Response to 20 questions for futurists (part 1)

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

Keraz said:
Jeremiah 31:22b The Lord has created a new thing; a woman will play the part of a man.

Jeremiah 31:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 How long will you wander,
unfaithful Daughter Israel?
The Lord will create a new thing on earth—
the woman will return to the man.”

Eve was taken out of Adam to be his helpmate. In the new Jerusalem that division ends. Neither male nor female.

The Revised English Bible is a gender neutral disaster.

Trekson · Dec 14, 2018

CoreIssue said:
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1135 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
gunhv probably from the base of (1096)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Gune 1:776,134
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
goo-nay' Noun Feminine
Definition

a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow

a wife

of a betrothed woman

Actually, there is a sound, logical reason for 1Tim. 2:11. In those days women sat separately from their husbands or men in general. When the gospel was being preached in the synagogues, it was real news and very different from what the women had always heard, so they would unwittingly disrupt the service by loudly whispering to their husbands across the aisle to explain what this "news" was all about. They liked what, they were hearing and simply couldn't wait to get affirmation from their husbands about what they were really hearing. They were creating a commotion because several women would want to know what's what at the same time. Regarding women teaching over men...All I can say that if it wasn't for the prayers of wives and mothers many husbands or children would not be saved today and many churches would have shut their doors. Also we can't forget that God appointed a woman, Deborah, to be a judge over all of Israel, not just the women.

GTW27 · Dec 14, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
Hey GTW! Good to see you, and welcome to Christianity Board. Heart2Soul said you were thinking about becoming a member. Hope you like it here : )

Yeah someone else referred to timelessness in God I think. But for me that argument losses a little strength when you consider the New Testament writers often put prophetic events into a time sequence (2 Thessalonians 2:2-3) or into a particular future setting that would exist in time (1 Thessalonians 5:3). Even the Lord Himself referenced time sequence in discussing the order of end-times events in passages like Matthew 24:1-51 (see v.32 especially).

I just think for that position to hold weight throughout, it would have to be maintained consistently throughout.

Blessing in Christ Jesus! So that you may, know I bring no argument with me. I bring no theoloqy with me. I gave you an incite into walking in The Spirit. That is all. This is a time of gathering. What has been restrained up until now, will soon be loosed. And many will say" how have we missed this." For out of no wear it will begin. For when the decree comes, and it is coming quickly, theology will not save a person, the reading of many books will not save a person, but only to be found hidden in the shelter of His Wings, and sealed until the day of redemption. So as were the days of Noah, so it is today!

101G · Dec 14, 2018

CoreIssue said:
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1135 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
gunhv probably from the base of (1096)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Gune 1:776,134
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
goo-nay' Noun Feminine
Definition

a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow

a wife

of a betrothed woman

in the name of the Lord Jesus thanks for your reply, and the addition of definition #2. are you straight on what was posted concering the "CONTEXT" of 1 Timothy 2:11 &12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35 with definition #2?

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

Trekson said:
Actually, there is a sound, logical reason for 1Tim. 2:11. In those days women sat separately from their husbands or men in general. When the gospel was being preached in the synagogues, it was real news and very different from what the women had always heard, so they would unwittingly disrupt the service by loudly whispering to their husbands across the aisle to explain what this "news" was all about. They liked what, they were hearing and simply couldn't wait to get affirmation from their husbands about what they were really hearing. They were creating a commotion because several women would want to know what's what at the same time. Regarding women teaching over men...All I can say that if it wasn't for the prayers of wives and mothers many husbands or children would not be saved today and many churches would have shut their doors. Also we can't forget that God appointed a woman, Deborah, to be a judge over all of Israel, not just the women.

You neglected to point out though that the daughters, widows, and other single women also attended those meetings. So was not just for wives.

That does not stop women from praying, teaching children, witnessing to neighbors and a lot more.

As far as Deborah you did not point out she was appointed because no man would take the job. She severely chastised the men for forcing her into position no woman should hold.

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

101G said:
in the name of the Lord Jesus thanks for your reply, and the addition of definition #2. are you straight on what was posted concering the "CONTEXT" of 1 Timothy 2:11 &12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35 with definition #2?

Yes, I am straight.

But are you straight on the fact not all definitions fit every situation? Context determines which part of the definition fits.

The context here is definitely not limited to married women.

Hidden In Him · Dec 14, 2018

GTW27 said:
Blessing in Christ Jesus! So that you may, know I bring no argument with me. I bring no theoloqy with me. I gave you an incite into walking in The Spirit. That is all.

Well not a problem. I like insights into walking in the Spirit, so those sort of posts are welcome. I personally wish it were more a time of gathering than it is. I think unfortunately we still have longer to go than some. But I'm all for gathering rather than dividing. This is the will of God for His own, no matter what time we are in : )

Keraz · Dec 14, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Jeremiah 31:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 How long will you wander,
unfaithful Daughter Israel?
The Lord will create a new thing on earth—
the woman will return to the man.”

Eve was taken out of Adam to be his helpmate. In the new Jerusalem that division ends. Neither male nor female.

The Revised English Bible is a gender neutral disaster.

For Adonai has created something new on earth; a woman with the strength of a man. CJB.
...a woman will protect a man. RSV
Whatever this means, we will only know later.
But I do not see the NIV as the only authority and I strongly object to calling the REB what you have.

I see that the rest of my comments on the OP are ignored.

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

Keraz said:
For Adonai has created something new on earth; a woman with the strength of a man. CJB.
...a woman will protect a man. RSV
Whatever this means, we will only know later.
But I do not see the NIV as the only authority and I strongly object to calling the REB what you have.

I see that the rest of my comments on the OP are ignored.

I have never said the NIV is the only authority.

But any and all gender-neutral writings are liberal distortions and attacks on the word of God.

Adonai is masculine.

The RSV is not considered a good Bible because it is archaic language. Insane protects the man makes no sense nor is it accurate.

Here is the meaning of the word it translates as protect. It does not mean protect. In means to return, come full circle, merge, transform and similar. So the NIV is a solid translation.

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 05437 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
bbo a primitive root
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Cabab TWOT - 1456
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
saw-bab' Verb
Definition

to turn, turn about or around or aside or back or towards, go about or around, surround, encircle, change direction
1. (Qal)
  1. to turn, turn about, be brought round, change
  2. to march or walk around, go partly around, circle about, skirt, make a round, make a circuit, go about to, surround, encompass
2. (Niphal)
  1. to turn oneself, close round, turn round
  2. to be turned over to
3. (Piel) to turn about, change, transform
4. (Poel)
  1. to encompass, surround
  2. to come about, assemble round
  3. to march, go about
  4. to enclose, envelop
5. (Hiphil)
  1. to turn, cause to turn, turn back, reverse, bring over, turn into, bring round
  2. to cause to go around, surround, encompass
6. (Hophal)
  1. to be turned
  2. to be surrounded

It absolutely does not mean play the part of a man.

101G · Dec 14, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Yes, I am straight.

But are you straight on the fact not all definitions fit every situation? Context determines which part of the definition fits.

The context here is definitely not limited to married women.

First thanks for the reply.
second, the context in 1 Timothy 2:11 &12 is a husband and wife setting, if not please point it out.
likewise also in 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35, please point out the "CONTEXT" if my post was in ERROR.

Looking to hear from you.

Ac28 · Dec 14, 2018

All 20 Questions have the same exact answer. Israel hasn't existed as a nation, in God's eyes, since about 64AD, in Acts 28:28, and will be reinstated after 2 days, 2000 years, about 2064. Since ALL OT prophecy involves Israel, there has been no fulfillment of OT prophecy since 64AD. It's as though time stopped for Israel - some call this 2000 year period a parenthesis. With no temple, it is impossible for Israel to keep the Law but, in this sabbatical period where they are not God's people, Hosea 1:9, they don't have to keep the law. In the past, when they were God's people, God has killed Jews who didn't keep the Law. An example is Ananias and Sapphira, for bearing false witness. In Hosea 3:4, it shows Israel's present standing. In Hosea 6:2, it shows Israel will be back after 2 days, 2000 years.

Everything Israel stopped in Ac28:28, when the Salvation of God was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles. Everything was postponed for 2000 years, because of Israel's unbelief in God's Son. It will all be back in about 2064;

God has one goal today. To call out the present Gentile Church, which will be the only people that will ever occupy the highest Heaven Ephesians 2:6, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20. Today's Gentile Church is found ONLY in one place in the Bible, Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon.

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

101G said:
First thanks for the reply.
second, the context in 1 Timothy 2:11 &12 is a husband and wife setting, if not please point it out.
likewise also in 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35, please point out the "CONTEXT" if my post was in ERROR.

Looking to hear from you.

Nothing here limiting it to the husband and wife.

1 Timothy 2 New International Version (NIV)
Instructions on Worship
2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A womana]">[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;b]">[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But womenc]">[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Before you point out the reference to childbirth, other parts of the chapter talk about women dressing with modesty, etc.

So I believe is urging women to marry. Just as other parts of the Bible rich men to marry.

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

Ac28 said:
All 20 Questions have the same exact answer. Israel hasn't existed as a nation, in God's eyes, since about 64AD, in Acts 28:28, and will be reinstated after 2 days, 2000 years, about 2064. Since ALL OT prophecy involves Israel, there has been no fulfillment of OT prophecy since 64AD. It's as though time stopped for Israel - some call this 2000 year period a parenthesis. With no temple, it is impossible for Israel to keep the Law but, in this sabbatical period where they are not God's people, Hosea 1:9, they don't have to keep the law. In the past, when they were God's people, God has killed Jews who didn't keep the Law. An example is Ananias and Sapphira, for bearing false witness. In Hosea 3:4, it shows Israel's present standing. In Hosea 6:2, it shows Israel will be back after 2 days, 2000 years.

I take it you are a believer the full history of man occurs in seven biblical days.

101G · Dec 14, 2018

again, thanks for your reply.

second I'll use your own verson

CoreIssue said:
15 But womenc]">[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

and I saw your foot note, but it changes nothing. because women when they bare a child should, ..... let me say it again, SHOULD be "MARRIED". so your explination want fly.

and to there is nothing in the verse to urge any woman to get married. marriage is not for everyone. I suggest you read 1 Corinthans chapter 7 and matthews chapter 19.....

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

101G said:
again, thanks for your reply.

second I'll use your own verson

and I saw your foot note, but it changes nothing. because women when they bare a child should, ..... let me say it again, SHOULD be "MARRIED". so your explination want fly.

and to there is nothing in the verse to urge any woman to get married. marriage is not for everyone. I suggest you read 1 Corinthans chapter 7 and matthews chapter 19.....

Should and are are not the same thing.

The fact remains nothing in the chapter states it is addressed to man and wife. It includes all women, including unmarried virgins.

101G · Dec 14, 2018

CoreIssue said:
Should and are are not the same thing.

The fact remains nothing in the chapter states it is addressed to man and wife. It includes all women, including unmarried virgins.

ERROR it's address to HUSBAN and WIFE, not MAN and WIFE.......

(*smile)

Good day.

CoreIssue · Dec 14, 2018

101G said:
ERROR it's address to HUSBAN and WIFE, not MAN and WIFE....... (*smile)

Good day.

Ac28 · Dec 14, 2018

CoreIssue said:
I take it you are a believer the full history of man occurs in seven biblical days.

Probably 8.

ScottA · Dec 14, 2018

Trekson said:
1. Why have Christians made failed predictions about the end of the world for 2000 years?
Christians are human and I would like to believe that they so look forward to Christ’s return they create scenario’s and try to fit God’s timing within them. While some have made, imo, a false doctrine out of imminence each generation should have had the expectation and possibility that their’s was the generation in which He would return. One generation will actually have that occur.

Jesus told us that the correct generation was "this generation" (the one living at the time). Paul then confirmed it saying he "was" crucified and "was" raised up with Christ.

ScottA · Dec 14, 2018

Trekson said:
2. If time means nothing to God, why does God constantly use time-restricted statements about the fulfillment of prophecy—such as: must shortly take place, at hand, near, quickly, soon, last times, last hour, last days, this generation, etc.?
He uses time for our benefit, not His. It is beyond our scope to be able to conceive of eternity as He knows it. With that said, there are two time frames to be aware of. The earthly one and the heavenly one. More about this in question 4.

There is no heavenly time frame...no "I was" or "I will be", only "I am."

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