Expose on Mormonism.

Helen · Dec 19, 2018

justbyfaith said:
I hate to be blunt with you; but the Jesus that you claim as your Saviour and Lord is not the same Jesus as the Jesus that I read about in the Bible...see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (kjv).

You don't "hate to be blunt with her" that is your choice.

@Jane_Doe22 is on this Forum Site to fellowship...she said that the Welcome thread at the beginning.

She doesn't have to defend or justify what she believes, to you!
Can you not think of starting a thread a bit more edifying?

...Helen

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 19, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
WHY on earth did you even "bite"....
I saw this thread last evening , naked with no post on it ( the thread was naked, not me!! Canada is a bit chilly for that! LOL )

I was hoping that EVERYONE would ignore the thread, especially you.

It amazes me...( well it doesn't really..one gets used to it sadly) that so many people find it much easier to post threads 'against' something, rather than posts which edify and uplift people.
Some would rather speak about what they don't believe, rather than what they do believe.

Bless you...Helen

For me, motivation comes down to extending a hand out to @justbyfaith with the hope that I could help her move beyond the style of thinking that's on the her website (uninformed, unnecessary 'versus' mindset) to actually seeing each other and coming to rejoice in the faith each person has in God. It's that hope-- the hope in the Gospel really, that we don't have to live in ignorance and fear, but instead can acknowledge the miracles God works and the joy/hope He bring.

So I extend out a hand and offer to talk about my love of God, with that hope. If somebody wants to see Christ and rejoice in Him with me, that's great, and our beliefs don't need be identical to shout "joy to the world" together.

On the flip side, if somebody proves to be a person who'd rather take a different path of constant blind attacking rather than being Christ-focused, that's their choice, and they can take it. Doesn't mean I have to listen to them though, and I will use the 'ignore' feature if needed.

mjrhealth · Dec 19, 2018

And people peruse after there religions instead of following after Christ .. all mens religions are part of thE "harlot church" not one of them is right, they all choose a different way to heaven and all preach a different Jesus, and all have there own rules, doctrines that one must abide by... Why are people so scared of Jesus. is HE not your saviour????

Mat_17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

so start listening there is no other way.....

but God said we can worship Him any way we choose just dont demand everyone else do it....

Helen · Dec 19, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
For me, motivation comes down to extending a hand out to @justbyfaith with the hope that I could help her move beyond the style of thinking....

FYI "she" be a he.

Mayflower · Dec 19, 2018

So not in any special way meaning you do believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers? I am just curious.

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 19, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
FYI "she" be a he.

Good to know! Ty.
And ty in general for your great presence on this board.

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 19, 2018

Mayflower said:
So not in any special way meaning you do believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers? I am just curious.

A common anti-Mormon ploy is to say "Mormon believe that Satan and Christ are brothers!" to paint the completely false image that LDS see any amount of equal-ness between the two of them or any special bond whatsoever. That just doesn't exist. And members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints don't sit around church going "ya know Lucifer and Christ are brothers", no. Just no. Honestly such an idea is silly.

Christ is unique. He alone is the Son of God, the only Begotten. The only Perfect Son. The only one who's always walked with the Father and been one with Him.

mjrhealth · Dec 19, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
He alone is the Son of God

not true, God has many Sons

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jesus was the first of Many....

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 19, 2018

mjrhealth said:
not true, God has many Sons

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jesus was the first of Many....

Speaking my beliefs here:
There is a mountain of difference between being the only Son, who's forever walked in the Father's ways.
Others are God's sons, whom come to walk in His ways.

Enoch111 · Dec 19, 2018

mjrhealth said:
not true, God has many Sons

What Jane Doe meant is that Jesus is the only begotten or uniquely begotten Son of God. There is no other son that compares with Christ.

At the same time Mormon theology regarding God is quite different from conservative Christian theology (and I will bypass the details). Indeed their entire system of belief is not Bible Christianity.

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
Bless you...Helen

See 2 John 1:9-11 (kjv).

"ByGrace" said:
She doesn't have to defend or justify what she believes, to you!
Can you not think of starting a thread a bit more edifying?

...Helen

For all you know I am interested in what she believes and wanted to know her response to the attacks against her faith on the website in question.

Now of course we are to be "edifying" in what we preach (I just today read 2 Corinthians 12:19)...

However, there is a time and a place for tearing down that which is not of the Lord (Jeremiah 1:10) so that you can rebuild on that foundation what is of the Lord. Of course, I do not consider myself an expert by any means concerning dealing with Mormons; and so I do not know that I would even be able to build on that foundation anything that I might be able to finish (unless the building that stands on the foundation now were completely demolished; at which point I might be able to build the true Christian faith on a naked foundation).

"ByGrace" said:
@Jane_Doe22 is on this Forum Site to fellowship...she said that the Welcome thread at the beginning.

We are commanded not to fellowship with the unfruitful deeds of darkness in Ephesians 5:11 (but rather to reprove them).

Understanding that a statement like this may even drive you, @"ByGrace" into the very heart of Mormonism, as a reaction to that which you find to be uncouth; I make the statement anyway, knowing that every person is responsible for the choices that they make when they are faced with what the word of God truly says (and they don't like it). And that if you go to hell because you don't like the words of the preacher and are therefore hankering for false doctrine, it is certainly not the preacher's fault; for he was merely speaking forth the words of sound doctrine. It was prophesied that near the end, men would not endure sound doctrine any more; but would heap up for themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. And the preacher who speaks forth ear-itching statements because he wants the person under his authority to continue to listen to him, isn't faithful.

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 19, 2018

Enoch111 said:
What Jane Doe meant is that Jesus is the only begotten or uniquely begotten Son of God. There is no other son that compares with Christ.

Thumbs up to this.

Enoch111 said:
At the same time Mormon theology regarding God is quite different from conservative Christian theology (and I will bypass the details). Indeed their entire system of belief is not Bible Christianity.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you there, but still keep singing "Hawk the herald angels sing" all day long with you.

May God ever continue to be with you this season, as we celebrate Christ's birth (and all other seasons too).

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

Mormonism, in order to be valid, has to become of the same flock and fold as biblical Christianity. (Because they claim as their Bible verse John 10:16)

Unfortunately for it, no real Christian is going to fall for the lie that he or she is going to become a God.

mjrhealth · Dec 19, 2018

Enoch111 said:
At the same time Mormon theology regarding God is quite different from conservative Christian theology (and I will bypass the details). Indeed their entire system of belief is not Bible Christianity.

The problem is, that mens theology and belief is a far cry from who God really is, thats why they spend so much time hiding from Him, as if they could. Now if they would just, tear down the walls they build around themselves, open up all the little boxes they placed Him in, Removed the shackles from His feet they placed there and the irons around His wrists than pulled the sock out of His mouth so that He can speak, than actually listened to Him, than they might get some understanding of "who God is", but who is God to argue with mens ways.....

Gen_6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

cant blame Him one bit....

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

"The Father has a body of flesh and bone as tangible as man's; the Son also, but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones but is a personage of Spirit..."

Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22
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"God was once as we are now and is an exalted man."

Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3
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"Remember that God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child and mortal like we are and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome until He has arrived at the point where He now is."

Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 123
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"When our father Adam came into the Garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body and brought Eve, one of his celestial wives, with him...He is our father and our God and the only God with whom we have to do."

Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, p. 50,
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Brigham Young "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil. So that you may see...It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible."

History of the Church, 6:305, 306
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"I am going to inquire after God, for I want you all to know him and to be familiar with Him...God was once as we are now, an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see...It is the first principal of the Gospel...and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests, the same as all gods before you, namely by going from one small degree to another..."

Times and Seasons, August 1, 1844. Joseph Smith.

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 19, 2018

@justbyfaith , how about you respond to what I wrote and let's have a conversation?

FYI: "Journal of DiscoursesI isn't a LDS doctrinal source and has some issues with it. "History of the Church" is a history book, not a doctrinal source.

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

These things (exposed as the teachings of the Mormon Church in post #35) are spiritual poison.

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
@justbyfaith , how about you respond to what I wrote and let's have a conversation?

FYI: "Journal of DiscoursesI isn't a LDS doctrinal source and has some issues with it. "History of the Church" is a history book, not a doctrinal source.

So Mormons don't believe what is written in these documents?

Do they hold them on any level to be authoritative?

If not, why are they included as Mormon documents?

If so, then you have to understand that certain Mormons will gather doctrine from any source that is held to be authoritative by the Mormon Church.

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

I believe that you would have to acknowledge that the last quote in post #35 is authoritative to you as a Mormon; because it was spoken by your prophet Joseph Smith.

justbyfaith · Dec 19, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
@justbyfaith , how about you respond to what I wrote and let's have a conversation?

Which thing?

Expose on Mormonism.

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