Concerning (Rev. 12:5) there is no resurrection there. The woman in (Rev. 12:1) is Israel. You have only to compare it to (Gen. 37:9-10) "And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold,I have dreamed a dream more; and behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me....What is this that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?"
The woman, Israel, delivered the child, Jesus. (Rev. 12:2) The dragon, satan, attempts to destroy the child, Jesus. He Jesus, is caught up to Heaven, the ascension. (12:4-5) The woman, Israel flees into the wilderness during the last half of the Tribulation. (12:6)
So, this is Israel all the way. The Church has been gone since the end of (Rev. 3). Note that when speaking to the churches, Christ would end by saying "He that hath and ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". (Rev. 2:7, 2:11, 2:17, 2:29, 3:6, 3:13, and 3:22) But later when that statement is made to those who hear, it is stated thus, (Rev. 13:9) "If any man have an ear, let him hear." No more to the churches. The Church is gone.
Verse 5 is usually misunderstood to mean Yeshua because
Revelation 19:15 states that Yeshua will rule with a rod of iron. However,
Revelation 2:27 states that the saints that overcome will also rule with a rod of iron. This means we need more evidence to prove the identity of the male child. "Caught up" comes from the Greek word "harpadzo" meaning to seize, to snatch away, to carry off (suddenly and by force). This forceful seizure of the child needs to be done because Satan is ready to devour it. In Luke 24:51 Yeshua is said to be "carried up into heaven." The Greek for "carried" is "anaphero" not "harpadzo" and it means to take up; to bear upwards. It is not a forceful carrying away. It is a slow, victorious ascent. However, in
1 Thessalonians 4:17 it does mean a forceful snatching. This would put more evidence in favor of the child representing the resurrected saints than Yeshua.
A similar occurrence of the birth of a male child takes place in
Isaiah 66:7-10, "
Before she travailed, she brought forth;
before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For
as soon as Zion travailed , she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith Yahweh: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy mighty one. Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her": Here we see Jerusalem or Zion giving birth to a son
before her labor pains came (vs. 7). Then in verse 8 we see her delivering children after having labor pains. We know these births are speaking about a resurrection because verse 8 says, "shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?" Then we can say, "Shall a nation be born (or resurrected) at once?" What nation is referred to here?
1 Peter 2:9 says the believers are "a holy nation." When all believers are resurrected they will form a holy nation that dwells together all in the same place, not as we do now, each from different nations. Who is the mother of this nation of believers?
Galatians 4:22-28 says that "Jerusalem which is above" is our mother. In the very next verse Paul quotes
Isaiah 54:1 proving that the barren woman, Jerusalem or Zion, would be the mother of a great nation of children. The first child she had that was born or resurrected was Yeshua. He is the male child that is spoken of in
Isaiah 66:7 who was delivered
before labor pains. In
Isaiah 66:9 we see that after Yeshua was born into the kingdom of heaven, Zion's womb was left open because another birth had to occur
after labor pains began. Those labor pains symbolize the great tribulation.
The prophets often compare the suffering of judgment and war with the pain and anguish that accompany childbirth (
Jeremiah 6:24,
25). So if labor pains equate with the great tribulation, which ends before the seven trumpets of Revelation sound, then the birth in Rev.12 occurs
after the woman's labor pains start. In
Revelation 12:2 the woman is in labor which means she cannot be in labor with Yeshua because he was born without labor pains or before the great tribulation. Chapter 12 is a picture of the saints being caught up into heaven at the coming of Yeshua after the seventh trumpet sounds. It is not a picture of Yeshua's earthly birth.
Yes, I tell you to grow up. The Law is for children. Slap their hand when they do wrong. Pat them on the head when they do right. You are trying to live under a program designed for teaching children. (Gal. 3:24)
And you are like a little child who refuses to obey his father's rules. As an adult, I still obey my father's rules. I do not need to be constantly reminded of them. They are always in my mind. I obey them naturally without having to see them written down on paper.
And just like with God there are many names attributed to Jesus Christ. You present yourself in the Pharisee tradition of a holy one who knows the correct name. Everyone else has the names wrong. Foolish. And none of us knows His new name...unless you are telling me you know that also? I sure hope you get it right.
No, I don't know his new name just as you do not know his old/original name.
