yourself and everyone else that I am a mean little person who viciously attacks those who are only expressing their opinions. Incidently, that's what I'm voicing as well...I wonder why I don't fall under you umbrella of protection? Could there be a bit of hypocrisy here?
Also...when you slap someone in the face, then tell them you wish them well and hopes God blesses them, they don't tend to take it seriously, sorry. If you truly had issue with me, my behavior or my issues with bbryd, you could have approached me without the slap, or you know, perhaps with a PM, like the bible suggests. The fact that you didn't and led with the right arm, suggests...well, that you really wanted to get that slap in, and for people to see it.
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fwiw it might be helpful to understand your position in Scripture as soon as you say "I am saved."
25he who seeks to save his life shall lose it
so, obv if you say you are "saved" now then you sought to save your life, right.
So when someone tells you that they are "saved," you can confidently assume that...um, Scripture is not misleading anyone, right
25he who seeks to save his life shall lose it
so, obv if you say you are "saved" now then you sought to save your life, right.
So when someone tells you that they are "saved," you can confidently assume that...um, Scripture is not misleading anyone, right
If someone says they were "saved by the bell," they clearly believe in an improper means of salvation, yes?
I think instead of an "alert," we should get warnings when you post on a thread, LoL.
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ok with me gentlemen, i'm not here to dispute with you
not like i could refute those arguments anyway i guess huh
he who seeks to save his life will lose it
regardless
not like i could refute those arguments anyway i guess huh
he who seeks to save his life will lose it
regardless
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if Mithraists with faith can be considered acceptable then i have to wonder what is your point?
That's the point of all that "i tell someone to do this, and they do it" rhetoric i guess Matthew 8:9
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ah, i guess iforrest removed my whole reply to this rather than the little tiny part he found a technical objection to, gee what a surprise. So, apparently i can't reply to you if forrest disagrees now, sorry. You can find me on the web @ "bbyrd009," see you around i hope
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