Who is the Whore of babylon

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Hidden In Him

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How do you know what the correct interpretation is

Your answer either may not be coming, or it may take her some time to write out. Most interpretations of Biblical prophecy are highly involved. The thing is, I'm not sure any of us are 100% certain. I feel about 98% certain, and others at this forum likely do as well, but it seems to me that trying to prove the Bible right or wrong through prophecy would only work if you were dealing with prophecies that have already supposedly been fulfilled.

Have you ever pursued that subject? Seems like it would be more in line with what you are seeking to prove out.
 
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1) You keep trying to tag the label to one specific individual/group, when that is not the correct interpretation.

Are you talking about the LDS belief that each seal is 1000 years in the harlot is in the seventh seal in the false religion, not specifically Rome?
 

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If the whore of babylon is ancient pagan rome it means the events of revelation were meant to have taken place in the days of the Roman Empire meaning revelation is wrong

I was reading this from another thread, and I think I see what you are trying to say. See, there are multiple positions within Christendom on the subject of prophecy, and one is called Preterism. Preterism holds that all of the prophecies in Revelations actually were fulfilled during New Testament times, all except the ones about Christ's return. And to their credit, there are indeed a number of things that happened back then that can make it appear that way. I'm not a Preterist, I'm a Futurist, which means I hold that nearly all of it is yet to be fulfilled, but if you are trying to prove the veracity of the Bible one way or another from anything stated in Revelation, you're kinda barking up the wrong tree so to speak. There are mountains of different positions on the question, so at best you would prove your point to one group but not prove it to many others. And with those you proved wrong, if you did so convincingly they would change their position to one that accounted for things actually happening back then like Preterism does, so you'd be back to square one.

What nearly all Christians have in common is faith that the Old and New testaments are indeed the word of God, so it's really just a matter of if our interpretations are correct that is at issue.
 
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I was reading this from another thread, and I think I see what you are trying to say. See, there are multiple positions within Christendom on the subject of prophecy, and one is called Preterism. Preterism holds that all of the prophecies in Revelations actually were fulfilled during New Testament times, all except the ones about Christ's return. And to their credit, there are indeed a number of things that happened back then that can make it appear that way. I'm not a Preterist, I'm a Futurist, which means I hold that nearly all of it is yet to be fulfilled, but if you are trying to prove the veracity of the Bible one way or another from anything stated in Revelation, you're kinda barking up the wrong tree so to speak. There are mountains of different positions on the question, so at best you would prove your point to one group but not prove it to many others. And with those you proved wrong, if you did so convincingly they would change their position to one that accounted for things actually happening back then like Preterism does, so you'd be back to square one.

What nearly all Christians have in common is faith that the Old and New testaments are indeed the word of God, so it's really just a matter of if our interpretations are correct that is at issue.

If the whore of babylon is pagan rome then it means the events of revelation were supposed to have happened in ancient roman times
 

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If the whore of babylon is pagan rome then it means the events of revelation were supposed to have happened in ancient roman times

Yes, Andrew, I understand you. I'm telling you there are interpretations out there that separate out things like the second coming from the rest of it. In other words, they separate out the second coming as set to happen in the future despite the rest of it supposedly having happened already.
 
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I've been told multiple times that the whore of babylon from revelation is the Roman Catholic Church and the vatican yet I have read revelation 17 and 18 multiple times and a better match seems to be pagan rome which took place in the time revelation was written, why do people keep claiming that the whore of babylon is the catholic church when alot of the evidence suggests pagan rome
Hi,

Most biblical scholars believe the whore was either the Roman Empire or Jerusleum. Well before the Reformation, which is when this theory became more popular, it was believed to be the Roman Empire or Jerusalem. The theory that it is the CC is a recent theory that is easily debunked and not accepted by serious scholars. Revelation 18:20 and 18:24 show that the whore had to be a creature of the 1st century.

Historical Mary
 

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Hi,

Most biblical scholars believe the whore was either the Roman Empire or Jerusleum. Well before the Reformation, which is when this theory became more popular, it was believed to be the Roman Empire or Jerusalem. The theory that it is the CC is a recent theory that is easily debunked and not accepted by serious scholars. Revelation 18:20 and 18:24 show that the whore had to be a creature of the 1st century.

Historical Mary
Hi,

Most biblical scholars believe the whore was either the Roman Empire or Jerusleum. Well before the Reformation, which is when this theory became more popular, it was believed to be the Roman Empire or Jerusalem. The theory that it is the CC is a recent theory that is easily debunked and not accepted by serious scholars. Revelation 18:20 and 18:24 show that the whore had to be a creature of the 1st century.

Historical Mary

Most scholars believe it is the RCC.

Rome versus Jerusalem is where the Harlot is located.
 
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Bible symbolism reveals that women represent churches. A chaste woman such as in revelation 12, God's church. Prostitution throughout scripture is depicted as spiritual adultery... Idolatry... Falling away from faithfulness to God in favour of another. Babylon the great, the mother of harlots is one such example of spiritual adultery. But not solely the Catholic church. Joining with her are daughters... Those Protestant churches who rejoin her in her apostasy.
 

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Bible symbolism reveals that women represent churches. A chaste woman such as in revelation 12, God's church. Prostitution throughout scripture is depicted as spiritual adultery... Idolatry... Falling away from faithfulness to God in favour of another. Babylon the great, the mother of harlots is one such example of spiritual adultery. But not solely the Catholic church. Joining with her are daughters... Those Protestant churches who rejoin her in her apostasy.

Women do not represent churches. The seven churches of revelations are not called women.

The woman in revelations 12 is Israel, not church.

The prostitutes mentioned in the Bible are both men and women. Some of the OT temple prostitutes were only men.

Revelation 17:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

Babylon the great

the mother of prostitutes

Mystery Babylon began with Babylon and has grown ever since, as shown by the statue of Daniel. It is did not begin with Catholicism, but reaches back in history to the paganism that became Catholicism and the Roman Empire.
Which in turn will become the restored Roman Empire with Roman pagan religion.

Roman Catholicism is a cult.
 

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"Get out of her my people" .... so whoever she is, she contains God's people today...
That is an injunction to all believers to separate themselves from any kind of false Christianity.
 

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I've been told multiple times that the whore of babylon from revelation is the Roman Catholic Church and the vatican yet I have read revelation 17 and 18 multiple times and a better match seems to be pagan rome which took place in the time revelation was written, why do people keep claiming that the whore of babylon is the catholic church when alot of the evidence suggests pagan rome

The WHORE of Babylon is representative of ALL the Kings (rulers, monarchs, chairmen, presidents, Emperors....or by what ever Title they have)...WHO have had position of "rulership" and "exhibited" and "participated" in "fornication"....ie...---> Corruption, Deception, Thefts, Stealing, Cheating, Lying....etc.

And "by and through" their "position" of titled "power" and "fornicating acts" have "caused" the "people at large" (citizens and occupants under their "ruler"), to become SUBJECT TO, and "STUPEFIED" into Believing the "rulers", and "going along with the rulers" and even "promoting and exalting and mimicking" their fornicating "rulers".

Those things pertain to An Established "Government "HEAD''....(and those Subject to the government "HEAD"....the POLITICO representative.

Many "countries" ALSO have An Established
"Religious" Head. Some countries DO not.
The USA, has a POLITICO, established "HEAD", but NOT a "RELIGIOUS" established "HEAD".

The Established country called the Holy See, is also an Established City, called the Vatican.

It DOES HAVE an established Government HEAD, called a President.
His name is Giuseppe Bertello

It ALSO has an established RELIGIOUS HEAD, called a Pontiff.
His name is Jorge Mario Bergoglio

Jorge Mario Bergoglio ASSUMED the "pseudonym" "Francis", (of his choosing) and the "title" of "Pope", by Election, of qualified Catholic clergy.

IF, THAT governments President, and Their religious Pope engage in "said fornication" ...

That "governments" Head (President) and That "religious" Head (Pontif) would be SUBJECT TO Gods prescribed "punishment"...

The same as any other world government HEAD and religious HEAD.

Those such "kings of the earth" and "religious heads of the earth"....Are in a sense "reTITLED" (according to God)...as;

Beasts and False Prophets...

(They may not ALL agree on Specifics...but the fact is, they ALL have become of one accord in engaging in the "said fornication"...
Ie being called The BEAST, ie The False Prophet)

And to their "ENDING", God has prepared a place FOR the BEAST and FOR the FALSE PROPHET and FOR the Devil (and the devils who are with "Thee Devil/Satan", also in one accord.

Glory to God,
Merry Christmas,
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Related question what does it mean when they describe the beast as once was, now is not, and yet will come.
 

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Related question what does it mean when they describe the beast as once was, now is not, and yet will come.

Depends on who you ask. Revelations 17:8 is generally understood to refer back to Revelations 13:3. "One of the heads of the beast appeared to be fatally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world was astonished and followed the beast."

A knee jerk reaction would be to assume the Lord was telling those during the time Revelation was written that the beast was (i.e. it had already existed), now is not (currently no longer did), but will again (but would return again in the future). But that's an inference. Separated out from any specific time period, all it probably simply means is that it will exist, then not exist, but then exist again, because the wound to one of its heads (i.e. one of the nations that comprises it) will be restored from what appears to be a mortal wound, possibly nuclear devastation or some other catastrophe that makes the world think the nation has surely been destroyed forever.
 

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Depends on who you ask. Revelations 17:8 is generally understood to refer back to Revelations 13:3. "One of the heads of the beast appeared to be fatally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world was astonished and followed the beast."

A knee jerk reaction would be to assume the Lord was telling those during the time Revelation was written that the beast was (i.e. it already existed), now is not (currently no longer does), but will again (but will return again in the future). But that's an inference. Separated out from any specific time period, all it probably simply means is that it will exist, then not exist, but then exist again, because the wound to one of its heads (i.e. one of the nations that comprises it) will be restored from what appears to be a mortal wound, possibly nuclear devastation or some other catastrophe that makes the world think the nation has surely been destroyed forever.

Btw, my guess is that this "head" or nation is actually Syria, because there is an as-of-yet unfulfilled prophecy that says Damascus will be completely destroyed, and Damascus is still a fairly large and thriving city in the middle-east.
 

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Please answer i'm very scared

Ok, for starters there's nothing to be scared of.
Is the beast a revived roman empire

This again all depends on who you ask. We debate about it here all the time. My answer is no, it is not. I believe Rome will be the whore spoken of in Revelations, Chapters 17 and 18. But I believe the Beast will be the Caliphate that Islamic prophets have been proclaiming will eventually arise in the earth; an empire headed up by ten Muslim nations, one of which will be Syria. As I referred to someplace else recently, the ten most powerful Muslim nations in the earth today are currently anywhere from 95-100% Muslim, with most of them nearing 99%. Among these are Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Jordan, Turkey... I forget the list I provided, but they comprise much of the same territory the great enemy empires of history ruled over; those empires that conquered Israel in the past, as described in Daniel, Chapter 7.

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