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(thesuperjag;49811)
It is a heresy to say that God Days are the same as our human days. And this is a downright flatout lie.
I agree. God doesn't have days. He lives in eternity. But the earth was created on our days.
That is my doctrine, and I base it on scripture.
It is a heresy to say that God Days are the same as our human days. And this is a downright flatout lie.
I agree. God doesn't have days. He lives in eternity. But the earth was created on our days.
(Alistein;49817)
No. I don't believe He is.
Scripture says so.(Wakka;49818)
(thesuperjag;49811)
It is a heresy to say that God Days are the same as our human days. And this is a downright flatout lie.
I agree. God doesn't have days. He lives in eternity. But the earth was created on our days.That is my doctrine, and I base it on scripture.Interesting, just to remind you that I do not have a doctrine or a theory... according to Peter He does.
No. I don't believe He is.
Scripture says so.(Wakka;49818)
(thesuperjag;49811)
It is a heresy to say that God Days are the same as our human days. And this is a downright flatout lie.
I agree. God doesn't have days. He lives in eternity. But the earth was created on our days.That is my doctrine, and I base it on scripture.Interesting, just to remind you that I do not have a doctrine or a theory... according to Peter He does.
(thesuperjag;49821)
Scripture says so.Interesting, just to remind you that I do not have a doctrine or a theory... according to Peter He does.
I don't know that it says so. so I ask where and how? Peter was preaching God's word he didn't show any knowledge of such doctrine or theory as you say.
Scripture says so.Interesting, just to remind you that I do not have a doctrine or a theory... according to Peter He does.
I don't know that it says so. so I ask where and how? Peter was preaching God's word he didn't show any knowledge of such doctrine or theory as you say.
This makes sense. There is no certain date mentioned in the Bible reguarding the making of the world.
(Learning;50456)
This makes sense. There is no certain date mentioned in the Bible reguarding the making of the world.
There is if you go by the Genesis account, and the years given to us in the geneologies listed in the Bible, from Adam (first man), to Jesus. We may not be able to say with certainty the EXACT day, but pretty close. Though, Adam didn't have a calendar in his day
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This makes sense. There is no certain date mentioned in the Bible reguarding the making of the world.
There is if you go by the Genesis account, and the years given to us in the geneologies listed in the Bible, from Adam (first man), to Jesus. We may not be able to say with certainty the EXACT day, but pretty close. Though, Adam didn't have a calendar in his day
(treeoflife;50461)
There is if you go by the Genesis account, and the years given to us in the geneologies listed in the Bible, from Adam (first man), to Jesus. We may not be able to say with certainty the EXACT day, but pretty close. Though, Adam didn't have a calendar in his day
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I agree with treeoflife on this account the time counting from Adam is laid out for us its the understanding of how to put the divideing of time into context as the apostels understood itthat was lost to the church.The account of Creation formed the basis for the 6,000 years of the duration of the world, while the Sabbath corresponded to the seventh thousand, that of the Messiah. The calculation of 6,000 or 7,000 years is found according to Lagarde , as early as the Greek translators of the Pentateuch, whom he places about 280 B.C. and is given also in Enoch xxxiii. The idea of the Messianic interregnum was later incorporated in this form in Rev (ch. xx). When Jesus has conquered the serpent, representing the hostile anit-Christian world, the martyrs of the faith will be raised from the dead and will rule with him for 1,000 years as a band of kingly priests. This peroid is to be followed by the Last Judgment and the creation of a new heaven and a new earth. The concept of the Messianic kingdom, which is here described merely as a reign of peace, is elaborated more fully in the eschatological descriptions of apocalyptic literature (as in Papias), in the Epistle of Barnabas, and in the writings of Justin, Barnabas follows the Jewish teaching that the world is to exist unchanged for 6,000 years, and that at the beginning of the Sabbatical or seventh millennium the son of God will appear, After the middle of the second century of the common era these ideas fell into abeyanceUnfortunatatly much understanding of divideing of time(dispensations) was lost to the church
There is if you go by the Genesis account, and the years given to us in the geneologies listed in the Bible, from Adam (first man), to Jesus. We may not be able to say with certainty the EXACT day, but pretty close. Though, Adam didn't have a calendar in his day
I agree with treeoflife on this account the time counting from Adam is laid out for us its the understanding of how to put the divideing of time into context as the apostels understood itthat was lost to the church.The account of Creation formed the basis for the 6,000 years of the duration of the world, while the Sabbath corresponded to the seventh thousand, that of the Messiah. The calculation of 6,000 or 7,000 years is found according to Lagarde , as early as the Greek translators of the Pentateuch, whom he places about 280 B.C. and is given also in Enoch xxxiii. The idea of the Messianic interregnum was later incorporated in this form in Rev (ch. xx). When Jesus has conquered the serpent, representing the hostile anit-Christian world, the martyrs of the faith will be raised from the dead and will rule with him for 1,000 years as a band of kingly priests. This peroid is to be followed by the Last Judgment and the creation of a new heaven and a new earth. The concept of the Messianic kingdom, which is here described merely as a reign of peace, is elaborated more fully in the eschatological descriptions of apocalyptic literature (as in Papias), in the Epistle of Barnabas, and in the writings of Justin, Barnabas follows the Jewish teaching that the world is to exist unchanged for 6,000 years, and that at the beginning of the Sabbatical or seventh millennium the son of God will appear, After the middle of the second century of the common era these ideas fell into abeyanceUnfortunatatly much understanding of divideing of time(dispensations) was lost to the church
the bible clearly says 6days not 6000years all this 6000years comes from a verse that as been grossly misinterpreted.Exodus 20:9-11 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. In this verses God uses the word days again and refers it back to the creation days and it comes out as ordinary days in the end and not thousands of years. There is no proof of thousands of years and as I have said it undermines God's power to say He took so long in creating. More than anything I think enough evidence has been used to prove this in previous young earth posts.
I ask if a thousand years is a day to God how does God use it. Of what use is such a timescale to us Humans and where and when did God use it. We might as well say no one in this site is saved or that it would atleast take close to a thousand years for our salvation to occurr considering adam was created in a day. Also is it of any importance to pray and ask God for anything seeing one might be dead before such a prayer is ever answered if you consider tis ridiculous time scale. The thing is when you look carefully at this 1day=1000years you begin to see how faulty and silly it really. The idea bounds God to a time scale that doesn't work. Also why would God want to create 2 time scales one for us and another for Himself? I quote from my previous post again the following2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.(NIV)It says I day is as or like 1000years not 1 day =1000years. this verse came from Psalm 90:44For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.(KJV)For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.(NIV. Ask yourself is a day thesame as a watch in the night? Obviously not so how can it be talking about an exact time, itr's more like a metaphor. The bible says God inhabits eternity Isaiah 57:15For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:“ I dwell in the high and holy place, With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones. If God inhabits eternity then he cannot be bound by time but by saying a day to God is a 1000years you are binding him to time one that does not work. More over it is time that makes God very slow to Humans and there fore less appreciative. It would be sensible and much better to say 1 day to us is a 1000years to God as in that way all God's action however long they take is instant and amazing in our sight and therefore highly appreciated. This is just logic. God is not bound by time but we are thererefore if God is to work in our lives He is subject to our time only because we are.If he were to heal a person for example it would have to be done when the person is still alive and not dead. If God calls you for a specific purpose He is going to have to work within your length of days to bring that purpose to manifestation.Also you should read the whole chapter there is the indication that people like today were looking at the time and wondering why the Lord had not come. Peter emphasized that the Lord was Longsuffering or patient more so to following a specific time.The idea is that the Lord wanted every one to have enough time to make their choice.knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.God bless you all.
He uses it when he is talking about one of his days, for example its been almost 6 days 6000 years since Adam was born God will again rest on the 7th day (7000th year)he uses it in the book Rev. for example using God's time the hour of temptation is 5 months our time now read Rev 9:5 &9:10 how long is Satan locust army here??
Alistein;50500 said:I ask if a thousand years is a day to God how does God use it. Of what use is such a timescale to us Humans and where and when did God use it. We might as well say no one in this site is saved or that it would atleast take close to a thousand years for our salvation to occurr considering adam was created in a day. Also is it of any importance to pray and ask God for anything seeing one might be dead before such a prayer is ever answered if you consider tis ridiculous time scale..." Please do not LIMIT God with such petty statements. Saying God couldn't answer our prayers before we die no matter the time scale is down right insulting and ridiculous!!!!(The rest of this is not directed at you Alistein)I for one came into this with the pre-concieven notion that the earth was 6,000 years old because its what i have always been taught. But what Kriss is saying adds up and I believe her. You know why I believe her? Because she is supporting everything she say's with SCRIPTURE!! Take everything you hear and weigh it against scripture, if it doesn't add up than throw it out, but this goes with scripture. If you do not believe it then study more and pray for understanding and wisdom. But like it has been said, this is not a matter of salvation so if you for some reason do not care to understand than feel free to leave everything that has been said here behind. There are too many things in the bible to learn them all, and many that we will learn once we dwelve deeper into scripture will not match up with mens teachings that we have been force fed our entire lives, therefore we will most likely rebuke them. But I ask that all here try as hard as it may be, to be open to ALL ideas! Once recieved compare it to scripture and if it adds up accept it. But most importantly, PRAY!!! The Holy Spirit is the key to fully understanding scripture, without it we are lost.
(kriss;50502)
He uses it when he is talking about one of his days, for example its been almost 6 days 6000 years since Adam was born God will again rest on the 7th day (7000th year)he uses it in the book Rev. for example using God's time the hour of temptation is 5 months our time now read Rev 9:5 &9:10 how long is Satan locust army here??
There is no where it says God will rest again on the 7th day it say Christ will reign for a thousand years that sure doesn't sound like rest to me. Also we are already at the start of the 7th thousand year and God is not resting otherwise we might well start expecting God to start working again in the year 3001. I don't understand how you arrived at that time what's more it still doesn't work and why is God using His time when it is of no benefit to us and why would He use 2 time scales. The logic does not agree as it has been proved from scripture. God inhabits eternity.Isaiah 57:15 15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. He is not bound by time if he has His own days then that means He is bound by time think a little about that. also if 1000years=1day there is no way an hour could ever =5months do the math yourself in which case the timescale itself does not make sense. There is a reason a lot of old earth creationist have dropped this 1000yr=1day and adopted billions of years as it makes more sense than this. A day is a day Genesis even explains it by saying there was evening and morning each day no seasons was included5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Not first 1000yearsAnd God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
He uses it when he is talking about one of his days, for example its been almost 6 days 6000 years since Adam was born God will again rest on the 7th day (7000th year)he uses it in the book Rev. for example using God's time the hour of temptation is 5 months our time now read Rev 9:5 &9:10 how long is Satan locust army here??
There is no where it says God will rest again on the 7th day it say Christ will reign for a thousand years that sure doesn't sound like rest to me. Also we are already at the start of the 7th thousand year and God is not resting otherwise we might well start expecting God to start working again in the year 3001. I don't understand how you arrived at that time what's more it still doesn't work and why is God using His time when it is of no benefit to us and why would He use 2 time scales. The logic does not agree as it has been proved from scripture. God inhabits eternity.Isaiah 57:15 15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. He is not bound by time if he has His own days then that means He is bound by time think a little about that. also if 1000years=1day there is no way an hour could ever =5months do the math yourself in which case the timescale itself does not make sense. There is a reason a lot of old earth creationist have dropped this 1000yr=1day and adopted billions of years as it makes more sense than this. A day is a day Genesis even explains it by saying there was evening and morning each day no seasons was included5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Not first 1000yearsAnd God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
followerofchrist;50510][quote=Alistein;50500]I ask if a thousand years is a day to God how does God use it. Of what use is such a timescale to us Humans and where and when did God use it. We might as well say no one in this site is saved or that it would atleast take close to a thousand years for our salvation to occurr considering adam was created in a day. Also is it of any importance to pray and ask God for anything seeing one might be dead before such a prayer is ever answered if you consider tis ridiculous time scale..." Please do not LIMIT God with such petty statements. Saying God couldn said:
Like I said go through my posts before you judge them. This is the first time I have used Genesis. I have used other scriptures that have proven a literal six days. I take God first at His word and nothing goes with your notion . I had also at one time taught like you do now but just saw scripture ddidn't support it. If you have any questions on my arguements I will be glad to answer them according to my understanding in the Word.
(Alistein;50498)
the bible clearly says 6days not 6000years all this 6000years comes from a verse that as been grossly misinterpreted.Exodus 20:9-11 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. In this verses God uses the word days again and refers it back to the creation days and it comes out as ordinary days in the end and not thousands of years. There is no proof of thousands of years and as I have said it undermines God's power to say He took so long in creating. More than anything I think enough evidence has been used to prove this in previous young earth posts.
You are correct Alistein.When scriptures are as clear as this one is, we must be cautious of those who try to change it.Many thanksArnie M.
the bible clearly says 6days not 6000years all this 6000years comes from a verse that as been grossly misinterpreted.Exodus 20:9-11 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. In this verses God uses the word days again and refers it back to the creation days and it comes out as ordinary days in the end and not thousands of years. There is no proof of thousands of years and as I have said it undermines God's power to say He took so long in creating. More than anything I think enough evidence has been used to prove this in previous young earth posts.
You are correct Alistein.When scriptures are as clear as this one is, we must be cautious of those who try to change it.Many thanksArnie M.
(arniem;50525)
You are correct Alistein.When scriptures are as clear as this one is, we must be cautious of those who try to change it.Many thanksArnie M.
Blessings on you brother. Couldn't have said it better.
You are correct Alistein.When scriptures are as clear as this one is, we must be cautious of those who try to change it.Many thanksArnie M.
Blessings on you brother. Couldn't have said it better.
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